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    Posted: 05-Feb-2006 at 14:19

The main reason is because Arabic script was hard to learn. The literacy was %1 percent in the Ottoman Empire, later it had increased much more in the beginning of the republic with education initiatives.

And plus, most of the reasons ok ge had written, even probably the reasoning in number 4, is correct

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Feb-2006 at 18:23

To ok ge's notice,

There is an old closed topic on AE which has relevant posts to this topic.

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=844& PN=0&TPN=1 

Perhaps, ok ge has already read those posts, but those posts on that discussion give opinions of some posters.

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  Quote Attila2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 18:13
yeah whatever,it seems that actually you dont read my posts properly
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 16:28
Originally posted by Attila2

I am asking you ALL(all of you who make "roles" from their computers)

what would you do if you were ataturk

and no,you obviously dont know what ataturk did

The subject in this topic is not to answer someone asking "what would you do if you were in power then?" The past is the past and anyone lived in the past has made his/her fair share of achievements, as well as mistakes. I respect and support the alphabet reform, but so far I have never thought extensively about why it was done. Nobody here seemed to me writing anything crappy. Why don't you quote the so-called crappy remarks and prove otherwise.

I am sure, it would be appreciated, if you can contribute to the topic by reviewing your explanation of what motivated this reform. You may plead ignorance, if you aren't sure.

There is no magic in the history and no one landed from the space. So, we took over the ottoman heritage and institutions either decayed, backward or modern; consequently, Turkish republic is the main country succeeding collapsed ottoman empire. Obviously "what ataturk has done" doesn't need people restrain refrain to discuss his achievements. In my opinion, Ataturk would not wish to be treated like a dogma. 

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  Quote Mortaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 15:42

Well they have their mistakes too, they built an empire, Empires cannot be nationalist. Also nationalism is a new thing.

As I said accept or not, they are our ancestors. I am not a nationalist, but If I am, I wont refuse neither selcuks(remember how they love persian culture) nor ottomans.

 

 

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  Quote Attila2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 15:39

well,I always wanted to be in the mode of "kill the criminal but dont crush his rights".I am not saying Ataturk was perfect.

Actually I have a reasonable "distance" with ataturk too because he brought western style of life(are u surprised?? )

we have to question our past without taboos to go through the future

yeah geneticaly they are our ancestors,and if they had stayed as if they were in the rule of Osman and Orhan khans,I would be proud to be a descendant of them...

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  Quote Mortaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 15:25

Err, noone said ottomans are angels, but they are ancestors.

Also there were not large slavery at ottomans, and none of them abused like in america.

ok you dont like ottomans, but no need to exegerate things.

With good or bad, they are our ancestors. Even founder of our beloved Turkey is an ottoman soldier.

 

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  Quote Attila2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 15:20

And please but PLEASE dont take it offensive(you can't eh )

werent they the ottomans that brought Belly-dancing and women sex-slavery to turkey?

Please be honest

if we are having a morality crisis it is also the fault of the ottomans.

isnt it the ottoman lovers who are against (well I am against it to be honest) non-modest clothing(lemme be more specififc;western style clothings) of turkish women but cant see that the ottomans are the reason behind this?

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  Quote Attila2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 15:11
Originally posted by tauska

Atilla,

Instead of making a premature a judgement, reread and reconsider what I wrote in context.  I didn't write I would have done different if I were in power.

Try to stay on topic and elaborate your remarks by examples, and use quote before labeling anything crappy. You might have a different viewpoint, as I have one with an open mind. You seemed to get frustrated for nothing.

 

Tauska the phrase "silly comments" was not for you but in general(actually a kind of joke)

but I can now see that no one has patience for those kind of things

what can i say now

BTW,yes,I am asking you ALL(all of you who make "roles" from their computers)

what would you do if you were ataturk

and no,you obviously dont know what ataturk did

it is an unfortunate event to see even today there are still "some" kind of mentalities exist

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  Quote DayI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 15:11
Also watch out for Greeks and Armenians, they can bite (joke)
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  Quote Mortaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 14:56

Be careful about serbs! They will kill you,

 

I think you should choose Kanuni Sultan Suleyman, I think he lived longest.

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  Quote ok ge Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 14:54
hahaha, ok. Then Im Sultan Murad of Kosovo battle. I need to find a representation of that battle though as an Avatar 
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  Quote DayI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 14:38

why you wanna change it if you understanded the joke?

btw im proud being a mameluke at now, let me enjoy it for few minutes

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  Quote Mortaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 14:37

Anyhow, I was jus wondering since I saw first the Turk with a Saudi flag and then when I saw Mortaza I realized it is a joke

Not joke. At this times, becoming a citizen of Saudi is fine.

 

 

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  Quote ok ge Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 14:34

Originally posted by DayI

Id love to be an Saudi citizen but i dont like the wahabi rejim

Well, unless you are part of the authorities, you cannot be identified as part of the regime for being a citizen of a country.

Anyhow, I was jus wondering since I saw first the Turk with a Saudi flag and then when I saw Mortaza I realized it is a joke

I would like to change my country flag just for fun, but I am afraid I will be a shame to that new country, so I will stick with mine

Maybe we should arrange a Hajj trip of AE since Im not far from Mecca



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  Quote DayI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 14:18

Id love to be an Saudi citizen but i dont like the wahabi rejim

Ok im now a Egyptian mamluke Baybars al-Bunduqdari 

My avatar is a Baybars (mameluk) coin with baybars on the lion sticked on it.



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  Quote Mortaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 14:17

Well after all, all of us goes Arabia once at his life (If he have enough money)

Atilla himself has identity crisis, he have no relation with Atilla, he has relation with ottomans.

Ottomans are his ancestors not atilla.

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  Quote ok ge Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 14:11

That is true, it is more precise to say Perso-Arabic alphabits Mortaza.

By the way, when did you apply to the Saudi Citizenship?

Maybe that is what Attila meant by identity crisis (just a joke obviously).

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  Quote Mortaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 14:05

Err I learn, Infact ottoman alphabet is not arabic one but persian one.

Suprise.

 

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  Quote ok ge Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 13:57

Originally posted by Attila2

Noow now now look,what crappy things you've all said 

Now I am asking you,what would you do if you were Atatrk

with all due respect, I think your remark fits better the defintion of "crappy" in this thread so far. You went on and on about that Ataturk had to do so and so and so, however, you have not given a single reasoning why did he had to do what he had to do? We all know what he did, rather here, we are reasoning the motivation of his decisions. If you had put some effort in reading the previous posts, you would have appreciated every single post here.

Originally posted by Attila2

Most of the people can be muslim,thats fine,but taking Islam as a kind of culture(instead of a religion) makes an identity clash(and it did and is still doing,thanks to ottomans) 

700 years of Ottoman rule and taking religion as an identity was a positive point and not the opposite. In fact, it is the only thing that allowed the Ottomans to excercise the protector position on many landscapes from Algeria to the Crimean Khanate.

It only became a crisis in the mid 1800's with the rise of nationalism in Ottoman European proviences, leading to 1912 Balkan war and later (where preveviously Bosnians and Albanians themselves fought the Ottoman on the basis of nationalism), the formation of all other ethnic identities barriers from Armenians to Arabs.

Lastly, blaming the Ottomans for the identity crash (assuming they are the real cause of it instead of the wave of nationalism) is a total ignorance of the greater good they have done. Just think deep that if Ottomans didn't exist, maybe Western Turkey, Istanbul, European Turkey and all the heritage left in the Balkans won't exist. the Ottomans also unified various khanates in Eastern Anatolia.



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