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Topic: Greek presence in Iran since 2nd millenium B.C. Posted: 01-Jul-2012 at 13:38 |
It's well known that around 1000 BC the Greeks colonized some parts of the Black Sea. Their expansion led to the first contact with Iranian people who were known as Persians in all ancient Greek history books. Before 600 BC, the Persians and the Greeks seemed to get along with each other. Things turned nasty when Persia began to oppress Ionia, causing the rebellion of Miletus... And the rest is history (300).
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Posted: 10-Sep-2008 at 19:38 |
About Pankration: http://www.fightleague.org/
"Pankration is one of the oldest Martial arts and Combative sports on record. Pankration began in the ancient Greek Olympic Games. The rules were simple, no biting or eye gouging and the referees enforced their rules with a large stick. The Pankration was the most highly regarded event of the Olympic games. Competitors struggled and strategized with no time limits until one man became the victor and was awarded the coveted crown of olive branches on the final day of the ancient games."
Gile-Mardi has those two rules and also some other ones such as no punching on the crown of the head vertically, hitting in the testicles or clawing at the body.
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Posted: 10-Sep-2008 at 18:15 |
The most ancient Gilaki sport is "Gile-Mardi" which is a blend of boxing and wrestling, more info in Persian language: http://sport.ir/index.aspx?siteid=3&siteid=3&pageid=799
It could be the same ancient Greek Pankration:
Some info about Gile-Mardi in English:
Its practice in public areas starts from June to September when harvesting the rice fields, i.e. shali-kari is completed.
The competition is usually held in a leveled and soft ground. They illustrate all around the field. It usually starts in the evening and may end up after mid-night. During the competition special musical instruments are played.
At first all wrestlers line up in a column and do special God worship. After the ceremonies of worship, each wrestler gets out of the queue and walks or jumps around the field so that everybody can see him and he himself can also get acquainted with the spectators. Weight and time is not important in this style. The elders and veterans usually judge the competition.
During the opening ceremonies first the novices, cadets, and junior athletes wrestle and then the famous wrestlers appear in the field.
At first a wrestler walks in the field and asks for an opponent. Another wrestler appears from another direction of the field. The two wrestler approach, and contact each other by touching their hands (jegal).
If the first wrestler does not want in anyway to fight against the opponent or thinks that the opponent is not in his class or dignity, or he can not to fight against him, he leaves the field.
The wrestlers with half-bent bodies approach each other waving their hands or their fists.
In case they need a rest, they clap their hands. Throwing fists towards each other is customary, is among the techniques, and the opponent must be ready to counter attack.
Edited by Cyrus Shahmiri - 10-Sep-2008 at 18:31
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Posted: 09-Sep-2008 at 20:35 |
I think we have had enough of Olsonor. l left him for Zagros to deal with, however since he is away at the present, I will have to make that decision. Norsken is banned for sock puppetry.
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Posted: 09-Sep-2008 at 19:58 |
Originally posted by Flipper
if you ask me that village looks like a typical Epirotan village in the Pindus mountains...So, what is your theory about this Kyros? I mean, how, when, what? It is a good observation i have to say.
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Flipper I have been here before - The Vikos Aoos National Park.
The hiking is really good and within a few miles the area changes from looking like S. California, to Montana/Idaho, to the waterfalls of W. Virginia. I have pics of the mountains and the villages of Micro and Megalo Papingo. They are awesome mountains but still not as wild as the ones we have in the Pacific Northwest or as much wildlife- especially predators. I live on the edge of the Rocky Mountains.
Those pics from Iran really look like Greece.
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Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε
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Posted: 09-Sep-2008 at 19:33 |
He is the same guy with the same nonsense. Don't bother yourself to answer him.
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Posted: 09-Sep-2008 at 18:07 |
Originally posted by norsken
Originally posted by Suren
I think Norsken has a grudge toward turks and Azaris. Maybe he had a bad experience about them.
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Grudge or no-grudge. Please discuss the issues. Iranians such as Mr. Suren believes that everbody in Iran is a Mede. Then they equate medes with Iranians(Azeri Turks) and call it an Iranian race. All Iranians are supposed to look like turks. That is why they reject any Persians exist in Iran.
I am a native Persian and look entirely different from Iranian turks.
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1- Firstly, there's no Iranian race, Iranians are mostly Caucasoid, from almost all branchs.
2- You really remind me of guy, Oslonor, who was as ridiculous as you, may be a bit more. Any connection, nekbat?
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Posted: 09-Sep-2008 at 06:44 |
I think it was my fault that I posted the pic of that Gilaki girl, it can just be said that Gilakis have certainly brighter skins than other Iranian peoples, it reminds me of an Iranian movie, during Iran-Iraq war, a boy from Khuzistan in the south-west of Iran flees to Gilan:
Title: Bashu, The Little Stranger
Description: Bashu, a young boy who has lost his home and family in wartorn Khuzestan, flees to Gilan where he is adopted by a village woman despite the language and cultural differences as well as the objections of the other villagers. A brilliantly and sensitively photographed allegory of a boy’s search for meaning and identity and his personal transformation. Dir: Bahram Beizai.
