- both fort/castle match, - both St Mary (church) match?? - Galafort first christian stronghold in Britain matches Dover & Gwenwissa [& Guinnion cross] - Galafort connected with Celidoine matches "Guinnion in Caledon wood" in Irish, & Weald called Caledonian. - tower of marvels & Dover lighthouse match (compare the "tower" in Modena Archivolt)? - sign of the cross (on door) matches cross of Guinnion/"Badon" (& Gwenwisa/Dover?) - owned by Meleagant's sister might match that the Modena Archivolt which seems to show Dover lighthouse and mentions "Guinevere" [Guinnion?] and Mardoc/"Melwas/Meleagant"/"mordred". [- grail may possibly connect with glass vessel at Dover?]
matches between "Snowdon" & Guinnion/Eidyn 2/Dover - both snow/white: Snowdon "snow hill" / Yseut "white", Guinnion "white", Dover "white" / Albion "white" / Snowdown. - both hill: Snowdon "snow hill", mynydd Eidyn, cliffs/heights/downs Dover, HB Guinnion ~ AC Badon which is a hill/mount? [- went from Carlion to Isneldone matches our "Snowdon"/Guinnion/Dover not far from our city of the legion/Richborough.] [- one of 3 renowned cities may match 3 cities Reculver, Richborough, Dover (or 3 settlements Celidon, Guinnion, Legions in OToole's theory), or 3 towns Kent in Roman source?] - "Snowdon West implies a Snowdon East".
matches between "Snowdon" & "Windsor" - both Yseut; - both RT; - both castles; - both snow/white/gwyn?; - both match Guinnion/Eidyn/Dover.
matches between Saxon Rock and Guinnion/Eidyn/Dover: - narrows Godalente ~ straits Dover - lofty/rock ~ cliffs/heights/downs Dover - fortress/castle ~ fort Guinnion & castro/fort Dover - both "Saxon/s" - [fine hunting grounds Arestal] ~ weald, & Guinnion in caledon wood in Irish
The Modena Archivolt sculpture seemingly shows Dover/Guinnion: * Galvarium/Galvariun/"Galeschin"/[Galahad] = calvary = cross bourne by Arthur? * Winlogee/wenlowen/gwendoloena /"Guinevere"/Gwenhwyfar/[Guanhumara] = Mary [Mara] bourne by Arthur. Winlogee = Guinnion "white/holy" (cp "Windsor", "Winchester"/Guintonhi) Winlogee ~ Guamhumara = humeros/shoulder? * shield (of Galgavin(us)/waluuanii/"Gawain") = Arthur's shield/shoulder. * "castle" / "tower" / 2 towers = looks like Dover lighthouse/pharos (when i compared them side by side). 2 lightouses Dover? castle/tower = fort/castellum Guinnion & St Mary in Castro church (&/or is Dover SS fort). [* It looks like it is on raised height like Dover (cliffs/heights/downs) & Eidyn?] * Artus de/of Bretannia/Britain: cp Ardus "height" (Snowdon ("snow hill")), cp Santa Maria de Bretona (also linked with Guinnon/Dover). [Magnamous Arthur = (Great) Britain/Britons/British bears = Albion = Dover = Guinnion/Arthur's shoulder/shield.] * Burmaltus/Durmart le Galois ~ St Maritn le Grand? & fort? &/or Mardoc/"Melwas/Meleagant"/"mordred" = St Martin le Grand? [Guinnion?] ["Summer Country" ["Somerset/Glastonbury"] ~ south?] ["Mardoc ~ Gwyn" ~ Guinnion?] * Kay/Che = Romans/Caesar? Cursalen of Kaicester [Dover/Guinnion]? * date 1100/1120-40/12th cent is close to some other related sources (Pa Gur? Liber Floridus? before/Geoff of Mon?) [* 12 months ~ 12 battles?] * the castle/tower is in centre flanked by charging knights ~ may match Guinnion is middle of 9 battle sites? * Carrado ~ Cerdic? [Refs: J Shoaf, Wiki, Modena Archivolt, HB, PG.]
