Print Page | Close Window

a nation’s contributions to Science and Technology

Printed From: History Community ~ All Empires
Category: General History
Forum Name: General World History
Forum Discription: All aspects of world history, especially topics that span across many regions or periods
URL: http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5017
Printed Date: 28-Mar-2024 at 09:59
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 9.56a - http://www.webwizforums.com


Topic: a nation’s contributions to Science and Technology
Posted By: Thracian
Subject: a nation’s contributions to Science and Technology
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 04:23

HERE WILL BE DESCRIBED VARIOUS NATIONS' SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNOLOGICAL ACHEVEMENTS

 

I have seen many claims and arguments about such things and it is quite interesting.




Replies:
Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 04:28
Australia: Speedos 

-------------


Posted By: Komnenos
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 08:35
Let's put the cat amongst the pigeons then!

The by far and away most important technological innovation to come from Germany, was the development of movable letter printing and the invention of a new printing press by Johann Gutenberg (1398-1468), thus enabling the mass production of books and breaking the information monopoly of the Catholic Church.




Johann Gutenberg

-------------
[IMG]http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i137/komnenos/crosses1.jpg">


Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 08:54

Iranian: Mill

Scottish:

John Logie Baird - Television

Alexander Graham Bell - Telephone

James Dewar - Dewar Flask

Wliiam K.L. Dickson - Motion picture camera

John Boyd Dunlop - Pneumatic tire

John Shepher Barron - ATM Machine

James Bowman Lindsay - Electric Lightbulb,  submarine telegraphy and arc welding 

Kirkpatrick MacMillan - rear wheel driven bicycle

Charles MacIntosh - first waterproof fabric

William Murdoch - Gas Lighting and a few other significant improvements on existing inventions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorycottish_inventors">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorycottish_inventors ">Full List



-------------


Posted By: Komnenos
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 09:04
Originally posted by Zagros

Scottish:


John Logie Baird - Television


Alexander Graham Bell - Telephone


James Dewar - Dewar Flask


Wliiam K.L. Dickson - Motion picture camera


John Boyd Dunlop - Pneumatic tire




What about the Glaswegian Fish&Chip Shop owner, Robbie McFadden, who invented the deep-fried Mars bar.
One shouldn't forget his contribution to civilisation.


Deep-fried Mars bar


Sorry, I couldn't resist that!

-------------
[IMG]http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i137/komnenos/crosses1.jpg">


Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 10:47


-------------


Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 10:57
Originally posted by Zagros

Iranian: Mill



What kind of mill? I assume it's not the hand-mill.


-------------

NO GOD, NO MASTER!


Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 11:09

The first windmills were developed to automate the tasks of grain-grinding and water-pumping and the earliest-known design is the vertical axis system developed in Persia about 500-900 A.D. The first use was apparently water pumping, but the exact method of water transport is not known because no drawings or designs -- only verbal accounts -- are available. The first known documented design is also of a Persian windmill, this one with vertical sails made of bundles of reeds or wood which were attached to the central vertical shaft by horizontal struts (see Figure 1a). A 19th Century American approximation of this panemone device is shown at the left (Figure 1b).

http://telosnet.com/wind/early.html - http://telosnet.com/wind/early.html

Wind driven.

More Iranian inventions:

• Folded steel (not sure about this one so, whomever, feel free to correct me - it was certainly proliferated West through Iran at the least as Islamic records show).

• Cable Modem

• Electricity generation from sound:

LONDON, August 5 (IranMania) - An Iranian PhD candidate at the Pasadena-based Caltech University has designed a system for electricity generation from sound waves.

http://www.iranmania.com/News/ArticleView/Default.asp?NewsCode=33966&NewsKind=Current%20Affairs - http://www.iranmania.com/News/ArticleView/Default.asp?NewsCo de=33966&NewsKind=Current%20Affairs

• Ibn Sina - too long to list - all sorts of medical contributions which were still the main point of reference until deep into the 19th century in the West.



-------------


Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 12:03
Originally posted by Zagros

More Iranian inventions:

• Folded steel (not sure about this one so, whomever, feel free to correct me - it was certainly proliferated West through Iran at the least as Islamic records show).

Folded Steel comes from China, it may have travelled to Europe via Iran, but I've never heard of Iranians using it. I believe they got something much better India.



-------------
Light blue touch paper and stand well back

http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk - http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk

http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk - http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk


Posted By: Mosquito
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 13:47
I think we had this topic before


Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 13:47

OK, thanks, the Islamic Armies proliferated it as far as Spain [from Iran] where it reached the rest of Europe.

