Your Favourite Muslim Intellects

I am so happy so many of you are sharing who is ur most fav islam intellect...

But i just wondering how can this topic is leading to ethnic perspective.. come on guys...

anyhow.. thanks for the mosque picture.. it's awesome..

*whtever the ethnic of the intellect is... he is Muslim.. tht's the only matter"

As far as I know, Shah Abbas I (great Abbas) is the one declaring Shiesm as the religion of his state and forcing it on all of his people.

http://isfahan.anglia.ac.uk/glossary/abbas/abbas1.html

Shah Abbas I was the first of the Safavid Shahs to establish Persia as a homogeneous state, enforcing, often brutally, adherence to Shi'ism, and imposing Farsi as a unifying language throughout the land.

But anyhow, I guess the point I talked about earlier and which Day I also re-enforced is clear. What brought Iranians togather was what you called "the trick" of religion. So religion is what unified them, not race or nationalism. What nationalism first of all? Nationalism is based on ethnic or common values? If Shah Abbas or Shah Islamil had enough common values to form their unified Iranian state, why do they need religion to be unified too? the Answer is the one you said :

In fact at that time, your citizenship is your religion. If you are a Shiah Kurd, you are expected to help the Safavid and from them, if you are a Sunni Kurd, you are expected to help the Ottomans and be of them.

"Acting like an european is an insult I presume? Is that what you are implying. As said, for us the nation has allways came first, that is why we were successfull no matter what religion, what king we had. This is why we were united even though we also have had turkic kings. These same turkic kings like Shah Abbas had the same ideology like many iranians have today, nation comes first, religion come second.

And if someone asks me what I am, I say a citizen of earth, then iranian, persian and last muslim."

Unification of some groops has one equal point, that is mostly one language, one religion and one country. IF you begin with ethnics you wont be succesfull.

You can descibe yourself as you wish. However, your analysis that nation comes first is not always true. You used Shah Abbas I example here as an Irani nationalist. If he was as you Iranian, Persian and last Muslim, why did he pushed so hard for all the people living in his domain to accept Shiism Islam? Why can't he just accept all Iranians in his kingdom regardless of their religion? If he was a nationalistic Iranian, why did he wages all tose wars he called Jihad against the Ottomans and clearly he negotiated his deals based on religious criterias? His criteria was always they the Sunni Ottomans, we the Shieh Safavid.  I don't think a natioanlist will launch a war and call it Jihad and conquest of our religion.

By the way, your Iranian nationalistic Abbas Shah example is definitely a bad example. Didn't he prosecute and force 4 million Zoroastrians to accept Shiesm? Ironically if he was only a hardcore Iranian Persian nationalist, he would have at least left the Zoroastrians, the religion of ancient Persia! 

shompis dont act like a european...

And you are incredible wrong when you say what only mattered was what religion you belonged to and not ethnicty. This might be true for you turks, and pakistanis recently. But it has never been true for us on the iranian platue. For us nation comes first, religion is allways secondary in the big picture.

yes yes who dont know this?Infact nationalism comes from Iran not france.

So, from the highlight above of your statement, are you saying you guys are united meaning what? united as the nation of Iran or the ethnicities of persians?

Regarding Ibn Sina, ee was born in 370/980 in Afshana, his mother's home, near Bukhara. His native language was Persian. His father, an official of the Samanid administration, had him very carefully educated at Bukhara. So, most probably Ibn Sina is a central asian (Turkic probably) who is educated in Persian. Seljuks spoke persians and raised as persians, but they are not ethnically persians.