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Posted: 09-Sep-2008 at 05:16 |
Originally posted by norsken
Originally posted by Suren
I think Norsken has a grudge toward turks and Azaris. Maybe he had a bad experience about them.
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Grudge or no-grudge. Please discuss the issues. Iranians such as Mr. Suren believes that everbody in Iran is a Mede. Then they equate medes with Iranians(Azeri Turks) and call it an Iranian race. All Iranians are supposed to look like turks. That is why they reject any Persians exist in Iran.
I am a native Persian and look entirely different from Iranian turks.
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You will not hijack this thread anymore with this racial myth rubbish. I simply will not allow you to. Get it? No one reply to these divergence posts.
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Posted: 09-Sep-2008 at 01:27 |
Originally posted by Suren
I think Norsken has a grudge toward turks and Azaris. Maybe he had a bad experience about them.
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Grudge or no-grudge. Please discuss the issues. Iranians such as Mr. Suren believes that everbody in Iran is a Mede. Then they equate medes with Iranians(Azeri Turks) and call it an Iranian race. All Iranians are supposed to look like turks. That is why they reject any Persians exist in Iran. I am a native Persian and look entirely different from Iranian turks.
Edited by norsken - 09-Sep-2008 at 01:30
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Posted: 09-Sep-2008 at 01:08 |
Originally posted by Suren
Originally posted by norsken
Originally posted by Vorian
I must have seen this girl about a million times on the inernet.
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You may have seen Farah Pahlavi, the Shah's wife. She is also from Gilan and she has also Parthian origin.
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Inja ro dige sooti dadi! Farah Pahlavi has Azari origin and nowadays there is no such a thing as Parthian, Sassanid or Achaemenid origin. Farah's mother is from Gilan.
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Please write in English. Farah Pahlavi is not related to Azeri Turks. Her son Reza Pahlavi is related to Azeri Turks because of Shah's Family. Farah Pahlavi is from Gilan. A comparison of Pictures of Persians and Azeri Iranians classify Farah Pahlavi as Persian and secondly as a Persian with Parthian origin. By Parthian we mean Urbanized Scythian. We are not refering to any government or dyansty.
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Posted: 09-Sep-2008 at 01:06 |
I think Norsken has a grudge toward turks and Azaris. Maybe he had a bad experience about them.
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Posted: 09-Sep-2008 at 00:19 |
Originally posted by norsken
Originally posted by Vorian
I must have seen this girl about a million times on the inernet.
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You may have seen Farah Pahlavi, the Shah's wife. She is also from Gilan and she has also Parthian origin.
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Inja ro dige sooti dadi! Farah Pahlavi has Azari origin and nowadays there is no such a thing as Parthian, Sassanid or Achaemenid origin. Farah's mother is from Gilan.
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Posted: 09-Sep-2008 at 00:16 |
Geez, you are serious one aren't you?
What I wrote is a thing called "joke" Look it up.
Thanks for the pics anyway
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Posted: 09-Sep-2008 at 00:12 |
Originally posted by Vorian
It's just that many Iranians use this photo when there is simiral talk...I did a search and this photo is from 1971!
This girl must be a hot milf right now.
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Mr. Vorian: This is history and anthropology forum. It is not a dating service forum. Iranians are mostly turks (Azeri Turks such as Presdient Ahmadinejad). That is why they do not use their own pictures. For pictures of Persians please see this slide show. Persians http://www.flickr.com/photos/20363431@N00/sets/72057594116581341/show/Iranians (Azeris) http://www.flickr.com/photos/20363431@N00/sets/72057594116588250/show/
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Posted: 08-Sep-2008 at 23:57 |
It's just that many Iranians use this photo when there is simiral talk...I did a search and this photo is from 1971!
This girl must be a hot milf right now.
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Posted: 08-Sep-2008 at 23:02 |
Originally posted by Vorian
I must have seen this girl about a million times on the Inernet.
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You may have seen Farah Pahlavi, the Shah's wife. She is also from Gilan and she has also Parthian origin.
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Posted: 08-Sep-2008 at 04:12 |
I must have seen this girl about a million times on the Inernet.
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Posted: 08-Sep-2008 at 03:34 |
Originally posted by Ardashir
The most obvious thing is that you HAVEN'T read this thread from the beginnin. If you read the 1st page, you'd note that Herodotus has confirmed Greek presence in Gilan, hundreds of years before Parthians came to the stage of history in 3rd century BC.
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Parthians did not just appear in 3rd century BC. Parthians were part of Persia Empire and earlier as Scythian tribe lived in the area since 2000-3000 BC a long time before Greek tourist appeared in Persia in the area in 400 BC. this girl is a parthian girl.
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Posted: 07-Sep-2008 at 19:52 |
در باره تاريخچه اين سنت قديمي مي گويند، قدمت اين سنت به زمان قبل از زرتشت بر مي گردد . به زمان قبل از ورود آريايي ها به ايران که آماردها به اين جلگه وارد شدند
It says this old festival dates back before Zoroastrianism and the Aryan emigrations when Amardians entered this region.
It seems they carry an Olympic torch for this festival too!
Edited by Cyrus Shahmiri - 07-Sep-2008 at 19:54
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