China would explain Iran's possession of it (silk road etc).



-------------


Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 14:38

First highway - Darius the Great
First satrapy system - Darius the Great
First banking house - Darius the Great
First cheque - Darius the Great
First underground irrigation system - Darius the Great
First common coinage in history - Darius the Great
First standardization of weights and measures and the codification of commercial laws - Darius the Great
Invention of polo for both sport and combat training - Darius the Great
First universal postal service, officers of justice in every land, police force, regular system of taxation, international project (Susa), ... - Darius the Great



-------------


Posted By: Kenaney
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 14:43
Can you also wright the time he lived pls Cyrus?

-------------
OUT OF LIMIT


Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 14:43
Originally posted by Zagros

OK, thanks, the Islamic Armies proliferated it as far as Spain [from Iran] where it reached the rest of Europe.

China would explain Iran's possession of it (silk road etc).

If they ever had it I think you would be looking at the Persian Empire or the Sassanids, by Islamic times it was virtually obsolete.



-------------
Light blue touch paper and stand well back

http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk - http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk

http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk - http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk


Posted By: ArmenianSurvival
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 17:27
Armenians contributions:

Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) -- Dr. Raymond Damadian

Arshile Gorky (Vosdanik Adoian) --  Painter whose works led to the founding of the  specifically American school of Abstract Arts.

Varaztad Kazanjian -- A Father of Plastic Surgery and Harvard Professor. Pioneer of new techniques to repair damage to WWI soldiers.

Single-handle faucet -- Alex Manoogian

Rouben Mamoulian -- First to use a mobile camera, Technicolor and a multiple channel sound track.

Artem Migoyan --- Creator and namesake of "MiG" Fighter Jets of the Soviet Union and Russia.

Luther Simjian --  Inventor of Medical photography systems, Autofocus camera, Automatic Developing machine, ATM, Military flight simulator, Postage Meter.




-------------
Mass Murderers Agree: Gun Control Works!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Resistance

Քիչ Õ„Õ¶Ö„ բՔյց Õ€Õ”Õµ Õ„Õ¶Ö„Ö‰


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 17:33

First common coinage in history - Darius the Great

Wrong. Lydians, our ancestors were the ones who invented monatery and money (the first sekkah).

Hittites- The first written Peace Treaty after a War, The Treaty of Kadesh

The first usage of copper, bronze and iron was by Anatolians.

Also the modern military systems are found by MaoDun, the Turkic Hunnic leader, who is said to be Oguz Khagan.

Yoghurt- Altough not very scientific, A Turkic food, contributers to the world are Oguz and Bulgars (both Turkic).

Pox Vaccine- The formula of pox vaccine was found by an Ottoman.

El Khwarezmi- He build the principles of modern computer science, with his arithmetic works.

Ulugh Begh (Turgay)- Grandson of Timur, founder of the world's first meteorological observation station.

 

 



-------------


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 17:45
Also Mimar Sinan- an Armenian Ottoman, was the one who created the current dome style in Turkish mosques. Altough they are very simiar with Eastern Roman domes, it has its own unique style and it can reach huge weights.

-------------


Posted By: JiNanRen
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 17:51
China

Paper-Cai Lun 105 A.D.

Block Print-8th century A.D.

Moveable Print- Bi Sheng 1045 A.D.

Gunpowder-8th century A.D.

Compass-3rd century A.D.

Iron Plow-3rd century B.C.

Horse Harness-1st century B.C.

Hand Cannons-approximatedly 1250 A.D.

Crossbow-7th century B.C.

Porcelain-Pre 3th A.D.

Ship Rudder-1st century A.D.



Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 18:04

El Khwarezmi- He build the principles of modern computer science, with his arithmetic works.

Khwarezmian Iranian, born 780 died 840 - he wasn't Turkmen - they were not sedentary int he area at that time, if in the area at all.



-------------


Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 19:34
[QUOTE=Oguzoglu]


Hittites- The first written Peace Treaty after a War, The Treaty of Kadesh

/QUOTE]

Let's be fair here, it takes two to make a treaty. The Egyptians deserve half the credit.


-------------


Posted By: ill_teknique
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 20:33
Glass Mirrors Islamic Spain early eleventh century.

A variety of mechanical clocks were produced by Spanish Muslim engineers, both large and small, and this knowledge was transmitted to Europe through Latin translations of Islamic books on mechanics. These clocks were weight-driven. Designs and illustrations of epi-cyclic and segmental gears were provided. One such clock included a mercury escapement. The latter type was directly copied by Europeans during the 15th century. In addition, during the 9th century, Ibn Firnas of Islamic Spain, according to Will Durant, invented a watch-like device which kept accurate time. The Muslims also constructed a variety of highly accurate astronomical clocks for use in their observatories.

