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Topic: to whom should Constantinople/Istanbul belong to Posted: 19-Feb-2008 at 02:16 |
Originally posted by xristar
Not because we can't, but as said already, there is no point in it. |
Again, you forgot to mention how Greece can take Istanbul from Turkey.
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Posted: 19-Feb-2008 at 02:18 |
i did... watch the very informative video
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Posted: 19-Feb-2008 at 02:23 |
We will cross the river, we will break your front, we will encircle you. Then we'll proceed to Constantinople. We'll enter the city and rise the Greek flag. We'll also put some cross on Agia Sofia. Satisfied?
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Posted: 19-Feb-2008 at 02:28 |
No. I thought this subforum was for semi-serious discussion, not totally irrelevant nonsense.
By the way, what's with all these videos in YouTube? Isn't that illegal?
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Posted: 19-Feb-2008 at 03:47 |
Its only illegal if you "think" what you are doing is illegal
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Posted: 19-Feb-2008 at 08:55 |
What should be illegal?
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Posted: 19-Feb-2008 at 16:07 |
Originally posted by xristar
We will cross the river, we will break your front, we will encircle you. Then we'll proceed to Constantinople. We'll enter the city and rise the Greek flag. We'll also put some cross on Agia Sofia. Satisfied?
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Posted: 19-Feb-2008 at 16:08 |
Originally posted by Constantine XI
Being flippant here. Let's take Megara from Greece and control of the
Ithsmus canal, and Constantinople from Turkey with control of the
Bosphorus and Hellespont and join them back together. Two city states
with a common history, and today centred on control of naval
passageways, reunited.
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I suggested that earlier in the thread too
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Posted: 19-Feb-2008 at 16:47 |
Originally posted by es_bih
Originally posted by Brit 456767
Not the USA, they can't rule their own country freely. |
And the award for most asinine comment goes to...
We rule our own country freely, how un-free is our ruling of the USA exactly. We have an electoral process, a parliament, a president, every state has individual rights to determine state policy, etc...
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And Guantanamo Bay is?????
Then there is the fact you have capital punishment, different laws in different places...
Also Britain is neutral, the House of Commons isn't.
And that just about sums up British Politics...
Edited by Brit 456767 - 19-Feb-2008 at 16:49
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Posted: 19-Feb-2008 at 16:56 |
Gog and Magog will come and take every piece of Costanbul
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Posted: 19-Feb-2008 at 17:51 |
Originally posted by xristar
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will cross the river, we will break your front, we will encircle you.
Then we'll proceed to Constantinople. We'll enter the city and rise the
Greek flag. We'll also put some cross on Agia Sofia. Satisfied?
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I mean, what's the answer to this question supposed to be?
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Posted: 19-Feb-2008 at 18:05 |
Originally posted by Brit 456767
Originally posted by es_bih
Originally posted by Brit 456767
Not the USA, they can't rule their own country freely. |
And the award for most asinine comment goes to...
We rule our own country freely, how un-free is our ruling of the USA exactly. We have an electoral process, a parliament, a president, every state has individual rights to determine state policy, etc...
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And Guantanamo Bay is?????
Then there is the fact you have capital punishment, different laws in different places...
Also Britain is neutral, the House of Commons isn't.
And that just about sums up British Politics... |
Don't preach to me on morality while excluding Britain's notorious history of consistent repression throughout its colonial enterprise. Guanatamo Bay is outside of the US, and is not representative of internal US dynamics. Last time I checked I can go outside freely and protest any issue I deem contestable. The actions done under the American banner such as Guanatamo are horrid, though not representative of how actually internal American dynamics function so your statement is false. That can be applied for any other country. America is neutral, Congress isn't....
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Posted: 20-Feb-2008 at 11:20 |
Originally posted by Brit 456767
Also Britain is neutral, the House of Commons isn't.
And that just about sums up British Politics... |
ha, no way. Most Greeks would disagree, they are about as neutral as Isreal Britain was involved in the Greek civil war to start with, and is too involved in Cyprus to be considered a neutral power.
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Posted: 09-Apr-2008 at 10:50 |
Might makes right, etc, etc.
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Posted: 09-Apr-2008 at 11:34 |
Originally posted by es_bih
Don't preach to me on morality while excluding Britain's notorious history of consistent repression throughout its colonial enterprise.
Guanatamo Bay is outside of the US, and is not representative of internal US dynamics. Last time I checked I can go outside freely and protest any issue I deem contestable. The actions done under the American banner such as Guanatamo are horrid, though not representative of how actually internal American dynamics function so your statement is false.
That can be applied for any other country. America is neutral, Congress isn't....
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This is amazing. And those people tend to teach democracy the whole word
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Posted: 09-Apr-2008 at 13:18 |
this is moot and academic, if by fact that you are using former nations ruling Constantinople such as the Greeks and stating that this city belongs to them then you have to state it as well that this city, which was built by the Romans belongs to them more so or the Persians who ruled the lands before them or the Lydians or may be the Trojans. it belongs to who is in it right now I say. not the Greeks, not the Romans, not the Persians nor the Trojans, to the Turks.
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Posted: 09-Apr-2008 at 14:07 |
This city was not build by Romans -- it is older than that. As far as I know, some claim it is Greek colony while others that it is Thracian city. Greek colony seems to be more likely as Thracians mostly lived deep inland.
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Posted: 09-Apr-2008 at 14:53 |
but they did occupy the area. another statement to write, it might belong to the Thracians as well.
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Posted: 09-Apr-2008 at 15:07 |
Originally posted by Akolouthos
Originally posted by Illirac
Originally posted by Ponce de Leon
I am still saying that Spain has more right to this city than either Greece or Turkey. Just putting that out there |
I think it should be Vatican
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And why, may I ask, is that?
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I have missed some posts Why Vatican? So that they get something larger...
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Posted: 09-Apr-2008 at 15:26 |
This city was not build by Romans -- it is older than that. As far as I know, some claim it is Greek colony while others that it is Thracian city. Greek colony seems to be more likely as Thracians mostly lived deep inland. |
The ancient Byzantion is a Megarian colony, founded somewhere in the first half of the 7th century BC. The name of the city however seems to be Thracian (like in the case of another Megarian colony in this area - Selymbria). It is also possible the pre-existence of a Thracian settlement.
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