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Topic: Iran Iraq war, Which country lost more ? Posted: 10-Apr-2006 at 19:53 |
you stole my idea for signature Iranianforlife.
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Posted: 10-Apr-2006 at 19:34 |
nope, one of teh most famous chants during the revolution was " we dont want the west, we dont want the north (USSR), all we want is islam"
no one helped iran, why cant you guys admit that.
for iranians, we have already fought WWIII.
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Posted: 10-Apr-2006 at 18:50 |
Originally posted by Maljkovic
It was a bit before my time, but didn't USSR support Iran? |
Yeah I thought that before too.
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Posted: 10-Apr-2006 at 18:41 |
No, not really. They supported Iraq much much much much mcuh much more, all they did was sell us kalashnakovs.
I remember propaganda pictures from teh time showed Iranian soldiers wmarching over three flags, British, American and USSR.
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Posted: 10-Apr-2006 at 18:12 |
It was a bit before my time, but didn't USSR support Iran?
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Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 23:17 |
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yes but you disregard the help Iran recieved in the first two years... |
what? pst. the 15 million dollars worth of guns the USA gave us. what BS is that?
yea, a lot of help iran got. 15 million dollars, ONCE, compared to the billions iraq got in logistics, technology, military equipment, funding, etc...
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Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 22:47 |
yes but you disregard the help Iran recieved in the first two years...
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Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 22:27 |
the fact is that everyone in the world knew that iran would have crushed iraq.
the USA knew, western europe knew it, the USSR knew it.
when iran pushed iraq back after 2 years and then proceeded into iraq itself, the rest of the world got worried.
iraq was about to collapse, so the west and the USSR started helping iraq militarily, financially, logistically, etc....
iraq would have lost but in order to keep the balance of power in the Persian Gulf region they helped iraq.
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Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 22:20 |
I believe its a tie for both knowing that Iran lost numerically and Iraq lost militarily. But the huge help by world powers did make Iraq more of a force in the Gulf War after.
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Posted: 16-Mar-2006 at 16:43 |
Iran certainly paid a much higher price for the war, but in military terms, it was also a clear victory for Iran. Iraq did not achieve any of its stated objectives, and in fact was put into the position of defending their own territory at one point. Iran, on the other hand, fulfilled all of the objectives of any defender: to retain ownership of their land, drive the war back onto the enemy's territory, and punish the attacker. They also established their reputation for defence, while Iraq only established the fact that even given a technological advantage its forces were not capable of succesful aggression against comparable powers.
A pyrrhic victory to be sure, but clearly a victory for Iran nonetheless.
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Posted: 16-Mar-2006 at 15:20 |
There wer female brigades but they were not on teh front lines.
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Posted: 16-Mar-2006 at 15:11 |
Originally posted by prsn41ife
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Originally posted by Perspolis
I can say Iran lost more people. a lot of countries helped iraq during the war, but iran was almost alone. |
It was more because of Iran's tactic of "human wave",sending even women and children to the front to form huge numbers in the fight.That's why Iranian casualties were more.
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first of all, women were never used in these human wave attacks, however children under the age of 18 (probably 15-18, supposedly volunteers, accompanied by older men ofcourse) were used in human wave attacks.
i dont even think women were used as soldiers at the time.
but this was all due to the fact that iran didnt have the support, help, and technology iraq was given.
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According to what I know, women were used in the frontline. My source is a famous Turkish political history professor, Fahir Armaoglu, who had made his doctorate at Harvard University,but of course, that doesn't mean every stuff he says is true
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Posted: 16-Mar-2006 at 13:51 |
Originally posted by Genghis
Originally posted by prsn41ife
Originally posted by Genghis
Originally posted by Kapikulu
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aweful war, the only losers were the people of Iran and Iraq, and the winners at the end were the Mullahs. |
Definitely...Mullahs strengthened their regime due to war...People of Iran had to consider about the Iraqi threat of invasion instead of regime, and by that way, Mullahs' regime strengthened.
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Saddam was retarded in that when he invaded he declared that he was going to annex Khuzestan and didn't lie and say he wanted to depose the mullahs. Immediately all Iranians united to defend the nation, when Saddam could have caused old regime loyalists to join him in his campaign to depose the mullahs. They would have noticed his duplicity only when it was too late.
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no, iranians would have fought to death for the regime in 1980.
the anti regime sentiments started after the war. and iranians would have defended their country no matter what, whether it be fighting for the mullahs or whoever else. iranians dont like their country being invaded.
even today, all the anti mullah spokesman that want the US to invade iran are considered traitors in iran by the public. that is the same reason why the MKO followers are considered traitors.
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A lot of the common people would have fought to the death, no doubt, but a few traitors in high places would have helped Saddam a great deal.