In 1454, Gutenberg developed the most sophisticated printing press of the Middle Ages. However, movable brass type was in use in Islamic Spain 100 years prior, and that is where the West's first printing devices were made
In the 1lth century al-Haytham determined virtually everything that Newton advanced regarding optics centuries prior and is regarded by numerous authorities as the "founder of optics. " There is little doubt that Newton was influenced by him. Al-Haytham was the most quoted physicist of the Middle Ages. His works were utilized and quoted by a greater number of European scholars during the 16th and 17th centuries than those of Newton and Galileo combined.
he Chinese developed saltpeter for use in fireworks and knew of no tactical military use for gunpowder, nor did they invent its formula. Research by Reinuad and Fave have clearly shown that gunpowder was formulated initially by Muslim chemists. Further, these historians claim that the Muslims developed the first fire-arms. Notably, Muslim armies used grenades and other weapons in their defence of Algericus against the Franks during the 14th century. Jean Mathes indicates that the Muslim rulers had stock-piles of grenades, rifles, crude cannons, incendiary devices, sulfur bombs and pistols decades before such devices were used in Europe. The first mention of a cannon was in an Arabic text around 1300 A.D. Roger Bacon learned of the formula for gunpowder from Latin translations of Arabic books. He brought forth nothing original in this regard.

Islam's surgeons were the first pathologists. They fully realized the nature of disease and described a variety of diseases to modern detail. Ibn Zuhr correctly described the nature of pleurisy, tuberculosis and pericarditis. Az-Zahrawi accurately documented the pathology of hydrocephalus (water on the brain) and other congenital diseases. Ibn al-Quff and Ibn an-Nafs gave perfect descriptions of the diseases of circulation. Other Muslim surgeons gave the first accurate descriptions of certain malignancies, including cancer of the stomach, bowel and esophagus. These surgeons were the originators of pathology, not Giovanni Morgagni.







Posted By: the Bulgarian
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2005 at 05:22

Bulgaria's contribution:

1. the computer - invented by John Atanasov

2. yogurt - probably discovered by the proto-bulgarians (Bulgars)

Lots more coming soon!



Posted By: babyblue
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2005 at 07:58
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri

First highway - Darius the Great
First satrapy system - Darius the Great
First banking house - Darius the Great
First cheque - Darius the Great
First underground irrigation system - Darius the Great
First common coinage in history - Darius the Great
First standardization of weights and measures and the codification of commercial laws - Darius the Great
Invention of polo for both sport and combat training - Darius the Great
First universal postal service, officers of justice in every land, police force, regular system of taxation, international project (Susa), ... - Darius the Great

are you sure the first cheque was an iranian invention, matey?



Posted By: Raider
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2005 at 08:29

Hungary:

Non-euclid geometry by Jįnos Bolyai

Base principles of the A-bomb by Leo Szilįrd

Rubik Cube by Ernõ Rubik

Electric engine by Įnyos Jedlik

Airships by Dįvid Schwartz.

Computer by Jįnos Neumann

 



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2005 at 08:30
Originally posted by the Bulgarian

Bulgaria's contribution:

1. the computer - invented by John Atanasov

2. yogurt - probably discovered by the proto-bulgarians (Bulgars)

Lots more coming soon!

Yougurt is a Turkic dish, Bulgars, Turkmens etc. were all contributers of it. Not Bulgarians.

Let's be fair here, it takes two to make a treaty. The Egyptians deserve half the credit.

No. Kadesh was prepared by Hittites.



-------------


Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2005 at 08:46

More Iranian:

• domed architecture (refer to  http://www.vohuman.org/SlideShow/Firuzabad/Firuzabad00.htm - firuzabad

• vaulted ceiling

• Rugs/Carpets

• First use of arches (Elamites)



-------------


Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2005 at 10:20

Can you also wright the time he lived pls Cyrus?

550-486 BC

Wrong. Lydians, our ancestors were the ones who invented monatery and money (the first sekkah).

Ok but I said Common Coinage.

El Khwarezmi- He build the principles of modern computer science, with his arithmetic works.

Khwarizmi, founder of Algebra and Algorithm, was not only Persian but also Zoroastrian.

are you sure the first cheque was an iranian invention, matey?


Yes, the word itself has a Persian origin.



