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white dragon
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Topic: Slavic nations Posted: 10-May-2005 at 10:15 |
i have wondered. what are all the dominately slavic nations. i know alot of eastern european countries are predominatley slavic, but what are all the slavic nations?
i apoligize if this is in the wrong forum
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Posted: 10-May-2005 at 12:17 |
Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia &
Montenegro, Fyrom, Albania, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Belarus & Russia (I
don't think I forgot anyone).
Hungary, Romania and Moldova aren't Slavic IMO. Neither the Baltics are.
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Posted: 10-May-2005 at 12:20 |
And Bosnia & Hercegovina !
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Posted: 10-May-2005 at 14:23 |
Ummm, were not slavs.
Nobody is too sure. but we are definately not slavs.
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Posted: 10-May-2005 at 18:23 |
Aye Albanians are not Slavic people. Bulgarians are slavicised Turks.
I dont know if they can be called a nation but there are Sorbs in Germany, descendats of the medieval Slavs who were living there and were conquered by Germans.
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Posted: 10-May-2005 at 18:38 |
Hungary is not slavic?... i know they decendands of Magyars but they have probably interbred with slavs havent they??
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Posted: 10-May-2005 at 18:51 |
well, actually the notion "slav" is linguistic. Try to compare the western slavs, the eastern slavs and the southern slavs from balkans. They even look different and have different customs, traditions and religions. The only thing they all share is is more or less similar language.
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Posted: 10-May-2005 at 19:14 |
Genetics have also shown that many of the "slav" nations of today in
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adriatic area of the balkans arent even of slavic descent. Some were as
low as %15 of slavik origin. However I am always cautious when
looking at DNA studies. Many of these studies though seem to be
overwhelming.
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Posted: 10-May-2005 at 20:09 |
Well, one member of AE posted this genetic map in the past. Altough im not really sure how to interpretate it. The way i was doing it the first time i saw it after short studies appeared to be completely wrong. This map was long debated on AE forums but i dont remember if there were any constructive results. But for sure the map shows some genetic differences.
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Posted: 10-May-2005 at 22:38 |
Yes, as well as some trends. For instance:
1. The highest concentration of hp 1 is in Ireland with huge majorities in rest of western Europe. The further east you go the less concentration there is of it. By the time you get to Germany it becomes a minority.
2. The highest concentration of hp 3 is in the northern Indian subcontinent with majorities going into central Asia and into eastern Europe but with considerable outliers in Scandinavia and Britain.
3. The highest concentration of hp 2 is in eastern Scandinavia, which as you go south into the Continent dissipates throughout Europe with "island" majorities in the Ukraine and the western Balkans. We find a sizable proportion of this haplotype among Anatolian and trans-Caucasian peoples but again find large proportions among peoples of the northern India subcontinent.
4. The highest concentration of hp 16 is in the easternmost Scandinavia with majority concentrations in the Baltics and northeastern Europe.
5. The highest concentration of hp 9 is the Middle East with sizable concentrations in northern Africa and into the northern Indian subcontinent. Sizable European frequencies are in Greece and Italy with much dissipation further north.
6. The highest concentration of hp 21 is in northern Africa with sizable concentrations in the middle east and Greece, with dissipations throughout most of Europe and the rest of western Asia.
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Posted: 11-May-2005 at 09:24 |
Originally posted by Mosquito
Aye Albanians are not Slavic people. Bulgarians are slavicised Turks. |
Bulgaria was created as an union between 7 slav tribes and Bulgars! Citation: "...Today we are almost sure that Bulgars are not Turks or Mongols, they belong to the Iranian tribes and their motherland is Balhara - northern Afghanistan..." Professor Bojidar Dimitrov, director of National Historical Museum of Bulgaria
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Posted: 11-May-2005 at 10:44 |
Originally posted by tzar
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Aye Albanians are not Slavic people. Bulgarians are slavicised Turks. |
Bulgaria was created as an union between 7 slav tribes and Bulgars! Citation: "...Today we are almost sure that Bulgars are not Turks or Mongols, they belong to the Iranian tribes and their motherland is Balhara - northern Afghanistan..." Professor Bojidar Dimitrov, director of National Historical Museum of Bulgaria
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Com'on, all Bulgars, Avars, Ongars were originally Turkic tribes from western steppes, today's Kazakhstan. But today, Bulgarians can be considered as Slavic.
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Posted: 11-May-2005 at 11:30 |
Actually on this genetic map Greeks, Bulgarians and Turks look quite similar. But in fact bulgarians look even more similar to yugoslavians.
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Posted: 11-May-2005 at 11:46 |
Originally posted by Mosquito
Actually on this genetic map Greeks, Bulgarians and Turks look quite similar. But in fact bulgarians look even more similar to yugoslavians. |
Bulgarians dont look that similar to us in this map. They look quite similar to Slavs.
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Posted: 11-May-2005 at 13:04 |
Which is backed up/explains the change of a former (Turkic/Iranic?) language to Slavic.
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Posted: 11-May-2005 at 14:02 |
Originally posted by Oguzoglu
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Actually on this genetic map Greeks, Bulgarians and Turks look quite similar. But in fact bulgarians look even more similar to yugoslavians. |
Bulgarians dont look that similar to us in this map. They look quite similar to Slavs. |
I wouldnt generalise that much. From all the slavs they look similar only to Yugoslavians. Please notice that even Slovenians who are close to them are different. And notice that most of slavic nations on the map got a lot of HG 3 while Bulgarians and Yugoslavians not. Pity that the authors of this map didnt check Croats and Albanians.
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Posted: 11-May-2005 at 14:30 |
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I dont know if they can be called a nation but there are Sorbs in Germany, descendats of the medieval Slavs who were living there and were conquered by Germans. |
in fact Charlemagne conquered and subjugated those western Slav tribes, Germans just "inherited" these dominions.
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Posted: 11-May-2005 at 14:35 |
Originally posted by Temujin
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I dont know if they can be called a nation but there are Sorbs in Germany, descendats of the medieval Slavs who were living there and were conquered by Germans. |
in fact Charlemagne conquered and subjugated those western Slav tribes, Germans just "inherited" these dominions.
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If i remember well in the end of 10th century and in begining of 11 century both Germans and Poles were fighting against some independent slavic tribes on the territory of this what was known as eastern Germany.
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Posted: 11-May-2005 at 14:46 |
yes, apparently eastern Franks/Germans lost control over most Slavic tribes before Otto I. and most tribes were not completely under German sovereignity until the late 12th/ early13th century or so...there were also regular uprisings of one or more tribes at some points.
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Posted: 13-May-2005 at 00:56 |
Originally posted by Oguzoglu
Originally posted by tzar
Originally posted by Mosquito
Aye Albanians are not Slavic people. Bulgarians are slavicised Turks. |
Bulgaria was created as an union between 7 slav tribes and Bulgars! Citation: "...Today we are almost sure that Bulgars are not Turks or Mongols, they belong to the Iranian tribes and their motherland is Balhara - northern Afghanistan..." Professor Bojidar Dimitrov, director of National Historical Museum of Bulgaria
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Com'on, all Bulgars, Avars, Ongars were originally Turkic tribes from western steppes, today's Kazakhstan. But today, Bulgarians can be considered as Slavic.
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Even if they were not from Balhara they were for sure completely different from those others listed. The proof of this is that they probably always fought them when ever in contact.
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