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Topic: Who was the kennewick man? Posted: 02-Mar-2005 at 19:08 |
Who was the Kennewick man?
Is he related to the modern tribes of Oregon and Washington states?
Was he Caucasian like many scientists believe and if so how did he arrive in the Americas?
Why is this so controversal?
Kennewick is a small city in Eastern Washington!
http://www.kennewick-man.com/
http://www.cr.nps.gov/aad/kennewick/
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Posted: 02-Mar-2005 at 21:56 |
I dont think it should be the big deal its been made out to be, theres plenty of very viable theories that in addition to Asian immigration through the Bering Straight to populate there were people who durin gthe ice age moved from northern Europe along the edge of the ice or in boats, surviving on cod and seals, so a caucasian infusion is possible. It also explains the inconsistencies with dating that soem east coast native american sites have.
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Posted: 02-Mar-2005 at 23:51 |
Picard, that what you get for messing with the space-time continiuum!
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Posted: 03-Mar-2005 at 02:52 |
LOOOL so true!
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Posted: 03-Mar-2005 at 13:06 |
On a serious, AFAIK anthropologists say his is skull is like that of a
caucasian in the techical sense (aka caucasoid), which includes many
Middle eastern types, Indians (from India), some central Asians, and
then some, so immediatly invoking the popularaised US-centric notion of
caucasian = only Europeans can be misleading.
Unless of course the anthroplogists who studied the remains specificly narrowed it down to Europeand type Caucies.
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Posted: 07-Mar-2005 at 17:24 |
I am from Richland which is just a eight minute drive from Kennewick.
There was some controversy over Kennewick man with the Umatilla tribes,
due to scientists claiming he was caucasioid. And they are still having
legal disputes on whether to rebury Kennewick man, or allow the
scientist to keep studying the remains.
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Posted: 07-Mar-2005 at 20:42 |
I live in Cheney near Spokane!! I am from Walla Walla, WA. The Tri-cities are so barren and desert-like. I live the river.
Check the links above for the answer!!
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Posted: 28-Mar-2005 at 18:51 |
Ben Kinglsey is half Indian, but the wrong sort of Indian
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Posted: 27-Sep-2011 at 17:49 |
Anything new on the Kennewick man? I have not heard a thing about it for a while. I use to get emails from the Tri-city Herald.
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Posted: 27-Sep-2011 at 19:00 |
Recently red-haired mummies were discovered in China. It's likely some whites did head east, although not in large numbers
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Posted: 28-Sep-2011 at 17:58 |
Originally posted by Nick1986
Recently red-haired mummies were discovered in China. It's likely some whites did head east, although not in large numbers |
Is that the Tarim Basin Mummies? I have not kept up with that for a while.
Maybe Patrick steward went back in time-LOL !
Edited by eaglecap - 28-Sep-2011 at 18:04
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Posted: 28-Sep-2011 at 18:07 |
Las I heard and it's a while ago.
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Posted: 29-Sep-2011 at 19:54 |
Originally posted by Nick1986
Originally posted by eaglecap
Originally posted by Nick1986
Recently red-haired mummies were discovered in China. It's likely some whites did head east, although not in large numbers |
Is that the Tarim Basin Mummies? I have not kept up with that for a while.
Maybe Patrick steward went back in time-LOL !
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Impossible. He's always been bald |
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Posted: 21-Jul-2012 at 23:21 |
Most of the controversy surrounding the Kennewick man stems from the fact the local Indian population claims that he is an ancestor. Even though carbon dating and other forms of more esoteric origin show his death occurred a couple of thousand years before their apparent haplogroup even remotely showed up. So he is currently mired in lawsuits between all parties involved. It is all a power grab for control of the remains. I would direct you to this Wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man
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Posted: 22-Jul-2012 at 09:50 |
Originally posted by ds_baker
Most of the controversy surrounding the Kennewick man stems from the fact the local Indian population claims that he is an ancestor. Even though carbon dating and other forms of more esoteric origin show his death occurred a couple of thousand years before their apparent haplogroup even remotely showed up. So he is currently mired in lawsuits between all parties involved. It is all a power grab for control of the remains. I would direct you to this Wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man |
It gets more bizzare than this. The remains are still sitting in storage. The research having been done, the bones sit. They have yet to rebury them. The law suits have long been settled, but there they sit.-
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Posted: 22-Jul-2012 at 16:33 |
@ Red Clay. I was a resident of Nevada. Up near Lovelock, NV there was another body found back in the early '90's. Unlike Kennewick Man, this man was found rolled up in a handwoven blanket laying underneath a rock out crop. When hikers discovered him, they thought he was recently dead. Come to find out he had been dead almost 9,000 years. Pretty amazing no one had disturbed the body or animals had destroyed it. The Lovelock discovery is near an earlier discovery from the 1940's at a place called Spirit Cave. What makes the Lovelock Mummy so very unique is that his clothes and other textiles were found preserved with him. He is not just a collection bones. All primitive or early societies have what I call fingerprint technologies. One of which is the tying of knots. Oddly enough once a series of successful knots are established, rarely does that society then change to another. Weaving of material can only be done so many ways, ie looms on frames, foot looms, spinning of material into yarn for the weavers. Then there is the use of other organic matter, bone beads, porcupine spines and other embellishments. -But the tying off of those threads remain the same. Why is this important in regards to this thread? Kennewick Man's DNA and his bone structure points to an indigenous people of Japan called the Ainu. But that is the only clues, he possess. But the Lovelock Mummy not only has Ainu DNA but his textile knots are almost direct copies of ancient Ainu Textiles found in Northern Japan.
And yet again, the local Indian peoples-The Western Band of Shoshone and Paiute Indian nations have laid claim to him and everything has been mired in lawsuits. I believe the body currently resides at the University of Nevada Reno.
On a personal note-This does not affirm the idea of the Clovis Migratory Pattern, as the only route to the Americas. But rather what it does tell me is that Boats and Sailing technology is much older than anyone would like to talk about.
All my best!
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