-------------


Posted By: Kenaney
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2005 at 10:36

For Turkey:

Camera in GSM-mobiles founded by a Turkish prof in Sweden

Mimar Sinan's anti eathquake system: yayli temel taslari

For Hungary;

Chess Turk: more info http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0786407786/104-2608534-5104711?v=glance - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0786407786/104 -2608534-5104711?v=glance



-------------
OUT OF LIMIT


Posted By: Thracian
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2005 at 21:57
Originally posted by Zagros

Scottish:

James Bowman Lindsay - Electric Lightbulb,  submarine telegraphy and arc welding 

target=_blank border="0" src="smileys/smiley5.gif" Categorycottish_inventors">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorycottish_inventors ">Full List

I due believe it is Thomas Edison of America who created the first succeful lightbulb



Posted By: Thracian
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2005 at 22:00
==Oguzoglu

"Yougurt is a Turkic dish, Bulgars, Turkmens etc. were all contributers of it. Not Bulgarians."

I am sory to ask but are there any sources of proof of this?

Also John Atanasoff was of Bulgarian origin but he made this grand creation in the U.S. and also had an American assistant while building it in Iowa Unvrst.



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2005 at 05:53
Well, even its name is Turkish. I dont know if you have "gh" in Bulgarian, I guess not.

-------------


Posted By: Raider
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2005 at 05:55

Hungary:

Telephone calling center by Tivadar Puskįs.

"hallo" comes from the Hungarian phrase "Hallod?" = Do you hear this?



Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2005 at 06:35
We call yoghurt maast, all it is is pretty much off milk anyone could easily create it by accident if they forget about their milk in a certain condition.

-------------


Posted By: azimuth
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2005 at 07:22
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri

[

El Khwarezmi- He build the principles of modern computer science, with his arithmetic works.

Khwarizmi, founder of Algebra and Algorithm, was not only Persian but also Zoroastrian.

what??

his name is Abu Abdullah Muhammad bin Musa al-Khwarizmi

that doesn't sound like Zoroastrian at all.

 



-------------


Posted By: kotumeyil
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2005 at 07:41

First flight by a rocket: An Ottoman Turkish scientist Lagari Hasan Chelebi in the 17th century...

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4130&KW=first+flying - http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4130& ; ;KW=first+flying



-------------
[IMG]http://www.maksimum.com/yemeicme/images/haber/raki.jpg">


Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2005 at 07:50
Originally posted by azimuth

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri

[

El Khwarezmi- He build the principles of modern computer science, with his arithmetic works.

Khwarizmi, founder of Algebra and Algorithm, was not only Persian but also Zoroastrian.

what??

his name is Abu Abdullah Muhammad bin Musa al-Khwarizmi

that doesn't sound like Zoroastrian at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Khwarizmi - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Khwarizmi

Like all scientists in the House of Wisdom, Al-Khwarizmi wrote his works in Arabic. The historian Al-Tabari however applies the epithet Al-Majusi ("the magus") when describing him, which gives credit to claims that he was a Zoroastrian.



-------------


Posted By: kotumeyil
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2005 at 07:55

Turkish scientist Ali Erdemir invented carbon films decreasing the coefficient of friction to nearly zero:

http://www.techcommjournal.com/PDFSVol3No1/09TC9_15-16.pdf - http://www.techcommjournal.com/PDFSVol3No1/09TC9_15-16.pdf



-------------
[IMG]http://www.maksimum.com/yemeicme/images/haber/raki.jpg">


Posted By: azimuth
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2005 at 08:35
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri

Originally posted by azimuth

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri

[

El Khwarezmi- He build the principles of modern computer science, with his arithmetic works.

Khwarizmi, founder of Algebra and Algorithm, was not only Persian but also Zoroastrian.

what??

his name is Abu Abdullah Muhammad bin Musa al-Khwarizmi

that doesn't sound like Zoroastrian at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Khwarizmi - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Khwarizmi

Like all scientists in the House of Wisdom, Al-Khwarizmi wrote his works in Arabic. The historian Al-Tabari however applies the epithet Al-Majusi ("the magus") when describing him, which gives credit to claims that he was a Zoroastrian.

yea "Claims"

this is from http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Al-Khwarizmi.html - http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Al-K hwarizmi.html

We know few details of Abu Ja'far Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi's life. One unfortunate effect of this lack of knowledge seems to be the temptation to make guesses based on very little evidence. In [1] Toomer suggests that the name al-Khwarizmi may indicate that he came from Khwarizm south of the Aral Sea in central Asia. He then writes:-

But the historian al-Tabari gives him the additional epithet "al-Qutrubbulli", indicating that he came from Qutrubbull, a district between the Tigris and Euphrates not far from Baghdad, so perhaps his ancestors, rather than he himself, came from Khwarizm ... Another epithet given to him by al-Tabari, "al-Majusi", would seem to indicate that he was an adherent of the old Zoroastrian religion. ... the pious preface to al-Khwarizmi's "Algebra" shows that he was an orthodox Muslim, so Al-Tabari's epithet could mean no more than that his forebears, and perhaps he in his youth, had been Zoroastrians.

