Who are the Pakistani’s ?
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Topic: Who are the Pakistani’s ?
Posted By: strategos
Subject: Who are the Pakistani’s ?
Date Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 01:16
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I have always just figured that the people of Pakistan were muslim indians, since the Indian subcontinent is divided into India, Pakistan, bangladesh. Can this be said that they are mostly Muslim Indians? ------------- http://theforgotten.org/intro.html |
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Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 02:45
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Posted By: Anujkhamar
Date Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 05:54
I know you meant well, but very bad use of words. The answer is Yes and No. Yes they are muslim indians who have their own country now and no becasue there are more muslims who live in India. |
Posted By: Itihaas
Date Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 10:58
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Pakistanis are primarily Indian muslim but they also have some more Persian and Afghan blood too. The Pakistanis in Panjab and Sindh are the same as Indian muslims but those further west are ethnically Afghans or even Baluchis who have little connection to India. |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 12:56
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What do you mean by "very bad use of words"?! Is Paki a bad word?! ------------- 
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Posted By: Anujkhamar
Date Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 14:10
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Yep cyrus it is, if you read post two (reply #1) you'll understand why. Basically in Britain it's used as an insult to people of south asian origin. Of course it means "pure" but its the manner of how the word is used has made it offensive to south asians. |
Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 14:56
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IIRC, its just 'Pak' that means pure. But yeah, in the UK its acquired
that negative context, even if other countries couldn't care less. Still, somewhat amusing when outsiders innocently make that mistake, like Bush a few years back  -------------  Arrrgh!!"
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Posted By: crazyguy000
Date Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 19:43
| The Indian Subcontinent, IE South Asia, consists of modern-day India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, the Maldives, Sri Lanka, Nepal, and Bhutan. Before World War II and the Indian Independence Movement India consisted to India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. When India gained independence there become two separate countries, the Muslim nation of Pakistan, which consisted of modern Pakistan and East Pakistan(Bangladesh). Due to ethnic differences the Bengali Independence Movement occured and created the new nation of Bangladesh. Pakistanis also consist of Aryan peoples. |
Posted By: Afghanan
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2005 at 21:21
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Pakistani is just a citizen of Pakistan. Pakistan was created in the 20th century out of lands occupied by the British. Pak/Paak means clean or pure, and it ironically its supposed to mean "Land of the Pure." I have also heard that Pakistan is also an acronym for: P-Punjab A-Afghania K-Kashmiri I-Indian STAN- Baluchistan
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Ethnically they are a mix of mostly Dravidian, Turkic, Iranian, Afghan, Mongol, and some Negroid.
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Posted By: merced12
Date Posted: 08-Oct-2005 at 08:14
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pakistanian is india.persian,turks.afghan and negroid. ------------- http://www.turks.org.uk/ - http://www.turks.org.uk/ 16th century world; Ottomans all Roman orients Safavids in Persia Babur in india `azerbaycan bayragini karabagdan asacagim`` |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 08-Oct-2005 at 14:34
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Just wondering...
