Planet of the Arabs
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Topic: Planet of the Arabs
Posted By: Afghanan
Subject: Planet of the Arabs
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2006 at 14:09
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You know there has been recent uproar over a Turkish movie that has the American actors Billy Zane (from Titanic) and Gary Busey (Predator 2, I'm with Busey) and conservatives are calling the actors traitors for being in it. It's called "Valley of the Wolves - Iraq"
In the movie, it shows the US as oppressors in Iraq, and the Turkish soldiers as heroes, in the classical Turkish sense. Sure it's blatant Pro-Turkish movie and anti-US invasion of Iraq, but hasn't Hollywood done worse as to how it portrays Arabs and Muslims in general? Watch this quick documentary about Arab stereotypes in Hollywood: http://www.jsalloum.org/planet3.wmv - http://www.jsalloum.org/planet3.wmv Valley of the Wolves will look like a Shirley Temple movie compared to the propaganda Hollywood pushes out. ------------- The perceptive man is he who knows about himself, for in self-knowledge and insight lays knowledge of the holiest. ~ Khushal Khan Khattak |
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Posted By: DayI
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2006 at 15:16
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valley of the wolves compared with hollysh*twood films like midnight express and many various gulf war movies wich stereotyped arabs and vietnameze war movies is near nothing.... ------------- Bu mıntıka'nın Dayı'sı http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://www.allempires.com/forum/uploads/DayI/2006-03-17_164450_bscap021.jpg - |
Posted By: Mira
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2006 at 15:31
Oohh, yeah! I saw the poster of that movie plastered all over the
place in Istanbul. I liked the guy on the poster 
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Posted By: Mila
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2006 at 16:11
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That's scary. ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2006 at 16:29
yeh dera manana afghanan ror. Anyways, I just wanna say that, it was
good choice of music there with slayer. Its been a long time I
heard that song.
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Posted By: Iranian41ife
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2006 at 17:31
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was that seen where the americans start killing the crowd of iraqi's from the roof tops from "valley of the wolves iraq"? anyway, hollywood makes fun of everyone, not just arabs. and all those seens were compiled over 20 or more years of movies, that clip is misleading, there was like 10 movies in total, they were just using scenes out of context and from the same movies. i admit it is wrong, but that clip is also misleading.
------------- "If they attack Iran, of course I will fight. But I will be fighting to defend Iran... my land. I will not be fighting for the government and the nuclear cause." ~ Hamid, veteran of the Iran Iraq War |
Posted By: Illuminati
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2006 at 17:50
There's a scene like that in the movie "Rules of Engagement". It takes place in Yemen though ------------- |
Posted By: Mila
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2006 at 17:51
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No, it's from an American movie. I forget which one...
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Posted By: Iranian41ife
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2006 at 18:01
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o ok. thanks. ------------- "If they attack Iran, of course I will fight. But I will be fighting to defend Iran... my land. I will not be fighting for the government and the nuclear cause." ~ Hamid, veteran of the Iran Iraq War |
Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2006 at 21:56
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3 kings?
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Posted By: azimuth
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 01:26
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Hollywood should rename itself to Jewhood ------------- 
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Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 02:41
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Jollywood?
