Historical Rivalries

Please ignore Ardashir Murtaza, I hope he'll be banned soon.

Oh thank you for correcting me, Turkey is not up to par with Greece, so there is no way they can be rivals. Greece has huge economic possibilities being in the E.U., and this is something Turkey can have.

Your welcome. But you didnt realize the main point. We cant be rivals because our historical backgrounds, current situations arent shaped by rivalry. They are shaped by Turkish dominiance...

j/k, no need to take it seriously strategos, we dont want to be rivals with Greeks because brothers shouldnt be rivals to each other, we should walk together on the same path as bros, not as rivals.

Long live trans- Aegean brotherhood...

Originally posted by Mixcoatl The Belgians are the victims of many jokes in the Netherlands, but we don't really hate them. A research was once made. The most popular foreign people are Belgians (while the Dutch were the most impopular foreign people in Belgium ). The most impopular used to bo the Germans, but last years they're rapidly gaining popularity. I forgot the most impopular foreign people now, but I think it's the Americans or French (or perhaps Turks or Moroccans, because there many of them here).

Hurrah

Originally posted by Oguzoglu There is no rivalry btw Turks and Greeks, or Turks and Cypriots. As I mentioned before, rivaliries appear btw equivalent powers and backgrounds. So Greeks cant be our rivals, even if they desperately fight for it. Yes, there is a republic in Cyprus whose population is %99 Greek. We call it Greek Republic of Southern Cyprus. Originally, the island's population is consisted of %18 Turks, and the rest is Greeks, but we own 1/3 of the island. That's why we cant be rivals... Turks and Russians are historical rivals. Ottomans and Safevids are also historical rivals, so Iran is another rival of ours. Our ancient rivals were Chinese and even Romans.

The Chinese and Romans were not seeing Turks (=Proto Turks and later Turks) as their rivals but only as savage nomads which must be just keep them out of their civilized countries.(like microbes must be keep out of the body).You can't compare settled-civilized peoples such as Romans,Chinese,Iranians,Greeks with non-civilized horse-rider savages such as Turks,Mongols,Huns,.....

Of course,now,thanks to the first and last nobel Jew of the human history,Mr.Kemal ,the Turkish nation have became a civilized nation and fortonatley they have intended to leave their yurts and enter the cities,even if these cities had been the houses of Greeks and Armenians! The important issue is that eventually the humans can feel free of Turk-o-Mongolian invasions.

About the Cyprus,one day in future,you should leave it! I assure you! Greeks are a thinking race and eventually they will liberate the occupied Northern Cyprus (if not Smyrni and Constantinopolis!)

 

Originally posted by Mortaza no, Turk soldiers entered because of people like you. They tried to kick Turkish  Cypriot out, because They dont think they are cypriot. Only greeks ones have right to be called cypriot. So Turkey just showed them, They are cypriot. And Instead of learning this, You are  still insisting your mistake. God job.  Your  rival is common sense. It looks like you opened a war against it.

Well, there is a Cypurs republic, which is 99% Greek, so Cyprus is mostly Greek and greeks have a rivalry with Turks. One that nonsense of a "state" in the north joins into one country, the rivalry will still exsist. If joined, the population will still be great majority greek, especially once all these anatolian turkish "settlers" go back to turkey. Just because the population is not fully greek this means there cannot be a rivalry with turkey?

no, Turk soldiers entered because of people like you. They tried to kick Turkish  Cypriot out, because They dont think they are cypriot. Only greeks ones have right to be called cypriot. So Turkey just showed them, They are cypriot. And Instead of learning this, You are  still insisting your mistake. God job.  Your  rival is common sense. It looks like you opened a war against it.

 

 

 

 

Serbia vs Albania + Dardania

I think our piliticians have done good job in keeping good relations with the other balkan countries!

 

 

Rivals:

British/French

British/Irish

Northern Ireland/Ireland

Greeks/Turks

Cypriots/Turks

Muslims/Jews

Bush/Osama

 

Originally posted by Idanthyrus A rivalry for tommorow, Australia vs. Indonesia.

But Indonesians don't play cricket or rugby do they? Don't tell me they play Australian Rules.

Slavians vs Albanians

Not really, replace "Slav" with Serb. Us Albanians like Croats and actively travel there, there were Albanians who volunteered in the Croatian army and fought on against the Serbs. There also Also Albo's who fought with the Bosniaks. not to mention we took in plenty of Balkan Catholics from Herzegovina way back and took in the recent turmoil. Many of them have become Albs today though. We also dont have bad relations between Montenegrins, not good, but I wouldnt say bad either.

As for rivalries in Albania.

Serbs are already mentioned.

The rest is pretty much between each other. Historically it has often been Ghegs versus Tosks. then its also been Catholics versus muslims with Ghegs and Orthodox versus muslims with Tosks. Both the Orthodox and the Catholics didnt care much for each other. However all united, except for the few here and there who went with the Montenegrins and Greeks, during our national awakening.
One thing I am thankful though, is that Communism destroyed these old barriers and intermixed the people. Now you have many families with Christian and Muslim parents. Both parents are usually apathetic toward their religion, but the muslims are far more. Anndddd, thats about it...

Turkey without doubt.Not because of 400 years of slavery rapings and massacres only,but because untill today they occupy part of Cyprus ,they want to put their noses in our Agean sea,they violate Greek airspace every day(not joking), and few months ago their Turkish ships were entering in our sea.But oh well who doesnt dislike the Turks anyway The second for Greece must be America and their English puppets as well for various reasons.Generaly we don't really like the western so called ''advanced'' countries and we are more sympathetic to the poor eastern muslims which are being slaughtered by the so called ''civilized'' countries.

Wow, a Greek considering my country as his rival. It is a shame for us if we gave such impression to you. Unfortunately, you cannot choose your rivals. As you know, rivalries happen btw equivalent forces, equal powers, like "families who are same in dignity". But unfortunately, when those levels of power and historical background arent very related at all, you cannot be our rivals, even if you wish desperately.

For example in Turkey, Galatasaray and Fenerbahce are rival soccer clubs. They have a historical background of nearly equivalent powers and competing. Today, you cannot figure out how would their matches would end, with which scores, because power balances are very important, this is what makes them important rivals, like Olympiakos and Panathinaikos Leofros in Greece. But as you know, Hacilar Erciyes SK cannot be a rival of Galatasaray like Xanthi cannot be a rival of Panat. didnt they have thousands of matches btw them before? Werent they trying to beat each other in all the past matches? But the difference appeares in the main point of rivalry, power and background. Panathinaikos doesnt want to be a rival of Xanthi, because it plays for the cup. But Xanthi wants to be a rival of Panat, because it plays for the premier league.

That is the same situation btw Greece and Turkey. Yes, Persians were your rivals once, like we also were during the Seljuk and earlier Ottoman periods. But today, such rivalry doesnt exist, cannot exist. You know what I mean. Believe me, we dont care about a bunch of thousands of Greek nationalist hating us, all day thinking about rebirth, and so much caring about us. Because we have lots of other, more important issues, like feeding a population of 70 million, like improving our country than dealing with the inferiority complexed nationalist bugs of an ex subject. It is like Panathinaikos doesnt caring about funny Xanthi fans' dreams and insults, because they play for the cup...