However, Rashed [7], put a rather different interpretation on the same words by Al-Tabari:-

... Al-Tabari's words should read: "Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi and al-Majusi al-Qutrubbulli ...", (and that there are two people al-Khwarizmi and al-Majusi al-Qutrubbulli): the letter "wa" was omitted in the early copy. This would not be worth mentioning if a series of conclusions about al-Khwarizmi's personality, occasionally even the origins of his knowledge, had not been drawn. In his article ([1]) G J Toomer, with naive confidence, constructed an entire fantasy on the error which cannot be denied the merit of making amusing reading.

 

 



-------------


Posted By: Kenaney
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2005 at 09:30
Originally posted by Thracian

==Oguzoglu

"Yougurt is a Turkic dish, Bulgars, Turkmens etc. were all contributers of it. Not Bulgarians."

I am sory to ask but are there any sources of proof of this?

Also John Atanasoff was of Bulgarian origin but he made this grand creation in the U.S. and also had an American assistant while building it in Iowa Unvrst.

It where the Volga Bulgars, early Turkic tribe. Now Bulgaria is more slavic then Turkic...



-------------
OUT OF LIMIT


Posted By: Jorsalfar
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2005 at 11:09

Norway

 

Skis

and "ostehųvel". Cheeseslicer in english

There are some other scientific contributions to but i cant remember them.



Posted By: Decebal
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2005 at 11:37
Originally posted by kotumeyil

First flight by a rocket: An Ottoman Turkish scientist Lagari Hasan Chelebi in the 17th century...

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4130&KW=first+flying - http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4130& ; ; ;KW=first+flying

No, actually the first flight by a rocket would be in China (fireworks). Also, Conrad Haas invented a 3 stage rocket in 1529 and flew it in 1555 in the presence of thousands of spectators in the town of Sibiu (Romania).

The Romanians also created the first jet engine plane, by Henry Coanada in 1910, and the steam engine automobile in 1880 by Dumitru Vasescu. In 1921, the Romanian Nicolae Paulescu discovered insulin, Banting then used his research and ended up with a Nobel Prize. Among other things, they also came up with the first geriatric institue in the world.



-------------
What is history but a fable agreed upon?
Napoleon Bonaparte

Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth.- Mohandas Gandhi



Posted By: kotumeyil
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2005 at 13:47
Originally posted by Decebal

Originally posted by kotumeyil

First flight by a rocket: An Ottoman Turkish scientist Lagari Hasan Chelebi in the 17th century...

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4130&KW=first+flying - http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4130& ; ; ; ;KW=first+flying

No, actually the first flight by a rocket would be in China (fireworks). Also, Conrad Haas invented a 3 stage rocket in 1529 and flew it in 1555 in the presence of thousands of spectators in the town of Sibiu (Romania).

The Romanians also created the first jet engine plane, by Henry Coanada in 1910, and the steam engine automobile in 1880 by Dumitru Vasescu. In 1921, the Romanian Nicolae Paulescu discovered insulin, Banting then used his research and ended up with a Nobel Prize. Among other things, they also came up with the first geriatric institue in the world.

But Lagari Hasan Chelebi was inside the rocket and he flew, too! 



-------------
[IMG]http://www.maksimum.com/yemeicme/images/haber/raki.jpg">


Posted By: morticia
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2005 at 17:09

Nation: U.S.

Bill Gates and Paul Allen - founders of Microsoft computer software technology

Jarvik Robert Koffler - inventor of the first artificial heart (jarvik7)

Morty




Posted By: Gavriel
Date Posted: 18-Aug-2005 at 15:10
BBC,  first TV broadcasts
DNA discovery,Francis crack 1953
Steam engine,George stephenson 1829
Telephone,Alexander graham bell 1876
Screw propellor, Robert wilson 1827
Pneumatic tyres,Robert william thompson 1845
Penicillin,Alexander fleming 1928
Radar,Robert watson-watt,1935-40




Posted By: tzar
Date Posted: 27-Aug-2005 at 04:06
Originally posted by Kenaney

Originally posted by Thracian

==Oguzoglu

"Yougurt is a Turkic dish, Bulgars, Turkmens etc. were all contributers of it. Not Bulgarians."