Can u please explain why it is offensive to the south asians???? really like to know..... Pakistan is Indian muslims? well... mey app sey sam ji nehi hey..... Indian muslim give me different context in point of view.... ------------- |
Posted By: Jazz
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2005 at 04:17
To expand on this along linguistic lines - you can roughly divide Pakistan into east and west (from the north to the south). Along the border with India are the provinces of Punjab (itself divided in 2 during partition) and Sindh. In these 2 provinces the majority languages (Punjabi and Sindhi respectively) belong to the Indo-Aryan sub-group of the Indo-Iranian language family. On the other side you have languages such as Baluchi, Pasto and other Iranian related languages belonging to the Iranian sub-group. IIRC, Kashmiri is a Dardic language (itself also Indo-European). An interesting note is that in Baluchistan, there is an isolated Dravidian language called Brahui. This language is related to the South Indian languages of India, namely Tamil, Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam, and Tulu). ------------- http://www.forums.internationalhockey.net/index.php?/index.php?referrerid=8 - International Hockey Forums |
Posted By: OSMANLI
Date Posted: 17-Oct-2005 at 09:46
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Firstly, the use of the word 'Paki' is very offensive. Although many Pakistanis may use the term without any offence being taken, as with the use and pardon my usage of 'nigger'. Secondly, i would have thought that the Pakistanis were racially similar to Indians whilst still having a ethnic diffrence. Remember Pakistan and not India was part of the Timur empire. A famaly of the old ruling class in Pakistan still speak ina eastern turkic dialect Itihaas you mentioned that the Panjabi's and Sindharies are basically Indian. I would differ from you view as the Sindh province was were Islam first arrived in the south asian subcontinant, known as the gate way of Islam. I would have thought that there would have been some Arab merchants that would have stayed in Sindh permanantly. Names such Qureshi (menaing from the Qureysh in Arabic)are common. The Panjabi's are also ver mixed since the colour is much diffrent compared with the average Indian. How about Kashmir, green eyes, olive complection and brown hair.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14-Dec-2005 at 03:35
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"Paki" is usually used in the UK and is considered derogatory in the same manner as "Nigger" is. Cahaya, our students coined the words "Ak ak" to replace "Nigger". Effect is the same.
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Posted By: flyingzone
Date Posted: 14-Dec-2005 at 09:00
| George W. Bush once - in a formal occasion - called the Pakistanis "Paki's" - such ignorance and insensitivity. You tell me where on earth can you find an American president more stupid than him???? (Perhaps Ronald Reagan ...) |
Posted By: Alkiviades
Date Posted: 14-Dec-2005 at 09:44
Reagan at least was a sick man and he was not even pretending to rule the place. Dubya thinks he is the top dog and is medically clear 
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Posted By: OSMANLI
Date Posted: 14-Dec-2005 at 10:34
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I think that if you want to shorten it at least say 'Pak'. As Pak means clean or pure. -------------
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Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 02:15
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I see this hasn't been posted on for a while, but still. It is not in any way insulting to call us paki's. Indeed everyone in Pakistan would not be offended at any way at being called a Paki. The only people in my experience who get offended at being called pakis are non-muslim indians. Baluchi's live in Baluchistan Afghans live in Afghanistan Tajiks live in Tajikistan Uzbeks live in Uzbekistan Paki's live in Pakistan Pakistan is the western majority muslim states of British India. Punjab Sind NWFP Baluchistan and Kashmir. The main ethnic groups are Baluchis Pathans Punjabis and Sindhi's. The languages are Baluchi, Pushto, Punjabi, Sindhi and Urdu (Hindi is Urdu with sandscrit alphabet instead of persian). We are not muslim Indians, as these are muslims living in India. This also implys that 'Indian' ais one ethnic group, which it isn't, because Indians have many different ethnic groups and languages. |
Posted By: Jhangora
Date Posted: 12-Jan-2006 at 08:29
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So Pakistani's used to be Muslim Indians,according to you. -------------  Jai Badri Vishal
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Posted By: Jamukha
Date Posted: 12-Jan-2006 at 18:28
I think that is a total lack of understanding for anybody to think that calling a Pakistani a "Paki" is not offensive, since it is a term used to degrade the people and is almost always in the context of an offensive tone. Pakistani is used to refer to those inhabitants of present day Pakistan not Paki. This is a term mostly used in Europe and Western societies to refer to Pakistanis in a derogatory manner. Also, in terms of the issue pertaining to Indian Muslims, all or the majority of Pakistanis can be considered Indian Muslims when looking at it from a historical context sense before the formation of Pakistan all muslims dwelling in India were Indian Muslims. THe only real difference between my ancestors and those of a present day hindustani is that my ancestors decided to accept Islam while there's did not. BTW PAKISTANI'S live in PAKISTAN..not PAKI'S..its a slang word that denotes inferiority and anybody blind to that fact is greatly mistaken. |