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they did, they are called the MKO, the most hated people in iran. if you ask the general public about what they think of the MKO (traitor pigs!!!) they would say that they need to be killed!
the MKO are the most hated in iran because they betrayed iran in its time of most need.
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Posted: 16-Mar-2006 at 13:28 |
Originally posted by prsn41ife
Originally posted by Genghis
Originally posted by Kapikulu
Originally posted by Zagros
aweful war, the only losers were the people of Iran and Iraq, and the winners at the end were the Mullahs. |
Definitely...Mullahs strengthened their regime due to war...People of Iran had to consider about the Iraqi threat of invasion instead of regime, and by that way, Mullahs' regime strengthened.
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Saddam was retarded in that when he invaded he declared that he was going to annex Khuzestan and didn't lie and say he wanted to depose the mullahs. Immediately all Iranians united to defend the nation, when Saddam could have caused old regime loyalists to join him in his campaign to depose the mullahs. They would have noticed his duplicity only when it was too late.
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no, iranians would have fought to death for the regime in 1980.
the anti regime sentiments started after the war. and iranians would have defended their country no matter what, whether it be fighting for the mullahs or whoever else. iranians dont like their country being invaded.
even today, all the anti mullah spokesman that want the US to invade iran are considered traitors in iran by the public. that is the same reason why the MKO followers are considered traitors.
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A lot of the common people would have fought to the death, no doubt, but a few traitors in high places would have helped Saddam a great deal.
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Posted: 16-Mar-2006 at 08:24 |
Originally posted by Zagros
aweful war, the only losers were the people of Iran and Iraq, and the winners at the end were the Mullahs. |
I understand ur hatred for the mullahs but to blame everything on the mullahs is a bit extreme. Did the mullahs start the war? who did the mullah fight to win? It is about the war. If there was a power vacuum that only the mullahs could fill then y blame them for doing so.
What do u think is happening in Iraq, power vacuum and <---mullahs in power.
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Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 22:25 |
Originally posted by Genghis
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Originally posted by Zagros
aweful war, the only losers were the people of Iran and Iraq, and the winners at the end were the Mullahs. |
Definitely...Mullahs strengthened their regime due to war...People of Iran had to consider about the Iraqi threat of invasion instead of regime, and by that way, Mullahs' regime strengthened.
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Saddam was retarded in that when he invaded he declared that he was going to annex Khuzestan and didn't lie and say he wanted to depose the mullahs. Immediately all Iranians united to defend the nation, when Saddam could have caused old regime loyalists to join him in his campaign to depose the mullahs. They would have noticed his duplicity only when it was too late.
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no, iranians would have fought to death for the regime in 1980.
the anti regime sentiments started after the war. and iranians would have defended their country no matter what, whether it be fighting for the mullahs or whoever else. iranians dont like their country being invaded.
even today, all the anti mullah spokesman that want the US to invade iran are considered traitors in iran by the public. that is the same reason why the MKO followers are considered traitors.
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Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 22:23 |
Originally posted by Kapikulu
Originally posted by Perspolis
I can say Iran lost more people. a lot of countries helped iraq during the war, but iran was almost alone. |
It was more because of Iran's tactic of "human wave",sending even women and children to the front to form huge numbers in the fight.That's why Iranian casualties were more.
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first of all, women were never used in these human wave attacks, however children under the age of 18 (probably 15-18, supposedly volunteers, accompanied by older men ofcourse) were used in human wave attacks.
i dont even think women were used as soldiers at the time.
but this was all due to the fact that iran didnt have the support, help, and technology iraq was given.
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Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 22:07 |
Originally posted by Kapikulu
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aweful war, the only losers were the people of Iran and Iraq, and the winners at the end were the Mullahs. |
Definitely...Mullahs strengthened their regime due to war...People of Iran had to consider about the Iraqi threat of invasion instead of regime, and by that way, Mullahs' regime strengthened.
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Saddam was retarded in that when he invaded he declared that he was going to annex Khuzestan and didn't lie and say he wanted to depose the mullahs. Immediately all Iranians united to defend the nation, when Saddam could have caused old regime loyalists to join him in his campaign to depose the mullahs. They would have noticed his duplicity only when it was too late.
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Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 21:31 |
Originally posted by Perspolis
I can say Iran lost more people. a lot of countries helped iraq during the war, but iran was almost alone. |
It was more because of Iran's tactic of "human wave",sending even women and children to the front to form huge numbers in the fight.That's why Iranian casualties were more.
The help of those "a lot" of countries to Iraq later was costly for Iraq,showing its effects till today.
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Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 21:29 |
Originally posted by Zagros
aweful war, the only losers were the people of Iran and Iraq, and the winners at the end were the Mullahs. |
Definitely...Mullahs strengthened their regime due to war...People of Iran had to consider about the Iraqi threat of invasion instead of regime, and by that way, Mullahs' regime strengthened.
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