I am sory to ask but are there any sources of proof of this?

Also John Atanasoff was of Bulgarian origin but he made this grand creation in the U.S. and also had an American assistant while building it in Iowa Unvrst.

It where the Volga Bulgars, early Turkic tribe. Now Bulgaria is more slavic then Turkic...

And because now we are most slavic than turkish it's means that yougourt isn't bulgarian?! 



-------------
Everybody listen only this which understands.


Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 30-Aug-2005 at 21:28
Tocharian Turks are well known pioneers of science and tech(especially chem and math) in middle asia, they are known as a first creators of war arts too.



http://www.sciencedaily.com/encyclopedia/tocharians


-------------


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2005 at 04:30
Tocharians werent Turks, they were IE.

-------------


Posted By: Moustafa Pasha
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2005 at 16:18

 

France's Louis Pasteur was a scientific giant,he believed that his research was enchained to an inescapable forward moving logic. He is the father of microbiology and immunology with the crowning achievement of the germ theory ofdisease.

Links: http://www.accessexcellence.org/RC/AB/BC/Louis_Pasteur.html - http://www.accessexcellence.org/RC/AB/BC/Louis_Pasteur.html

Marie Curie: http://www.accessexcellence.org/RC/AB/BC/Louis_Pasteur.html - http://www.accessexcellence.org/RC/AB/BC/Louis_Pasteur.html

 

 



Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2005 at 17:38
Originally posted by Oguzoglu

Tocharians werent Turks, they were IE.


is it a joke? Tarim Basin is a Turkish land(todays Xinjian), and it was their homeland

they were assimilated by Uyghurs in klan wars
(they are known as Buddist Turks in history--"Turfancılar" or "Toharlar")

but their language has some similarities with Indo-Europian languages, you mean that i think
(but dont forget about Buddist effects on Tocharian language)



-------------


Posted By: erci
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2005 at 17:57
Originally posted by tzar

Originally posted by Kenaney

Originally posted by Thracian

==Oguzoglu

"Yougurt is a Turkic dish, Bulgars, Turkmens etc. were all contributers of it. Not Bulgarians."

I am sory to ask but are there any sources of proof of this?

Also John Atanasoff was of Bulgarian origin but he made this grand creation in the U.S. and also had an American assistant while building it in Iowa Unvrst.

It where the Volga Bulgars, early Turkic tribe. Now Bulgaria is more slavic then Turkic...

And because now we are most slavic than turkish it's means that yougourt isn't bulgarian?! 



bulgarians are slavs or not but since when yogurt is bulgarian?


do a little search on google or yahoo about "key word: Origin of yogurt"


-------------
"When one hears such music, what can one say, but .... Salieri?"


Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2005 at 18:01
yoğurt is not bulgarian
its well known turkic word


-------------


Posted By: JiNanRen
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2005 at 18:08
Originally posted by Hak-Khan

Originally posted by Oguzoglu

Tocharians werent Turks, they were IE.


is it a joke? Tarim Basin is a Turkish land(todays Xinjian), and it was their homeland

they were assimilated by Uyghurs in klan wars
(they are known as Buddist Turks in history--"Turfancılar")

but their language has some similarities with Indo-Europian languages, you mean that i think
(but dont forget about Buddist effects on Tocharian language)



Tocharians are IE both physically and linguistically.  They inhabited the Tarim Basin long before the Uyghurs or Chinese came.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 01-Sep-2005 at 06:02
Right. But I guess he meant they were assimilated in the Uighur society, so their contributions could be included with Uygurs. But not for all Turks for sure.

-------------


Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 01-Sep-2005 at 08:14
Originally posted by JiNanRen



Tocharians are IE both physically and linguistically.  They inhabited the Tarim Basin long before the Uyghurs or Chinese came.


did you see or speak with any Tocharian?, they are not in earth anymore.

there couldnt be any nomadic IE, they were nomadic and warlike people and its the biggest proove that they were Turkic, their language was different becouse they were Buddist people who had taken some culturel knowledges from India

theres so many scientific Tohari(Tocharian) word still using in Turkish now






-------------


Posted By: JiNanRen
Date Posted: 01-Sep-2005 at 09:36
Their language are of the Centum branch of IE, with no affinity with Turkic or Iranic languages except for loan words.  They did however use the Brahmi alphabet.  But the degree of sophistication of Tocharian culture hints that they were sedentary. 

