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Topic: Great heroes of other countries that we know Posted: 01-Mar-2006 at 18:55 |
Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl
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Copernicus was Polish... |
Yea did he make his dsicovery in Poland? Of Course not, he went to Italy. |
What does that have to do with anything...he has been all over Europe,
got his education in Poland, Prussia, Italy...you dont sit in one
country and make a discovery in a day...
Einstein was Jewish...and he didnt make any discoveries in Israel...
I dont understand what you are trying to argue...
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Posted: 01-Mar-2006 at 19:04 |
Originally posted by mamikon
Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl
Originally posted by mamikon
Copernicus was Polish... |
Yea did he make his dsicovery in Poland? Of Course not, he went to Italy.
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What does that have to do with anything...he has been all over Europe, got his education in Poland, Prussia, Italy...you dont sit in one country and make a discovery in a day...
Einstein was Jewish...and he didnt make any discoveries in Israel...
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It has to do with everything. My point being Poland was/is/will not (be) an environment propice for intellectual development. In fact, the origin of a person is quite irrelevent, it is the influence of society on that person that truly matters. Which society influenced Copernicus the most for his intellectual enlightenment? I would say Italy and Germany and certainly not poland. In poland, he simply learned the basics. He had to move overseas for more. Frauenburg although in Poland was actually peopled by Germans in those days.
Einstein was german by the way, of Jewish faith. That's why his name was Einstein not Ben Gurion
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Posted: 01-Mar-2006 at 19:25 |
no , he was a Jew, and a German
citizen (until some time)...then moved to the United States. (if he
were a German he wouldnt be harassed)
And what makes you believe that
Poland was not a place to get good education. Do you have any factual
basis for this? or is it just your opinion? did you meet him in 1500
and ask him if he liked Polish education? (if so did he say Polish
education sucks...?)
According to wikipedia, he encountered astronomy at Jagiellonian University
in Krakw, Poland. In Italy he studied Law and Medicine, not astronomy.
After completing his studies in Italy he returned to Poland to work for
about 30-40 years.
And there was no Germany at that time (there was no Italy either, although I mistakenly mentioned Italy, heh).
Note, that the thread refers to
"Great Heroes of other Countries we know", and in this case Copernicus
clearly represents Poland....not University of Padua...
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Posted: 01-Mar-2006 at 20:32 |
Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl
It has to do with everything. My point being Poland was/is/will not (be) an environment propice for intellectual development. In fact, the origin of a person is quite irrelevent, it is the influence of society on that person that truly matters. Which society influenced Copernicus the most for his intellectual enlightenment? I would say Italy and Germany and certainly not poland. In poland, he simply learned the basics. He had to move overseas for more.
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Actually soon after Copernicu's death Commonwealth of Poland and Lithuania became way more enlighted country than France. When in France even between arictocracy the art of writting was rare and people were murdering one each other in great numbers for religious reasons, in Poland our political philosophers were writting treaties about democracy and religious tollerance (in the 16th century for most of French it were unknown words), large part of population was speaking latin (foreign travellers were even writting that in Poland is more latinists than in Latium), people were saying and printing whatever they wanted without being afraid of death. In 1573 AD catholics and protestants signed act of Confederation of Warsaw (they saw what happend in France during St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre) and even forced newly elected French on Polish throne to sign it (he didnt want to accept it so was simply forced to do it, just like more fanatic catholic bishops who were much less fanatic than this French). So before you start talking about intelectual enviroment in other countries first look into your own which for long was pretty backward.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Confederation_%281573%29
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Yeah, our national hero, there are many legends around him.
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Einstein is not a German name anyways. Jews in Germany were given German sounding names at some point but you can easily recognise them and those names are not shared with non-Jewish Germans.
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To nane just a few :
President Sadat of Egypt
Moustafa Kemal Pasha of Turkey
Ismet Inonu Plasha of Turkey
Mohamed Ali Pasha of Egypt
Ibrahim Pasha of Egypt
Sultan Salah Eldin Al Ayoubi of Egypt
Sultan Mehmet II of Turkey and most Osmanli sultans
Caliph Haroun Al Rashid Abbasid Empire
Caliph Abdel Malik and other caliphs of Omeyad Empire
The Wise Caliphs of Arabia
Caliph Ali Ibn Abi Talib and many more others following his death.
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Greeks : Odysseus, Hercules, Achiles
scots : William Wallas, Robert the Bruce
Frenshs : juan arc, charlemagne, Napoleon
Persians : Arash the archer, Cyrus the Great, Ariobarzan
Romans : Trojan, Hadrian
Britons : King Arthur, Lancelot (knight)
Turks : Gengiz khan , Timr, oughuz khan
Arabs : Omar ibn khattab, Saladin
Americans : Washington, Lincoln, Franklin
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Scotland - William Wallace
Spain - El Cid
Russia - Alexander Nevski, General Kutuzoff
Italia - Giuseppe Garibaldi
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Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 19:31 |
Originally posted by sirius99
Turks : Gengiz khan , Timr, oughuz khan
Arabs : Omar ibn khattab, Saladin
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saladin was kurdist, not arab.
and gengiz khan was mongol.
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Persia - Cyrus the Great
France - Napoleon
Greece - Alexander the Great, Hercules, Hector, Achilles
Turkey - Ataturk (Ottomans - Osman I, Suleyman the Magnificent)
Ireland - St. Patrick, Michael Collins
South Africa - Nelson Mandela
Mongolia - Genghis Khan
Palestine - Yasser Arafat
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Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 22:58 |
Turk and monghol what's diffrent ?
They have the same ancestors.
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Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 23:20 |
Originally posted by sirius99
Turk and monghol what's diffrent ? They have the same ancestors.
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because it says heros from countries. mongolia shouldnt get the credit?
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Posted: 13-Mar-2006 at 10:42 |
Sorry to inform all those who listed Ghengis Khan as a Turk are wrong. He was a mongol from Mongolia but maybe had turkic warriors fighting in his army
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Yue Fei- China
General Yue Fei, the national hero of the Southern Song Dynasty, was born in a poor and humble family. But he later became an accomplished general and a man of integrity. In his day, minority nationalities on the northern border, such as the Jins, invaded central China repeatedly. As a valiant and wise commander, he once defeated an enemy said to be 500,000 strong with only 800 soldiers on the outskirts of today's Kaifeng. So a commander of Jin sighed, 'It is easier to shake Mount Tai than to shake Yue Fei's army.' Thanks to Yue Fei and a contemporary general, Han Shizhong, the shaky regime of Southern Song maintained itself for the time being.
Although Yue Fei and other war hawks had won brilliant victories and recovered the most part of the territory, it was the capitulationists like Qin Hui who wielded real power at court. They even resorted to false accusations to eliminate the war party and finally had Yue Fei sent to prison and executed. At the news, General Han Shizhong asked Qin Hui, 'What crime in the world did Yue Fei commit?' To this, Qin Hui replied evasively, 'Mo Xu You' which meant 'something fairly likely.' Later the phrase 'mo xu you' entered Chinese to mean a trumped-up charge or a fabricated charge. Yue Fei was only 39 at the time he was executed.
Yue Fei had been in 126 battles and won them all; this is perhaps the best military record in world history.
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