Note on Hwiterne / Dover match criticism: - some pros for the orthodox Whithorn (Galloway) location and cons for our Dover/Guinnion location include: Bede mentions Bernicia and Angles; Mac Erca connected with Whithorn. However we have alot of possible pros for our site: - "Bede's information is minimal and he does not claim it as fact, asserting only that he is passing on "traditional" information." "Bede's account serves to support the legitimacy of the new Northumbrian bishopric." "... all provide seemingly innocuous personal details about his life. However, there is no unchallenged historical evidence to support any of their stories, and all sources had political and religious agendas...." Bede is disputed by some scholars on other points (like Pictish matrilineal). - sources say the evidence at Whithorn (Wigtownshire/Galloway) for Ninnian being there then is scanty. Do "many more saints rest at" Whithorn? Ninnian was buried at Hwiterne (in stone sarcophagus near altar of church). [Compare the Dover Painted House sarcophagus/skeleton? (though may be too late?)] Have they found him/that there in their "block buster" excavations (report)? - Even their Ninian's "4th century" date is uncertain/disputed. Allthough the ASC says Ninnian was "long before" Columba, the 560/565 ASC/Ethelwerd date and/or the St Martin of Galicia's death date of 580 is/are close to our Guinnion &/or Badon dates of 538 &/or 554 (and the date of Santa Maria de Bretona). - Hwiterne/hwitaern/Wytterna/Futarna/Whithorn / (ad) Candida(m) Casa(m) "shining/(glittering) white + house/hut" matches Dover to a tee (white fort, white cliffs/Albion, white downs) & Guinnion/"white"/*Alborum. ["White house" would imply a good reason for the name. Maybe i am influenced by the one in US though? If Hwiterne is the Whithorn at Galloway then way was it called white house? Though, the pro-Whithorn crowd claim it was possibly from the whitewash/painted.] (Was Whithorn also called candida casa not just Hwiterne (even though they mean the same)?) Compare drumalbin/dorsum Albionis(Grampians)? The name Hwiterne is also similar to Bitterne (Clausentum/Southampton) [&/or Fretherne]? (Note Badon/Portchester &/or Clausentum, and Guinnion/Dover are connected.) - the ("small") stone (or "wooden") church &/or "(white) house" built "after the Roman manner" may fit either St Martin Le Grand at Dover, the lighthouse/Bedenstone, &/or Pictish Palace?. - the church situated on the shore could fit Dover (though the cliffs maybe may not match) . - St Martin's church/see at Hwiterne matches St Martin le Grand at Dover &/or St Martin at Canterbury. (Is there one at Whithorn/"Taigh Mhartainn"?) -St Martin was in France alot further from Galloway than Dover. - Ninnian also has connections with Galicia which is alot further from Galloway than Kent. [Martin of Galicia. Ninnian's mother Spanish princess.] Galicia has other connections with Dover/Guinnion (Santa Maria de Bretona). - "Southern (Picts)" may better match south Britain than just south Scotland? "southern regions", "on this side" (compare southumbrians and northumbrians)? Bede says the northern/southern division was by separated by jagged ranges of mountains "Drumalbin/dorsum Albionis (Grampians/Mounth)". Albion/Alban clearly connects with Dover. Southern in Roman or Briton or Saxon (Hwiterne is in ASC/Ethelwerd) is south of the Wall(s)? (Contrast their "north of Hadrian's Wall".) South of the (Old) North? Northern Picts/Northern Scots at Iona. - there is evidence from other sources that "(Southern) Picts" may not be the common ones of Scotland but have matches in the south. People can dismiss these sources as "literary" or "late" but they have to dis/prove the actual details. "Kay of Pictland", yet Kay seems rather connected with Caius/Caesar & Roman southeast (in Pa Gur