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Just an extra piece on Gwallawg's battles also possibly matching the battles of Arthur.

 

I wish to give a possible example of wholesale all 9 battles as a set recycling/lifting rather than single battles recycling/lifting.
In the case of the Pa Gur the 9 battles sites are apparently the same sites/battles (as ones of Nennius/HB), but in the case of Taliesin's battles of Gwallawg (Song on Lleenawg) they are apparently different sites (though corresponding to the HB/Nennius/Arthur ones). Yet there does seem a parallel between Gwallawg's and "Arthur's" (Aurelius'/Ambrosius'?). Gwallawg was either copying or was semi-artifically compared/corresponded to the 9 battles of Arthur/Ambrosius.

Gwallawg - Arthur (HB) - Arthur (PG) - Arthur/Aurelius (actual):
(1 pleasant plain of Lleenawg ~ 1 Glein - 1 Tribruit 1 - 1 Burgh/Yarmouth)
(2a bush of Maw & Eiddyn ~ 2 Dubglas - 2 Eidyn 1 - 2 Othona/Bradwell/Maldon)
(2b Clydwyn ~ London??)
1 Agathes "good, virgin martyr" ~ 1 Glein "pure/clear" - 1 Tribruit 1 - 1 Yarmouth/Burgh
(1 Agathes ~ 8 Agned/Castle of Maidens - 8 Ystawinguin - 8 Pevensey/Anderida)
2 Bretrewyn ~ 2 Dubglas - 2 Eidyn 1 - 2 Othona/Bradwell
(2 Bretrewyn ~ 8 Breguoin - 8 Ystawinguin - 8 Pevensey/Anderida)
3/3a Aeron ~ 3 Bassas - 4/3 Afarnach - 4 Reculver
4/3b Arddunion "fortress height" ~ 5 Guinnion - 6 Mt Eidyn/Eidyn 2 - 6 Dover
5/4 wood of Beit ~ 4 Celidon - 3/4 Celli - 3 Weald/Coldrum/Kit'sCoty
6/5 Mabon (hunter/Gwallawg/Owen) ~ 4 Celidon? - 3/4 Celli? - 3 Weald?
7/6 Gwensteri, Lloegyr ~ 6 Legions - 5 Dissethach - 5 Richborough
8/7 marsh of Terra ~ 7 Tribruit - 7 Tribruit 2 - 7 Lympne/Romney/Stutfall.
(8/9 end of wood of Oleddyfein ~ 8 Agned/Bregion - 8 Ystawinguin - Pevensey/Anderida?)
(8/9 end of wood of Oleddyfein ~ 9 Badon - 9 Mon/"Anglesey - 9 Adurni/Portchester?)
(Eiddyn 1/2, Prydain ~ ?)
(retreat of Brecheinawc, Gafran ~ Avalon? Broceliande?)

If they weren't definitely different persons/times/places i would have thought Arthur was Gwallawg.
Taliesin's Gwallawg battles piece possibly seems to imply that Maelgwn fought the last 1/2/3 of the HB battles?

There are a few numbering uncertainties of the battles.
(I may be wrong separating "Aeron and Arddunnion", and i may be wrong uniting Beit and Mabon?
Mabon i was not sure of the match, but being a hunter may be Celidon? May also relate as a "divine youth" to Merlin Wylt/Sylvestris/Caledonis? Though not sure if Taliesin means different battle (site) to Beit?)

If we only number by ones actually stated to be a battle then Agathes and Bretrewyn as 1st and 2nd would corrsepond to Glein/Tritbuit 1 and Dubglas/Eidyn 1.
Bretrewyn's meaning may not match Dubglas / Othona/Bradwell/Maldon though? There is a Lleenawg before them which sounds/looks abit like Glein, but it isn't said/implied to be a battle, though it is a "defence" so may be.

Some orthodox scholars have suggested that Breguoin of Nennius/Arthur is lifted from Bretrewyn of Taliesin/Gwallawg.
Agathes & Bretrewyn may be similar to Bregion/Breguoin & Agned/Castle of Maidens, but they are in a different place/order (which i am not sure if is so, and if so then why so). Not sure if Taliesin allows for Agathes & Bretrewyn to be same battle site though? (They may be different battles at same site, first one was a defence, which would parallel earlier Anderida/Pevensey massacre and later Bregion/Agned battle?)
If they are the same then we see that the lifting/recycling was the other way around, because Gwallawg is after "Arthur"; and we see that the 9 battles are a genuine set of 9, not composite, because not just lifted one/few but correspondence of all 9; and we see that the HB one is not same actual battle/site as the Gwallawg one, only parallel.

Our tentative numbering re matching with the number 9 of HB/PG are: 1 Lleenawg, 2 Eiddyn, [8a Agathes, 8b Bretrewyn,] 3 Aeron, 4 Arddunion, 5a Beit, 5b Mabon, 6 Gwensteri, 7 Terra, 9 Oleddyfein.

[Note: Battles/sites 3 & 4 cross-switched between Arthur's (HB) & Gwallawg's (Taliesin).]

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