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Posted By: azimuth
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 02:46
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Jewlywood
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Posted By: Halevi
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 06:14
Funny. I admit that there are a lot of us in hollywood, its true. As i dislike hollywood in general, i find that a bit embarassing. We also win a lot of nobel prizes, though, and have produced a lot of pretty bright academics. There are pros and cons to being a successful minority (ask the Chinese in southeast Asia). However, i gotta tell you, the average non-Jewish American (or Canadian for that matter) is no keener on Arabs than the average Jew. At least we Jews have some greater understanding of your culture and beliefs (sadly, largely do to exposure via the conflict in Israel/Palestine) ... Most Americans think you guys are crazy people who all live in tents, and still cut each others heads off with swords... they have very little understanding of your religion or culture .... (as opposed to Israeli jews for instance, at least half of whom were born in Muslim countries, or are descended from Jews that were). BTW, i just finished watching season 4 of the American series '24'. Sometimes i can put aside stupid plots and stereotypes for entertainment's sake. This time, though, i just couldnt take it. First of all, the 'terrorists' were supposedly Turkish this time. The head-honcho, though, was called 'Habib Marwan'. Nice Turkish name, eh ? ; ) One 'Turkish' terrorist family was played by a Hispanic and two Persians. Their names were inconsistently Turkish and Persian ('Navi' ... [is this even Turkish?], 'Dina' and 'Behrooz')... they spoke English amongst themselves, sometimes with a Persian accent (especially Shohreh Aghdaashloo, the Persian who played the 'Turkish' terrorist-Mom) At one point, a clueless white American computer programmer stumbles on 'computer code' written in a foreign language that "looks like turkish or arabic or something." The idiot producers of 24 assumed Turkish is written in Arabic script, and didnt even bother to check. There's also a scene where the hero (Jack Bauer) stumbles on a 'Turkish terrorist hideout' ... on the wall are scribbles which i imagine are supposed to look like Arabic script. They're not. They're literally just scribbles. The depth of mainstream North American ignorance is astounding. ------------- "Your country ain't your blood. Remember that." -Santino Corelone |
Posted By: Halevi
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 06:29
Good movie. Much fairer represenation of Arabs than the usual mindless mainstream. 'Spy Game' with Brad Pitt and Robert Redford, is another good example. The best thus far, however, is, in my opinion 'Syriana'. Awsome, awsome movie. I was very happy that so many North Americans were exposed to it. Anyone seen it? ------------- "Your country ain't your blood. Remember that." -Santino Corelone |
Posted By: SearchAndDestroy
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 10:26
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I think it all depends what kind of movie it is. You brought up Syriana which is a Political Thriller, based on a real man from what I heard. So that kind of movie is going to be serious about getting details right. The others are shoot'em up, kill everything insight and be the hero of the day. American movies used to stereo-type Russians when the Soviets were the big bad guys. But even with these movies about Muslims, they usually show those who are against the violence and those who are extremist. Like the movie the Seige, which I think they showed a clip in that little video with the women being held at gun point. In the movie one of the main characters is muslim. ------------- "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." E.Abbey 
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Posted By: Fizzil
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 10:47
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Hey where you from Halevi? I'm just curious so don't take it in the wrong direction |
Posted By: DayI
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 15:01
Btw you have to watch this; http://rapidshare.de/files/4281999/snl-suspectedterrorists-robertdeniro.wmv.html - http://rapidshare.de/files/4281999/snl-suspectedterrorists-r obertdeniro.wmv.html
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Posted By: Illuminati
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 15:09
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the same kinds of movies are made about Americans in Muslim countries. I don't see how anyone can really complain about Hollywood. I laugh everytime Muslims whine about Hollywood. Such hypocrites. America makes movies, and Muslims have their "Death to America" marches. No one has any moral high ground here. And, i laugh everytime someone claims hollywood is ran by the Jews. The ignorance of that kind of statement is amazing. The last big Jew movie to come out of Hollywood was "Munich" and it was made by a Jew. It was condemned by Israel as being too anti-Jewish, but yet people still claim hollywood is very pro-Jewish. If that were true then why was the biggest criticizm of "Munich" by Hollywood, that it was too pro-Israeli???? ------------- |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 15:31
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It may be true that Holywood makes a lot of stupid films concerning
russia-phobia 20 years ago, and arab-phobia however none of these
films are respected and none of them is the highest budget film ever
made in the US (while Valley of the Wolves is the highest budget film
in Turkey, and is regarded by many as the best Turkish movie...) I think the movie is crap...and just introduces more hatred towards Americans, just like Midnight Express introduced hatred for the Turks ------------- |
Posted By: Halevi
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 15:38
True, except that Americans live in a democratic society with a supposedly 'modern' education system. In theory, this could give them a bit of perspective. Usually, however, it doesnt. You're right. (BTW we can all still complain about it... we western Jews included!)