etc). "Arthur dux/leader of the Picts", yet Arthur seems rather southeast quarter. (Even the Roman dux was south of the wall?) "Pictish Palace" yet that palace seems rather in south-east, maybe at Dover (perhaps St Martin le Grand, or Painted House?) Picts killed Constantine at Vortigerns bidding. Picards in France. Weald was called sylva Caledonia in Roman source (Caesar don't go much further than maybe London). Picts just means painted/dyed/tattooed like Crutihne/Pretanikoi/Britons also means. "Loch Lumonoy/Lomond was in country of Picts", yet the Wonders say it was in Britain (and not in Scotland wonders) and it seems to rather match Lympne/Romney of Kent/E Sussex not loch Lomond of Scotland. The "Southern Picts" of Hwiterne "white house" (St Martin) seemingly may be Dover (St Martin) [Guinnion] and not Galloway. "O'Connor denies that Ninnian converted the picts on these grounds [Galloway was called Valentia by Romans and Britons]"? P & Q Celts? Belgae ~ fir Bolg? Or compare Pict and [Vectis]/Wight? - Nynias/Ninnian's/Ringan's/Trynnian's name might even possibly connect with Nennius/[Nynniaw], or Viviane/Vivien (Arthurian ie Britain/Lloegria), St Finnian (who may link with Guinnion in name or nature [another whole long article i am not writing!])? "There is as yet no unchallenged connection of the historical record to the person who was Bede's Ninian." "Nothing is known about his [Ninnian's] teachings, and there is no unchallenged authority for information about his life. A link between the Ninian of tradition and a person who actually appears in the historical record is not yet confirmed...." [Maybe compare St Andrew and King Arthur may also be connected.] - Ninian was a Briton / "of the nation of the Britons". The church was "unusual among the Britons". "but if Bede's narrative is true, the Britons must have been driven from this region, when the wall was built at least 20 years before the coming of Ninnian." [Perhaps also compare Iona "appertains to the sovereignty of Britain"?] Ninnian had contacts with Wales? - "St Martin" & or King Tuduvallus &/or Ninian's christian king father might be Arthur? (Leon Mintz's paper tentatively showed connections between Ares/Mars and St Martin and Arthur/Merlin.) [Mac Erca who fought battle at Whithorn also has been compared with Arthur.] - the Book of Hours of the Virgin & St Ninnian recalls Mary of Guinnion (of Arthur of Nennius). - the miracles/miracula of Ninnian sound like the Wonders/Miracles/Mirabilibus of Britain of "Nennius"? (Yeah the academics will jump on the different words miracula and mirabilibus to make out i am just a dumb/wrong amateur lay person and they are smart/right, as they as they always offensively do. I may be wrong on this, but they are wrong how they offend non-academics.) [St Ninnian's Cave (Glassteron) may recall the wind cave of the Wonders" or Iltud's cave?] - Ninnian gone to"Rome" might be Rutupi/city of the legion called "2nd Rome"? - Aelred's "source written in a "barbarous language"" sounds similar to Arthurian mentions of similar sources (Geoff of Monmouth, etc). - his/the bell Clog-rinny ("from heaven") recalls one in Saints Lives that mention Arthur. - the harper builder of his church recalls David &/or Merlin. - (smith Terna &) son Wyn recalls Guinnion. - the 'Whithorn Crozier' [&/or Monreith Cross? &/or Holyrood?] is possibly reminiscent of the Cross Arthur bore at Guinnion (which has (half) a dozen matches with Dover). [Refs: St Ailred 'Vita St Ninian' 1160, Bk of Hours, anonymous 'Miracula Nyniae Episcopi' 9th Cent, Bede EH bk 3 chapt 4 c731, Usher 'Brittanicarum E. A.'/'Life of Ninnian' (1639), Skene, Capgrave, John of Tinmouth c1366, John Colgan, O'Connor, ASC/Ethelwerd 560s entry, Wiki, Historum posters, [Anna Ritchie], Irish 'Life of Ninian', B Walker, Hill's Whithorn dig.]