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Cent
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Topic: Discrimination by Iran Posted: 02-Aug-2006 at 16:13 |
Me and my family were at the Iranian embassy to get identity cards. Then the lady we are talking to said that we need to change our names. They're not "iranian" or "muslim" enough. My sister's name is "Hero", a very popular, Kurdish name. How can't that be in they're dictionary of names? :S
It's really discriminating that we can't have our Kurdish names in our identity cards. My father had to change his name from Alan to Muhammed. :(
This is to all of you who thinks that Kurdish names are totally free to have in Iran :(
I've changed mine to "Aso".
Why the need to change name? Aren't our names islamic enough? :S
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ArmenianSurvival
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Posted: 02-Aug-2006 at 16:52 |
You should have smacked that lady across the face.
Originally posted by Cent
My father had to change his name from Alan to Muhammed. :( |
Thats wierd, how come Armenians in Iran don't
have to change their names? (every Armenian I've met from Iran has an
Armenian name).
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Posted: 02-Aug-2006 at 17:08 |
I am sorry for you, Cent. Ones name is part of ones identity and person, and being forced to change it must be though.
But you did get to choose your own name... that's interesting....
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Posted: 02-Aug-2006 at 18:12 |
Ummm... Maybe there is something wrong with that woman. Why did e change it to Muhamad? Why not a non-ISlamic name? I know for a fact you can use non Islamic names and there are millions that are both Kurdish and persian like Bahman, Bahram, Fereydoon etc, my name is Kurdish and Persian (slightly different meanings) and was banned about 10 years ago for being too violent, but I was not requried to change it to get my passport.
Anyway, I was speaking to my uncle tonight who is over from Iran, I talked about Kordestan, since he had just been to Mariban, he said there is an unprecedented level of investement in infrastructure and economic development there and more and more autonomy is being granted little by little. A waste of time money if you ask me. I am of the opinion that we should just let that area join up with Northern Iraq, we have no need for it.
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Posted: 02-Aug-2006 at 19:31 |
Cent,
I am 100% behind you on this one. Forcing someone to change their name is a horrible crime, and as a person whose name has also been changed in the past I can only sympathise with you.
But as far as I know this practice has not occured in Turkey, or at least is not occurring at the moment. The only problem as I understand it is with using the letters "w", "q", and "x" which are absent fromt the Turkish alphabet, am I wrong?
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Posted: 02-Aug-2006 at 19:38 |
Originally posted by ArmenianSurvival
Thats wierd, how come Armenians in Iran don't
have to change their names? (every Armenian I've met from Iran has an
Armenian name).
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During the Revival Process in Bulgaria, when all Bulgarian citizens were obliged to have Bulgarian names, and the names of more than a million Turks were changed, Armenians were somehow exempt as well. My father vividly recalls how an Armenian member of parliament was expressing his support for the renaming campaign against the Turks, even though he had an Armenian name. When he was confronted by one of the more progressive parliamentarians and asked whether he would also agree to have a Bulgarian name as well, he replied by saying that his name had an old history and aristocratic origins, so it should not be changed.
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Posted: 02-Aug-2006 at 22:05 |
Originally posted by Cent
Me and my family were at the Iranian embassy to get identity cards. Then the lady we are talking to said that we need to change our names. They're not "iranian" or "muslim" enough. My sister's name is "Hero", a very popular, Kurdish name. How can't that be in they're dictionary of names? :S
It's really discriminating that we can't have our Kurdish names in our identity cards. My father had to change his name from Alan to Muhammed. :(
This is to all of you who thinks that Kurdish names are totally free to have in Iran:(
I've changed mine to "Aso".
Why the need to change name? Aren't our names islamic enough? :S
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Any particular reason why u moved to Iran in the first place? Maybe you folks got a job over there or somethin?
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Posted: 02-Aug-2006 at 23:17 |
Originally posted by bg_turk
During the Revival Process in Bulgaria, when all Bulgarian citizens
were obliged to have Bulgarian names, and the names of more than a
million Turks were changed, Armenians were somehow exempt as well.
My
father vividly recalls how an Armenian member of parliament was
expressing his support for the renaming campaign against the Turks,
even though he had an Armenian name. When he was confronted by one of
the more progressive parliamentarians and asked whether he would also
agree to have a Bulgarian name as well, he replied by saying that his
name had an old history and aristocratic origins, so it should not be
changed. |
Thats just one guy's opinion, and a stupid one at that. But you
have to remember, Turkey did the same thing to Armenians in their
country way before this, so his opinion of Turks must have been really
low. Thats not an excuse for his actions, but thats probably why he did
it. I just don't think he would risk to go against the popular tide at
the time just to stand up for the Turks.
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Posted: 02-Aug-2006 at 23:45 |
Changing your name to conform with the local alphabet and customs, I
believe, is fine. For example, if Petar Aleksic moves to Houston I
think it would make sense for him to change his name to Peter Aleksich.
If Aysa al'Zoghby moves to Sarajevo, it wouldn't bother me if she was required to change her name to Ajsa Zoghbj.
However, changing Alan to Mohammed is a bit much even if he did it willingly, being forced to do it is hideous.
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Posted: 03-Aug-2006 at 02:52 |
Yea Muhamad was a bad choice. What about Ardalan? That is a popular name.
And why did you pick Aso? I have never heard that before.
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Posted: 03-Aug-2006 at 06:05 |
My father recomended it. Aso is short and easy.
Ponce, we're going to visit our relatives.
he chose Muhammed, so he wouldn't have any problems in Iran.
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Posted: 03-Aug-2006 at 06:41 |
Stupid question perhaps, but if a Swede would come to that lady, would se make him change his name to muhammed as well?
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Posted: 03-Aug-2006 at 07:07 |
Nah, doubt that. We are seeking identity cards. A swede don't need that I think.
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Posted: 04-Aug-2006 at 06:37 |
Iraqs kurdistan is much freeier or however you say it. Why go to the iranian side?
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Posted: 04-Aug-2006 at 10:10 |
Originally posted by Cent
My father recomended it. Aso is short and easy.
Ponce, we're going to visit our relatives.
he chose Muhammed, so he wouldn't have any problems in Iran. |
Well, even if your story wasn't true I think writing every deatil in a forum on the net is pretty intelligent of you.
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Posted: 04-Aug-2006 at 13:04 |
Yeah, Yekta, I think I'll have the Iranian goverment after me now...
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Posted: 04-Aug-2006 at 16:13 |
cent what is sanandaj famous for?
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Posted: 04-Aug-2006 at 16:34 |
Nationalism? Uprisings? Demonstrations?
My family is already watched by the regime. They've tapped our phones over there. They wont be able to do anything.
I don't think that the regime will check this website, lol.
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Posted: 04-Aug-2006 at 20:06 |
Takhte nard sazi, utterly shocked u have never heard of it. and I would appreciate you advising of the last "uprising" in Sena.
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Posted: 04-Aug-2006 at 21:33 |
very very sad and dispecable, however, i have cousins with non-islamic names.... they have no problems...
maybe its because your family is under suspicion by the government like you said earlier?
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