First of all, i would agree that Hollywood isn't "controlled" by jews in the conspirational sense. Too many egos for there to be any sort of conspiracy... its a ridiculous and immature idea. That being said, it is simply fact that there are a disproportionate number of Jews in the North American entertainment industry (relative to their proportion of the total population) ... we just have a cultural penchant for the entertainment business, much like greeks seem to have a cultural penchant for the restaurant business... Finally, just because you are Jewish, doenst mean you are die-hard Likudnik pro-Israel, nor does it mean you hate Arabs or Muslims. I offer myself as an example to anyone who claims otherwise. ------------- "Your country ain't your blood. Remember that." -Santino Corelone |
Posted By: Halevi
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 15:47
I'm from Canada. ------------- "Your country ain't your blood. Remember that." -Santino Corelone |
Posted By: Loknar
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 17:52
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That 'movie was a series of clips taken from various Hollywood movies. That one part where it is dark and those two kids are hiding "watch out, there are Arabs out there" was from the film Exodus. However, there was 1 very good clip. The part on the airplane where the girl says "you shouldn’t affiliate your selves with a group that murdered 6 million Jews." referring to the Palestinian terrorists aligning them selves with neo Nazi groups which was extremely prevalent in the 60s and 70s. And Hollywood is controlled by Homosexuals, how else do you explain a movie like Brokeack mountain gaining such notoriety when so many other films grossed more money? |
Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 17:54
But is it the movie with the scene in wuestion, with the Americans shooting from the rooftop into the crowd? ------------- Arrrgh!!"
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Posted By: Halevi
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 18:02
No, that's Rules of Engagement, with Samuel L. Jackson. It was so-so. ------------- "Your country ain't your blood. Remember that." -Santino Corelone |
Posted By: Spartakus
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 18:13
------------- "There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them. " --- Joseph Alexandrovitch Brodsky, 1991, Russian-American poet, b. St. Petersburg and exiled 1972 (1940-1996) |
Posted By: Afghanan
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 23:53
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C'mon man Back to the Future was a box office hit. I liked watching that video when "Doc" and "Marty" are running away from the Libyans. Was that around the time of the flight Pan-Am disaster? ------------- The perceptive man is he who knows about himself, for in self-knowledge and insight lays knowledge of the holiest. ~ Khushal Khan Khattak |
Posted By: Vamun Tianshu
Date Posted: 10-Mar-2006 at 00:09
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How about Syriana?That was a Pro-Arab Film,starring one of Hollywood's biggest Stars,George Clooney! Kingdom of Heaven was also an excellent film.It was almost Anti-Christian and Pro-Muslim in some respects. ------------- 
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It even sympathizes the Middle Eastern point of view,and it was even Oscar-Worthy!I don't see the point.They're only movies.Sometimes they are political,sometimes emotional,and sometimes entertaining.You can't take that fact away.I'll be making movies for this "Hollywood" you people speak of someday,hopefully.I hope you don't critique my films the wrong way like you are now.Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 10-Mar-2006 at 00:27
the plot of Back to the Future didnt dance around how terrible the Libyans or Arabs are...it is just one scene, many American films make fun various stereotypes...I thought you would come up with a better example than "back to the future"  ------------- |
Posted By: Halevi
Date Posted: 12-Mar-2006 at 05:06
I generally agree with you Vamun, but Kingdom of Heaven fricking SUCKED. ------------- "Your country ain't your blood. Remember that." -Santino Corelone |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 12-Mar-2006 at 09:53
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I generally agree with you Vamun, but Kingdom of Heaven fricking SUCKED" Thats kind of an understatement ------------- |
Posted By: erci
Date Posted: 12-Mar-2006 at 19:28
| nah, give them a break, they don't even know where Canada is for God's sake.Canada, their northern neighboors. |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 12-Mar-2006 at 19:30
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yes they do, "American stupidity" is also a stupid stereotype
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Posted By: Fizzil
Date Posted: 13-Mar-2006 at 17:11
Oh, i thought you were from Isreal, i had some discussions with really educated isrealis, and they seem far more pro-arab than europe and america combined I'm exeggerating a bit i think.. |