Tocharian vocabulary (sample)
Modern English Tocharian A Tocharian B Ancient Greek Latin Sanskrit *Proto-Indo-European

one
two
three
four
five
six
seven
eight
nine
ten
hundred
father
mother
brother
sister
(horse)³
cow
(voice)²

sas
wu
tre
śtwar
päń
şäk
şpät
okät
ńu
śäk
känt
pācar
mācar
pracar
şar
yuk
ko
vak

şe
wi
trai
śtwer
piś
şkas
şukt
okt
ńu
śak
kante
pācer
mācer
procer
şer
yakwe
keu
vek

heis
dyo
treis
tessares
pente
hex
hepta
okto
ennea
deka
hekaton
pater
meter
(phrater)¹
(eor)¹
hippos
bous
(epos)¹

ūnus
duo
trēs
quattuor
quīnque
sex
septem
octō
novem
decem
centum
pater
mater
frāter
soror
equus
bos
vox

eka
dvi
tri
catur
pańca
ṣaṣ
sapta
aṣṭa
nava
daśa
śata
pitṛ
mātṛ
bhrātṛ
svasṛ
aśva
go
vāc

*oinos or *sems
*duwo
*treyes
*qwetwor
*penkwe
*sweks
*septm
*oktou
*newn
*dekm
*kmtom
*p@2ter
*mater
*bhrater
*swesor
*ekwo
*gwou
*wekw




Posted By: kotumeyil
Date Posted: 01-Sep-2005 at 18:28

For literature lovers:

The planet of Saint Exupery's Little Prince, asteroid B-612 was first discovered by a Turkish astronomer

http://www.angelfire.com/hi/littleprince/chapter4.html - http://www.angelfire.com/hi/littleprince/chapter4.html



-------------
[IMG]http://www.maksimum.com/yemeicme/images/haber/raki.jpg">


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 01-Sep-2005 at 18:36

Hak-khan, it is a proven, well known, undiscusable fact that Tocharians were IE. IEs were once nomads too, remember Scythians. Please, make a research in the internet, and you'll se what we mean.

Please hold on to the topic.

What about another Turkish contribution to history, the Ala Turca toilette? It was a revolutionary invention if its age. People used to dig holes in their backyards and shi* in them before that. It was a big step of evolution for sure...



-------------


Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 01-Sep-2005 at 21:19
there cant be any europian in western china(eastern turkistan)

i dont believe this story, i read about them in many books,
if you search their origins in internet, you may only find articles taken from wiki

its a madness to mark them as a europian(even in the Tarim Basin), i have some old-turkic books that writes about their origins
i dont believe what americans wrote becouse i know its one of the anti-turk act too
(only kids believe that story)


-------------


Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 01-Sep-2005 at 21:42
here is about similarities between languages;

http://www.ieed.nl/lubotsky/pdf/turkic-chinese%20in%20toch arian.pdf

but
i cant find any old-turkic document in the net,damn!! i dont believe...they made Tocharians as a europian in a few years
i wont surprise if they claim Turks have a Mexican origins

(i will publish old-turkic books in the net, what a lazybones we are)


-------------


Posted By: JiNanRen
Date Posted: 01-Sep-2005 at 22:32
That document talks about loan words and does not support your claim that Tocharian A or B is related to Turkic languages.  Chinese has many words loaned from Mongolian, Manchu and Sanskrit etc. etc. that doesn't Chinese is related to Sanskrit.


Posted By: JiNanRen
Date Posted: 01-Sep-2005 at 22:44
Here are some sources

From Berkeley
http://geography.berkeley.edu/ProgramCourses/CoursePagesFA2002/geog148/Lectures/Lecture21/tocharians/mummies.html - http://geography.berkeley.edu/ProgramCourses/CoursePagesFA20 02/geog148/Lectures/Lecture21/tocharians/mummies.html

University of Texas
http://www.utexas.edu/cola/depts/lrc/iedocctr/ie-lg/Tocharian.html - http://www.utexas.edu/cola/depts/lrc/iedocctr/ie-lg/Tochar ian.html

http://web.cn.edu/kwheeler/IE_Centum_Tocharian.html - http://web.cn.edu/kwheeler/IE_Centum_Tocharian.html

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/tocharian.htm - http://www.omniglot.com/writing/tocharian.htm



Posted By: JiNanRen
Date Posted: 01-Sep-2005 at 22:46
Here's the definition taken out of a dictionary.

Definitions:
 
1. member of early Chinese people: a member of a Central Asian people who lived in the Tarim Basin in western China before being defeated by the Uigurs during the 9th century ad. They are believed to have spread into China from Eastern Europe.

2. Tocharian language: the extinct language of the Tocharian people. It forms a separate branch of the Indo-European family and shows close resemblances to some western branches of the family.



