Silver Bowl with seated ruler, from Iran or Afghan
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Topic: Silver Bowl with seated ruler, from Iran or Afghan
Posted By: Druzhina
Subject: Silver Bowl with seated ruler, from Iran or Afghan
Date Posted: 26-Sep-2016 at 02:10
I first saw this http://www.warfare.altervista.org/11/Plate-Hermitage-St_Petersburg-S-499.htm - Silver Bowl with seated ruler and attendants, from Iran or Afghanistan (Ghaznavid?), 11th century, State Hermitage Museum inv. S-499, St. Petersburg in a research paper, then found it on the museum's digital site. Does anyone known anything about this bowl? The lions seem to have Chinese influence.
Having a throne supported by animals is typical of Sassanid enthronement scenes. The figures wear right-over-left coats with lapels.
Similar lapels are found on a http://www.warfare.altervista.org/Persia/StPetersburg-Cup_with_horseman.htm - Cup with horseman, Khwarezm c.7th-8th Century, State Hermitage Museum, St. Petersburg , a http://www.warfare.altervista.org/6-10/Nishapur_bowl-Sothebys-2012-518.htm - Bowl with figures in coat with lapels and hanging sleeves or shawl, 10th Century, Nishapur, Eastern Iran and on http://www.warfare.altervista.org/6-10/Kizil_cave_donor_figures.htm - Kizil cave donor figures, in coats with lapels, Tarim Basin .
Does anyone know more about the attendants' hats?
All 3 figures have halos of a similar shape to the http://www.warfare.altervista.org/Persia/StPetersburg-Cup_with_horseman.htm - halo of the Khwarezm horseman . A few earlier Sasanian plates have circular halos: http://www.warfare.altervista.org/Persia/Sasanian_Plate_of_Khusrau_I.htm - the Strelka dish, of Khusrau I with his Court, 6th century AD , the http://www.warfare.altervista.org/Ancient/Yazdgard_plate.htm - 'Yazdgard I Plate', a Sasanian King Hunting a Stag on foot and the http://www.warfare.altervista.org/Ancient/Pereshchepina_plate.htm - 'Pereshchepina Plate', a mounted Sasanian King Hunting Mountain Sheep .
Halos also appear in the http://www.warfare.altervista.org/6-10/Kizil_cave_205-Eight_Kings_of_the_relics.htm - Eight Kings of the Relics Story, Maya Cave, Kizil, Tarim Basin , http://www.warfare.altervista.org/6-10/Kizil_cave_8_donor_figures.htm - Cave of the Sixteen Sword Bearers, Kizil Caves, near Kucha, Tarim Basin (halos as a dark circlular outline) and on a http://www.warfare.altervista.org/6-10/Khotan_LIX.htm - horseman and camel-rider from Dandan-Uiliq at Khotan, Tarim Basin and others. These include a lot of Bhudist influence.
'Nimbus' can be used instead of 'halo' but I'm not sure what the plural is. I haven't noticed any halos on http://www.warfare.altervista.org/6-10/Nishapur_bowls.htm - bowls with figures from Nishapur, Kurasan, Iran, 9th-10th centuries, Saffarid-Samanid period .
Druzhina
http://www.warfare.altervista.org/Ancient/Sasanian_and_Central_Asian_Plates.htm - Plates with figures from Persia and Central Asia
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http://www.warfare.altervista.org/Ottoman/Janissary.htm - Ottoman Janissaries.htm , http://warfare.altervista.org/Persia/nadir_bio.htm - Nadir Shah Afshar of Persia
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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 30-Sep-2016 at 18:53
Art perse is not my fortay...at best I'm a horrible layman and appreciate only what I uniquely 'do'. ancient is fascinating to me for other reasons than the 'beauty. matter of fact I am more interested in ancient martial music and it's use by ancient armies. Ntl below is a link to one of the best museums I've ever visited; and wandered thru the A art section.
In answer to your question use the contact sublink and see if those folks can give u more info.
http://%20www.metmuseum.org/about-the-met/curatorial-departments/ancient-near-eastern-art - http:// www.metmuseum.org/about-the-met/curatorial-departments/ancient-near-eastern-art
see: http://www.metmuseum.org/about-the-met/curatorial-departments/ancient-near-eastern-art
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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 30-Sep-2016 at 22:15
That's a question for an antiquarian expert in this. I don't recall seeing a convention similar. There is some symbolism in there as well. Interesting.
A further thought, Cyrus might know something about this. It's from his neck of the woods.
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