dont criticize Islam!

Originally posted by sephodwyrm   And Islam means submission to the will of God and the laws laid down by Allah (which includes Physics, Chemistry, Biology etc). You are technically Muslim. To my Muslim friends: Happy Eid-Al-Fitr!

 

I don't get it .

I don't see any reason why are terrorists called terrorists when they're defending their homes. I don't see why the US army is called a force of liberation when they're thrashing up other people's homes. I don't see why the apartheid of Israel is allowed to continue. I don't see why people who makes such arguments are denounced as anti-Semitic and Islamofascists.

And Islam means submission to the will of God and the laws laid down by Allah (which includes Physics, Chemistry, Biology etc). You are technically Muslim.

To my Muslim friends: Happy Eid-Al-Fitr!

Muslims are not all terrorists. But there are some. May I ask what, and anything, is the Islamic community doing to stop terrorists? I never hear Islamic leaders speak out against it. al jezerra especially doesnt do that. If muslims want to make the case that only a small percent are terrorists, i suggest your people discourage terrorist attacks more.

At the same time though, if you are a devout (a word that should be replaced in a less positive context) Muslim who hates western society and cant stand it when someone speaks their mind....DONT IMMIGRATE!!!! If your delicate sensibilites cant handle a type of culture, dont move there!  Can this be a hard concept to grasp?

And what if you're a muslim born in the Netherlands?

idiots, its not liek by attacking Muslims randomly youll get the ones who shot the guy. 

At the same time though, if you are a devout (a word that should be replaced in a less positive context) Muslim who hates western society and cant stand it when someone speaks their mind....DONT IMMIGRATE!!!! If your delicate sensibilites cant handle a type of culture, dont move there!  Can this be a hard concept to grasp?

And another Islamic school is set on fire, luckily there were no people inside when it happened.
It's said that there were 'White Power', 'kutmarokkanen', and such is written on the walls

and a pig's head was left in a plastic bag outside a mosque in Amsterdam.

That reminded me of an argument I heard about between a muslim friend of a friend and his muslim cousin. They were working at a burger king and one of them said that it was ok to stock the sausage patties because they were in plastic and he was only touching the plastic. Whereas the other one wouldn't even touch them in their bag.

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Edited by Jalisco Lancer

Part of the problem in the Netherlands (and possibly eslewhere too no doubt) is the inconsistency of both the Dutch authorities, and the outspoken authoritive Muslim figures, and the unwillingness of certain segments of both the muslim and native dutch populations to consider the actions of individuals as opposed to slandering the entire group, and the unwillingness to hold each other to the same standards.
Whether its the authorities who are prepared to overlook abusive language from muslims directed at homosexuals, but don't tolerate it from christians, or outspoken muslim figures who (frankly exorcise their right) criticise non-muslims non-stop but seem to think they themselves and their flock are above criticism.
The whole thing just leads to a climate of stupidity that uses any lame excuse to justify its continued existence.

What to do, who knows, i'm not a politico for a reason

Who's gonna explain to some individuals that the times of Saladin won't be back.... Anyway Islam is about 600 years "younger" so the time of Reneissance is coming and it's only optimistic in this whole business.