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Vahan Kurkjian's intended audience was thus the Armenian community in the United States: he has done them a great service, as well as to anyone seeking comprehensive basic information on Armenian history; and indeed, when he wrote, there seems to have been no other general history of Armenia in English: at any rate I know of none other in the public domain that could therefore be presented online. Caution, though, is unfortunately in order. The author is clearly not a professional historian, and his book is not a scholarly work; rather, a general text based on ill assimilated (and now dated) secondary works. To boot, the book is both disordered and not well written, and in spots very poorly; a good copy editor would have much improved it. This short list of additional resources may therefore also prove useful:
Copyright, ProofreadingA History of Armenia by Vahan M. Kurkjian was first published in 1958 by the Armenian General Benevolent Union of America. The text, actually taken here from the 1964 reprinting, is in the public domain since the 1958 copyright was not renewed at the appropriate time (1985‑1986), and the work has therefore fallen into the public domain. (Details here on the copyright law involved.) As usual, I retyped the text rather than scanning it: not only to minimize errors prior to proofreading, but as an opportunity for me to become intimately familiar with the work, an exercise which I heartily recommend. (Well-meaning attempts to get me to scan text, if successful, would merely turn me into some kind of machine: gambit declined.) In the table of contents below, the chapters and sections are given on blue backgrounds, indicating that they have been thoroughly proofread; any red backgrounds would indicate that my transcription had not yet been proofread. The header bar at the top of each webpage will remind you with the same color scheme. In any case, should you spot an error, please do report it, of course. The book contains 65 engravings and 28 photographs. Some of them relate directly to the text, others illustrate it only loosely; I've reproduced all of them. Since a Web transcription is not bound by the same constraints as a print edition (no need to fit in a certain slot on a printed page, for example), occasionally they're not at quite the same point in the text. The original page location is given in the name of the image. Further details on the technical aspects of the site layout follow the Table of Contents below. Table of Contents
Spelling and Typographical ConventionsThe 1964 printing of Kurkjian's book was very poorly proofread. I've made some few corrections: not as many as I would have liked to make — thus avoiding the slippery slope to rewriting the whole book! — but I repaired obvious errors, as well as the most distracting mispunctuations, marking with visible bullet-promptsº those worthy of note, and flagging the others in the sourcecode. Even more grating, to me, was the author's consistent capitalization of the centuries (". . . in the Eleventh Century . . ."): I tacitly restored normal usage thruout. If all these errors and quirks are finally of very little importance, correcting them does make the text more readable, and making the corrections visible serves as a reminder to the careful reader that the text as a whole is not as reliable as it could be. There also seem to be, however, a number of typographical errors in Armenian words and proper nouns, correcting which is both more important and much harder to do. Well aware of my own limitations, I've made only those very few corrections where I felt on safe ground. In addition to actual errors, variant spellings are a particular problem in this book. Kurkjian did not reduce his multiple sources to a single consistent system, and we thus have a frequently bewildering panoply of spellings for the same place or person, often two or even three different spellings in a single paragraph. Some of these variants are clearly due to his reliance on secondary sources in languages other than English (in particular, French); others we owe to dozens of local languages and transcription systems over several millennia of history; to different forms in Western, Eastern, and Classical Armenian; and finally others again, here too, are outright typographical errors. Yet I've refrained altogether from any attempt at homogenizing the text, not only because I'm the wrong person to be deciding on the transcription of Armenian and other Asiatic languages, but also because it will actually be useful to leave multiple spellings to be picked up by the search engines. Very occasionally, where one would like to see a standard English spelling — as in Parthian, Persian and Greek names — I've added a footnote. Notes and LinksIn addition to the author's notes, here and there I've added some of my own, mostly by way of clarification, or steering the reader to other online resources. Where a major online resource is particularly germane to an entire chapter, you'll find a link to it in the footer bar at the bottom of that page. I am happy to acknowledge the expert help of my friend Jona Lendering, webmaster of Livius and author of several books on the ancient Middle East, in harmonizing some of Kurkjian's statements and identifications with the current scholarly consensus: at Jona's request, I haven't marked each of his individual contributions, but in general the less it looks like I could have written something, the less I probably did. DisclaimersI am no Armenian expert, have never been to Armenia, have no Armenian ancestry that I know of, and take only the following very general positions on Armenian questions: I have long been aware of the important historical role of Armenia and her people in Antiquity and in early Christianity, I am still horrified by the Turkish genocide of 1915 (and outraged by disingenuous claims that it didn't happen), and I feel it's a good thing for Armenia to exist as a sovereign nation. I also have very little taste for polemics, and in general feel that there are many sides to most questions: a reminder therefore that this is just a transcription, and that the author speaks for himself. Specifically I take no sides on any of the theological points raised, on Nestorianism, Chalcedon, Monophysitism, or the Uniate movement; nor on the relative merits or otherwise of the Armenian Church, the Roman Catholic Church, and the Orthodox Churches (although I do fault their disunity for allowing the Mohammedan takeover of the Christian homeland of the Near East); nor on the identification of various ethnic or linguistic entities — i.e., the various Greek and Macedonian questions, the Indo-European question, etc. "Albania" in this book refers to the region known as such in Antiquity, a Transcaucasian area completely unrelated to the modern country by the same name: if you are looking for information on the ancient history of the area on the Mediterranean coast now called Albania, you should be looking for "Epirus". Similarly, "Iberia" in this book refers to the Transcaucasian area roughly corresponding to the modern Republic of Georgia, and never to what is now Spain and Portugal (also known as Iberia in Antiquity, mind you). The icon I use to indicate this subsite is a colorized detail of a motif associated with the Artaxiad dynasty of Armenia, that appears on the tiara of Tigran the Great as depicted on a coin of his reproduced on p74. This same eight-pointed star flanked by birds also appears on the tiara of Artavazd II on p85.
