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    Posted: 21-Aug-2008 at 05:45

Russia says U.S. missile shield in Europe prompts arms race

http://en.rian.ru/world/20080820/116172288.html

Russia, Belarus to sign unified air defense pact this fall
http://en.rian.ru/world/20080819/116134839.html

South-Ossetian standoff. Results and forecasts

http://en.rian.ru/analysis/2008082

Black Sea Fleet: a factor of stability or instability?

http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20080820/

US oil pipeline politics and the Russia-Georgia conflict
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/aug2008/pipe-a21.shtml

US exploits Georgia crisis to push through Polish missile deal
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/aug2008/pola-a21.shtml

US scheming for "Great Central Asia" Strategy
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200608/03/

Color Revolutions, Geopolitics and the Baku Pipeline
http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/Geopo

US Outflanked in Eurasia Energy Politics
http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/Geopo

Turkey Energy Data
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/


Edited by Bankotsu - 21-Aug-2008 at 06:57
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While the missile defense shield does inch a little bit to having a war. It is no way as close as war than say Able archer. If WW3 will happen its going to take a lot more events to spark it. Plus for it truly have to be a world war Iran would have to attack Israel, China attack Taiwan, and a possible invasion of South Korea by North Korea and China.
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Now that the USA/Russian game has advanced to such a stage, I think it is time for the other players to show their intentions more clearly.

USA must share power in new world order, says Turkey's controversial president

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/16/turkey.usforeignpolicy

USA warns Turkey on terms of energy deal with Iran

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a4432a3a-69a2-11dd-91bd

Iran-Turkey energy deal fails

http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/

Turkish president says more time needed for gas deal with Iran
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jHg-WJyIcD0J



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Russia takes control of Turkmen (world?) gas
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9853
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Bankotsu, have you really read yourself all those news links you post here and in all those other threads?
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U.S. missile shield in Europe targets Russia - Medvedev

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080815/116068484.html

Russia's NATO envoy calls U.S. missile shield 'dead cat'

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080815/116072788.html

U.S. missile defense in Europe becomes a reality

http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20080815/116071931.html
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Originally posted by Bankotsu

Missile Defense: Washington and Poland just moved the World closer to War
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context


oh boy globalresearch.ca a heavily anti war/anti US site. I spent a few hours awhile back reading through their articles. The U.S. could be planting roses in Poland and it would be a lead up to war with those fear mongers. Apparently the enterprise is a nuclear battleshipLOL which they got straight from strafor another winner at fear mongering and missinformation. According to them we should of been nuking the planet every year for the last 10 years.
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Missile Defense: Washington and Poland just moved the World closer to War
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context
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Everything becomes clear now, after the Georgian war.

Interesting game between USA/NATO and Russia we will be seeing from now on.

I wonder who will win.
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Hey, this Russian-Georgian conflict led to even more pro-American attitude in Europe. Before that the missile defense shield deal in Poland was as good as frozen. So Americans only gained overall from that conflict.
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Add new targets to its warplan. A misslile defence system is useless against the Russians, for many reasons, mainly since it would obviously be attacked as a part of a general strike.
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I am curious as to what Russia will actually do in response to the missile defense system.
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Poland, US Reach Preliminary Deal on Missile Shield
http://voanews.com/english/2008-08-14-voa14.cfm
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Originally posted by gcle2003

Originally posted by pikeshot1600

Originally posted by rider

Russia allying with the US? I can't see that happening unless Russia stages a coup in the States (I wouldn't be surprised). 
 
LOL   The Russians would be driven insane by the hopeless complexity of American politics....both outside and inside the Pentagon!  None of them would survive the cocktail parties.  Wink
 
 
I assume you mean the Americans couldn't survive the Russian parties. Going on a understandably somewhat hazy memory  of such things, the Russians would consider American parties just a snifter.
 
No, I was thinking about the politics conducted at those cocktail parties.  A couple of liters of raw vodka would be the Russian's refuge from such head-spinning insanity, especially in DC.
 
 
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Originally posted by pikeshot1600

Originally posted by rider

Russia allying with the US? I can't see that happening unless Russia stages a coup in the States (I wouldn't be surprised). 
 
LOL   The Russians would be driven insane by the hopeless complexity of American politics....both outside and inside the Pentagon!  None of them would survive the cocktail parties.  Wink
 
 
I assume you mean the Americans couldn't survive the Russian parties. Going on a understandably somewhat hazy memory  of such things, the Russians would consider American parties just a snifter.
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Originally posted by rider

Russia allying with the US? I can't see that happening unless Russia stages a coup in the States (I wouldn't be surprised). 
 
LOL   The Russians would be driven insane by the hopeless complexity of American politics....both outside and inside the Pentagon!  None of them would survive the cocktail parties.  Wink
 
 
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Russia allying with the US? I can't see that happening unless Russia stages a coup in the States (I wouldn't be surprised). 
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Well, that's relatively easy. China and the EU have no problem outbribing the Security Council. The US is too broke to compete[1] and Russia can't match either China or the EU with spending overseas, the regime isn't secure enough to do so.
 
[1] As was evident in the SC negotiations in the run-up to the Iraq war.
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Originally posted by gcle2003

Who can stop them doing what?


Call the shots in international politics.
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Originally posted by Bankotsu

I sometimes wonder why doesn't USA and Russia join forces to form the most powerful bloc in the world.

Now USA and NATO on one side, Russia and China on the other.

How about a USA and Russian alliance?

Who can stop them?
 
Who can stop them doing what?
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