Posted By: OSMANLI
Date Posted: 13-Jan-2006 at 04:57
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It may not be of offence in Pakistan due to the country being full of Pakistani's. However in the west a Pakistani may call another Pakistani a 'Paki' with no offence being implied. However if a non-Pakistani was to use this term it would be considered offencive. This is similar to the unwrittain rulings on the 'N' word. The English are the ones that are to blame for this word. Since there is a sizable minority in the UK they had to make an offencive word for Pakistani's. Ignorant, i know. But the word has now been established for many years now. -------------
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Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 14-Jan-2006 at 03:20
The difference is between British India, and India (Hindustan). Saying Pakis* are muslim Indians is like saying that the people in Herat are Iranis. They have been in the same empire before, but now they are not, and since they are ethnically different, they are not Iranis. Also there are Hindus and Christians (and even some ancient greeks in kafiristan) living in pakistan as well as muslims *I don't know about the UK, but you'll never offened me by calling me a paki. |
Posted By: Jhangora
Date Posted: 14-Jan-2006 at 04:36
Do you mean Indian Punjabis n Pakistani Punjabis are ethnically different? ------------- Jai Badri Vishal
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Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 15-Jan-2006 at 02:13
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No. But Punjabis and Gujratis are. Besides most punjabis are pakis. |
Posted By: Jhangora
Date Posted: 15-Jan-2006 at 06:25
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How about the Mohajirs Omar.Are they ethnically/racially different from Indians? ------------- Jai Badri Vishal
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Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 16-Jan-2006 at 00:37
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a) I am a muhajir b) I reliquish any claim to Indianness I may have. Muhajirs left hindustan to avoid being Indians. c) Most Pakis are not muhajirs d) There are more Afghans than muhajirs in pakistan, does that make us afghans? Does that make Iranis Syrians because there are ethnic arabs living in Iran? |
Posted By: Jhangora
Date Posted: 16-Jan-2006 at 06:22
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How about the Kashmiris Omar al Hashim.Are the Indian and Pakistani Kashmiris different ? ------------- Jai Badri Vishal
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......Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 16-Jan-2006 at 07:07
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Baluchistan and NWFP were annexed from Afghanistan by the British and became part of Pakistan as a result. ------------- |
Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 17-Jan-2006 at 05:58
In the 1750's the whole of the pakistan region was controlled by the
Afghans. But by the 1770's the Sikhs had begun to push the Afghans out,
and the British used this to thier advantage to move in and influence
the region.
Yes the pakis are free, while the Indians oppressed. Asking the same question over and over won't get you anywhere. |
......Posted By: Jhangora
Date Posted: 17-Jan-2006 at 07:11
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Omar how about the Sindhis who live in Pakistan .R they different ethnically/gentically to the Sindhis living in India? ------------- Jai Badri Vishal
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Posted By: Jhangora
Date Posted: 04-Feb-2006 at 16:14
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Hi Omar seems you didn't reply my question regarding Sindhis. ------------- Jai Badri Vishal
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Posted By: Jhangora
Date Posted: 04-Feb-2006 at 16:17
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Would you like to tell us more about that Zagros.I was ignorant about this fact. ------------- Jai Badri Vishal
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Posted By: Arjun
Date Posted: 01-Mar-2006 at 13:45
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Majority of Pakistanis (except Pathans and Baluchis) are of Indian descent. But since Punjab and Sindh were ruled by outside rulers for a long time there must be a sizeable genetic mix for some sections of the society. As for Indian Sindhis and Pakistani Sindhis majority of them are of the same genetic stock. ------------- From the desert lands of Rajasthan |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 01-Mar-2006 at 13:51
Kesariya Balam Padharo Mharey Des.
A warm welcome from the mountain lands of Uttaranchal.
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Posted By: malizai_
Date Posted: 01-Mar-2006 at 16:32
Sorry jhongaro, but wouldnt it be easier to list all the questions in one post? ------------- |
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Date Posted: 02-Mar-2006 at 04:48
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