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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"
S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'
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KnightsofHonor
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Hi Some mighty work on Armenia there. For the Georgians, Robert Bedrosian should be the an interesting addition, as I am only focusing on my home country for now and regional writers are allways welcomed, no matter from which country. I will later expand to entire Caucasus, mainly Georgia and Armenia in the beginning and the Northern Caucasus as this seems more interesting for me in accordance to the time period. Thank you for the work
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Centrix Vigilis
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Not my work..it is from Mr. Thayer's website.... but I am pleased to bring it to you ntl. I look forward to your updates. stay well.
CV
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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"
S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'
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Sarmata
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Polish Saber, called "Ormianka"(Armenian)
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KnightsofHonor
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Most likely influenced by either mid-eastern or Caucasian weapon design. Peoples from the regions all had similar swords. Georgian weapon smith tradition provides totaly different look, more streight swords, sabres and kinjals ( pictures 8-10 ) rather than scimitars actually. Due to great influence, the scimitar was also adopted as they were useful addition. Many these weapons were also simple booty and given to the light folk in case of war.
However Georgian swords were of very high quality allready since 300 BC and favoured both by Greeks and Persians, especialy Persians in middle age. The folding and alloy techniques used for production were similar to that of Japanese, Chinese and Indian and made up a good equivalent to these swords. They exceeded the usual durability by far and ornated with silver embellishments, were were popular to both friend and enemy. Ornated swords allways had different pattern to be identified with their regional smith communities, as an aimed commercial. Swords in Georgia were also traditionaly used for rituals. The main source of swords for travellers and inhabitants was allways Tbilisi. Even the peoples from the mountainous regions of Georgia who themselves produced notable equipment, travelled down for tools and specificaly swords when they were to buy weapons. Characteristics were especialy the diversity of how the single weapon smith communities and enclaves formed their swords. It could be rigid, hard and very sharp but stiff, or flexibly elastic, light and even sharper. Yet still it had much more durability than sb can think of when seeing it the first time or compared with European swords. So far, I would choose allways a Georgian weapon, no matter what situation. Speer, axe or sword. The metal processing was simply far superior and handled by people who had centuries if not millenias more experience than Europeans could have had by that time. Edited by KnightsofHonor - 02-May-2012 at 12:17
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Irakli2000
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Georgians and chechens are only caucasian people in caucasus. Armenians are Indo-Europeans and Azeris are altaic turkish people. Georgia became a chrystian 50 years earlier than Armenia and Georgian Alphabet made Georgian king Pharnavaz, not armenian Mashdots.
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Ollios
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Language and Genetic are different issues
I have known Armenian perspective
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Ellerin Kabe'si var,
Benim Kabem İnsandır
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red clay
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Administrator Tomato Master Emeritus Joined: 14-Jan-2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 10226
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The Falcons didn't have a very good year either.
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"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
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KnightsofHonor
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Guys guys, calm down. Georgians and Armenians are friends and culturaly very close. We had some disputes in the past and not even long ago but we are still allies and friends and it should remain so.
About Bagrationi. I'm Georgian and honestly don't know what to think about that. I once even read somewhere that the Bagrationis may originate from far far away, probably Israel. If the first one was realy an Armenian, than he was Armenians. But in the end it really doesn't matter a bit. Because wherever they came from some thousand years ago, they were Georgian when they lived and ruled over Georgia because they lived as Georgians and fought for their homeland and helped it to achieve great progress over the centuries and made us the main power of the region for some periods. Even powerful enough to have vassal states further to the north and contest muslim controlled territories and even Byzantian held lands. To understand such disputes. Armenians must accept that Georgians certainly will have a problems with the fact that Georgian research and scripts from middle age are simply being ignored and denied by Armenian and some other historians ( who basicaly base their claims on Armenian sources ) because from our POV it is very one sided. Back then nationalism as is today was not existent as loyality was mostly based on belief and other or less ideological factors. Our language is one of the oldest and most unique language trees in the world and you can imagine why it is difficult to believe that an alphabet to that language occured not earlier than 430 AD. But again, in the end our cultures are very close anyway, the first humanoids settled into Caucasus the same time, originating from the same far away place
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