Posted By: Kenaney
Date Posted: 02-Sep-2005 at 12:20

ibni-Sina: he whas the best in everywhere, astronomic, science, mathematics, etcetc

Piri reis; well no need to tell about him, because everyone knows him

 

 



-------------
OUT OF LIMIT


Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 02-Sep-2005 at 12:25
your sources are about their languages

as i said they were buddist turks and they have a culture like indians.
(i m not in a claim that they didnt speak IE )

give me a source about their origins(i think its not a good idea that they are europian, also Indians and Pakis talks IE too)


-------------


Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 02-Sep-2005 at 12:35
at last ,

if they were europian
how did they came from Europe into Eastern Turkistan?

everybody knows they were Turkic, their kings have a Turkic names and their lands was in the center of Turkic territory
its a madness that they v marked as a europian






-------------


Posted By: Hak-Khan
Date Posted: 02-Sep-2005 at 12:43
Originally posted by Oguzoglu

Hak-khan, it is a proven, well known, undiscusable fact that Tocharians were IE. IEs were once nomads too, remember Scythians. Please, make a research in the internet, and you'll se what we mean.

Please hold on to the topic.

What about another Turkish contribution to history, the Ala Turca toilette? It was a revolutionary invention if its age. People used to dig holes in their backyards and shi* in them before that. It was a big step of evolution for sure...



their language was IE, but it doesnt mean their origins IE well

in other way some Turks still use Hebrew,Arabian,Russian, Chinese,Indian languages in central asia, but they are not europian,american, or arabian of course






-------------


Posted By: kotumeyil
Date Posted: 02-Sep-2005 at 16:02
Hak-khan, if you want to contribute to the topic, find an undisputed contribution of Turks to science and technology. There are many of them in recent times. Nevermind Tocharians now...

-------------
[IMG]http://www.maksimum.com/yemeicme/images/haber/raki.jpg">


Posted By: vulkan02
Date Posted: 03-Sep-2005 at 13:49
science and technology are making this world worse and worse day by day... so im really thinking have these nations made a positive or negative contributions??

-------------
The beginning of a revolution is in reality the end of a belief - Le Bon
Destroy first and construction will look after itself - Mao


Posted By: honeybee
Date Posted: 13-Sep-2005 at 17:20

"he Chinese developed saltpeter for use in fireworks and knew of no tactical military use for gunpowder, nor did they invent its formula. Research by Reinuad and Fave have clearly shown that gunpowder was formulated initially by Muslim chemists. Further, these historians claim that the Muslims developed the first fire-arms. Notably, Muslim armies used grenades and other weapons in their defence of Algericus against the Franks during the 14th century. Jean Mathes indicates that the Muslim rulers had stock-piles of grenades, rifles, crude cannons, incendiary devices, sulfur bombs and pistols decades before such devices were used in Europe. The first mention of a cannon was in an Arabic text around 1300 A.D. Roger Bacon learned of the formula for gunpowder from Latin translations of Arabic books. He brought forth nothing original in this regard."

 

Thats completely wrong, firearms were used extensively by the Song, the first mention of cannons used in battle was the Yuan siege of Xiang Yang in the 13th century A.D. And yes, the name Cannon(huo pao) was mentioned. Ming soldiers had 1/5 armed with firearms. Also, if you are not keeping up with Archeology, just a year ago the earliest cannon has been uncovered that date back to around 1280. The earliest Cannon ever found. 



Posted By: ill_teknique
Date Posted: 14-Sep-2005 at 01:56
i havent been keeping up with archaelogy but this is acredited material 

-------------


Posted By: Kuu-ukko
Date Posted: 14-Sep-2005 at 10:54
Finland's contribution:

Xylitol and Margarine . Ironic, the most common cause for deaths in Finland is heart- and circulatory-illnesses, due to unhealthy eating. And then they go and invent these......


Posted By: Jorsalfar
Date Posted: 14-Sep-2005 at 11:50
And saunas right?


Posted By: Kuu-ukko
Date Posted: 14-Sep-2005 at 14:15
I almost said it . However, some would probably point out the Roman, Turkish and Celtic baths, the American Indian sweat lodge, the Japanese furo, the Russian banja, Mexican temascal etc. (although we know for sure that banja is borrowed from Uralic people ), although the Finns have succesfully adapted the sauna to their modern lifestyle, so one could say sauna in the modern sense.



Print Page | Close Window

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.56a - http://www.webwizforums.com
Copyright ©2001-2009 Web Wiz - http://www.webwizguide.com