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Centrix Vigilis
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Topic: Mons Graupius Posted: 30-Aug-2011 at 17:03 |
Poor old battlefield..they still don't know where.
Mystery over Roman battle may rule it out from list
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Posted: 30-Aug-2011 at 22:33 |
Well they've totally failed to find every other Roman battlefield in the UK.
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Centrix Vigilis
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Posted: 30-Aug-2011 at 22:36 |
yup sad ntl tis true.
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Posted: 31-Aug-2011 at 17:07 |
I doubt they'll ever find it -I think Tacitus was bigging-up his father-in-law and exaggerated a skirmish into a major engagement.
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Posted: 31-Aug-2011 at 19:29 |
According to Tacitus only the auxiliary cavalry were involved in the battle. Perhaps this was a small-scale skirmish, explaining why the professional legionaries were kept in reserve
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Centrix Vigilis
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Posted: 31-Aug-2011 at 22:01 |
That and the fact that the road apples left behind, by the horses, have long gone.
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Posted: 01-Sep-2011 at 19:07 |
Could the battle have occurred in the Grampians? As Chookie will tell you, the Highlands have been used as a hiding place by rebels and outlaws from the time of William Wallace well into the 18th century
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Posted: 01-Sep-2011 at 23:11 |
I'll bite...but where is the evidence....what we have is damn near non-exsistence.
Do we go with other besides Tacitus? then who. Old scholars such as Bede et.al? Don't recall them commenting. What's his name who wrote about Arthur as a Roman Duke etc....sketchy.
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Posted: 02-Sep-2011 at 05:58 |
Originally posted by Chookie
I doubt they'll ever find it -I think Tacitus was bigging-up his father-in-law and exaggerated a skirmish into a major engagement.
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The Caledonians beat Severus without giving him a battle. So perhaps you're right.
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Posted: 16-Oct-2011 at 11:27 |
we still dont know were it took place because we dont know for sure, how far the romans really got in scotland i live in the far north of scotland, and we have found roman coins for years, according to history books romans never got anywhere near my town
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Posted: 16-Oct-2011 at 11:53 |
At's a fair point but objects can be carried. A long ways obviously. So what was below the wall carried and left on the Hebrides or Orkney for example is not necessarily proof of identification of means or motive as to how it got there.
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Posted: 16-Oct-2011 at 12:37 |
thats true, but as far as the Hebrides and Orkney ceaser himself said some of his soldiers sailed round the island the debate seems to be how far inland they got ie scottish highlands we might never know
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Posted: 16-Oct-2011 at 12:43 |
Agreed but the most obvious answer was they were carried inland...or left by those who carried them. Ancient identification and comparison and contrast of modern terrain also remains a connecting problem.
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Posted: 16-Oct-2011 at 19:41 |
It might also depend on the number of coins found. If it's just a few, chances are they were scavenged or traded by individuals. If it's a large hoard, the coins are more likely to be war booty, especially if there's little native currency buried with them
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Posted: 17-Oct-2011 at 12:16 |
many coins have been found over the years the big problem its a graveyard .grave diggers keep finding them local historians think it used to be a market place its high on a hill
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Posted: 17-Oct-2011 at 16:40 |
Originally posted by claymore
thats true, but as far as the Hebrides and Orkneyceaser himself said some of his soldiers sailed round the island |
No he didn't. That claim was made by Tacitus in his "Agricola". Caesar had been dead for over a hundred years at the time...... The Roman hoards found in Orkney are probably bribes / tributes paid to local kings during that voyage.
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Posted: 17-Oct-2011 at 19:10 |
Didn't Caesar become a title as well as a surname? I thought Roman emperors were referred to as Caesar long after Nero's death. There are also modern rulers named after Caesar: the German Kaiser and Russian Tsar
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Posted: 18-Oct-2011 at 15:14 |
Yes it was, but I was specifically referring to Julius Caesar. As far as I've seen Vespasian, who was Emperor at the time didn't use the word at all....
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Posted: 18-Oct-2011 at 16:32 |
chookie are you sure Caesers men didnt sail round nothern parts of scotland. im not saying they landed anywhere, but would have sense for a future invasion
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Posted: 18-Oct-2011 at 20:19 |
A very good point. The Romans could well have sailed around the coast, though their fear of the sea and preference for land-routes makes this unlikely
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