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Ahmed The Fighter
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Topic: who do you think is the Most Intersting Arabic Caliph? Posted: 29-Aug-2005 at 10:46 |
Originally posted by Oguzoglu
Originally posted by Ahmed The Fighter
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Ali...
A good person, a fierce warrior, and off course cousin of Prophet Mohammad and his real successor...
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I also agree with it. Hazrat-i Ali was more than a caliph. And about Muawiyah, he shouldnt be judged as a real caliph at all. Ummayad Caliphate betrayed the Islamic teachings in my opinion.
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Agree,Imam Ahmed Bin Hanbel said (Ali didn,t honored by caliphate but the caliphate homored by him).
He was the bravest muslim ever he slept in the prophet bed,Killed 35 Unbeleivers in Bader,In Uhad he defended the prophet when the muslims retreated,In Alahzab he killed Amro Bin Wad the strongest of all arab knight,In Khaybar he was the commander of the army who conquered the city by his hand when he breacched the gate of the fort,Plus this bravery his knowledge The Prophet Muhammed(PBUH) said (I am the city of knowledge and Ali it's gate). in my opinion no one of comanion could match him with my respect to them.
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Posted: 29-Aug-2005 at 16:25 |
For me its Abu Bakrs even though he was Khalifah for two years
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Posted: 30-Aug-2005 at 05:52 |
Originally posted by ill_teknique
For me its Abu Bakrs even though he was Khalifah for two years |
Reasons please.
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Posted: 31-Aug-2005 at 09:04 |
Hi everybody,
I am new in this forum. Altough I am not a good forum member, I would like to take place in this forum as a history lover.
For me, Hz.Ali. He was a great fighter and so brave. Also, as it mentioned, his knowledge about Islam and so on...
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Posted: 31-Aug-2005 at 11:40 |
Welcome Kazasker,I hope you loved the fourm it is very lovly by the way good vote.
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Posted: 08-Sep-2005 at 11:55 |
Thank you very much Ahmed. I already loved the forum. And I am also sorry for my late respond.
By the way, one of my name is also Ali
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Posted: 08-Sep-2005 at 14:13 |
With pleasure but don't late again.
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Posted: 08-Sep-2005 at 14:34 |
Ok, I am sorry again...
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Posted: 08-Sep-2005 at 15:58 |
Originally posted by Ahmed The Fighter
Originally posted by ill_teknique
For me its Abu Bakrs even
though he was Khalifah for two years | Reasons please. |
After giving praise and thanks to Allah (The One True God), Abu Bakr (ra) addressed the Muslims gathered at the Prophets mosque:
"I have been given the authority over you, and I
am not the best of you. If I do well, help me; and if I do wrong, set
me right. Sincere regard for truth is loyalty and disregard for truth
is treachery. The weak amongst you shall be strong with me until I have
secured his rights, if God will; and the strong amongst you shall be
weak with me until I have wrested from him the rights of others, if God
will. Obey me so long as I obey God and His Messenger (Muhammad, pbuh).
But if I disobey God and His Messenger, ye owe me no obedience. Arise
for your prayer, God have mercy upon you."
Islamic armies conquer Damascus, Hams and the remaining towns of
Syria and according to the terms of the treaty they realize some amount
of tax for the protection of the life and property of the citizens and
the defense of the country (634 A.D., within two years after Prophet
Muhammad SAW). But later the Muslim leaders received news that
Heraclius had brought a big army which he was anxious to bring against
the Muslims. Therefore they decided to bring together their own
scattered armies in various conquered towns to concentrate at one point
to face the hordes of Heraclius with joint effort. So in
keeping with this decision our armies started leaving the towns of
Hams, Damascus and other towns. Khalid in Hams, Abu Ubaidah in Damascus
and other generals in other towns addressed the citizens thus:
"The money or monies we had realized from
you was meant for the protection of your lives and properties, and also
to defend your lands from outside aggression. But we are sorry to
inform you that we are parting with you and since we would not be able
to protect and defend you, we are returning the amounts of taxes
collected from you."
To this the citizens said in reply:
"God be with you and bring you back
victorious. Your governance and your justice and equity have enamored
us, since the Romans in spite of being our coreligionists, we have
bitter experience of their oppression and tyranny. By God! If they had
been in your position they would not have returned a copper out of the
taxes collected from us. Rather, they would have taken away everything
they could from here belonging to us."
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Posted: 09-Sep-2005 at 03:38 |
Isn't this topic about the most "interesting" Arabic caliph? Show their interesting features, please...
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Posted: 09-Sep-2005 at 07:14 |
read the first post and some of the other posts and you'll see some of their features.!
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Posted: 09-Sep-2005 at 09:38 |
be easy man
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Posted: 09-Sep-2005 at 17:46 |
their actions are feautres and therefore i just posted a reason for my vote
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Posted: 10-Sep-2005 at 02:30 |
I see no one voted for Umar, so it will be only me.
Reasons:
1-He was not only a good stateman but a military man too. The biggest expansion of the new muslim empire out of the 4 caliphs came during Ummar time.
2- Spread justice, used to walk with no guards, and finally assasinated during prayer. In him, the famous quote "O'mar, you did just, then felt secured, then slept" when a delegate of the Byzantine empire searched for the caliph to find him sleeping under a tree with no guards.
3-Refused to pray in a Jerusalem church during a visit to that city, lest it become a precedent for Moslems to emulate him, thus violating the right of Christians to their own houses of worship.
4-Granted the Christians of the city of Iliah a treaty that stated: "They shall be secure as to their persons, their churches and their crosses. Their churches are not to be inhabited, destroyed or diminished in any way; nor shall they be coerced as to their faith."
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Posted: 12-Sep-2005 at 09:01 |
Originally posted by Mortaza
Hz. mer. "Justice of Hz mer " |
I vote Umar ibn al-Khattab
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Posted: 13-Sep-2005 at 00:50 |
Originally posted by Ahmed The Fighter
Originally posted by kotumeyil
Ahmed, does the script in your avatar mean "Ya Ali, meded! =
Help me/us Ali!" ? I can read very little in Arabic script...
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it SO does not, it says Mohammad in the center and that's it.
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Posted: 13-Sep-2005 at 00:57 |
Al Walid was not religious either.
this whole poll is in the wrong direction, the topic says "the most interesting caliph" and everybody's choosing the greatest caliph.
My vote is for Walid, he was just a character! and I could say had the
most interesting life among others. and as for the best caliph, I'd go
with Ali.
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Posted: 13-Sep-2005 at 01:05 |
dont worry about him, he is used to it
Originally posted by ramin
Al Walid was not religious either.
this whole poll is in the wrong direction, the topic says "the most interesting caliph" and everybody's choosing the greatest caliph. My vote is for Walid, he was just a character! and I could say had the most interesting life among others. and as for the best caliph, I'd go with Ali.
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so true, i was carefull not to say Greatest in this poll, just because in Sunni branch of islam the grade of each Caliph (specially the 1st four) are in the same order as they became caliphs.
add to that intersting doesn't mean that he was religious or not, Muaweyah who is most hated i guess can be intersting that he Founded a new Caliphate. so its not all about religious point of view.
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Posted: 13-Sep-2005 at 13:29 |
Ramin my ex-avator was (YA ALI MADAD), I changed it to the name of the holy Prophet (PBUH).
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