Manchu women conquered China by marrying Han men
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Topic: Manchu women conquered China by marrying Han men
Posted By: kemes
Subject: Manchu women conquered China by marrying Han men
Date Posted: 21-Jan-2015 at 15:08
The Manchus offered their own women to Han Chinese Generals and soldiers to defect. Top ranking Ming Generals were given Aisin Gioro women and Nurhaci offered his own granddaughter to the Ming General Li Yongfang. Hongtaiji arranged for 1,000 Manchu women to be distributed and married to Han Chinese defectors. In addition to giving defecting Han Manchu women, the defectors were also rewarded with massive gifts of serfs and titles. The sons of the Han Generals Sun Sike, Wu Sangui, Geng Jimao, Shang Kexi, all received Manchu Aisin Gioro women as wives as rewards for their father's defection.
- Servants of the Dynasty: Palace Women in World History - Google Books
- Marriage and Inequality in Chinese Society - Google Books
- GREAT ENTERPRISE - FREDERIC WAKEMAN JR. - Google Books
- Fall of Imperial China - Frederic Wakeman - Google Books
- The Imperial Moment - Google Books
The most advanced weapons technology (gunpowder weapons like firearms and artillery) in the Qing military were wielded exclusively by Han Bannermen. Manchu and Mongol Bannermen did not use the gunpowder weapons, while only Han Bannermen used them in battle. the Han Bannermen were called ujen cooha (heavy troops) in Manchu because of their firearms. It was these artillery that battered down the walls of Ming cities. It was Han defectors who brought gunpowder technology to the Qing side.
- Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books
- https://books.google.com/books?id=NUTE8V-WhwoC&pg=PA232&#v=onepage&q&f=false
- https://books.google.com/books?id=8piRAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA114#v=onepage&q&f=false
- https://books.google.com/books?id=EtNVMUx9qIIC&pg=PA43#v=onepage&q&f=false
Han Chinese were the majority of the Eight Banner army of the Qing in the 1640s and numbered 75% while Manchus were only 16%
https://books.google.com/books?id=cpfgQNWXpyoC&pg=PA141#v=onepage&q&f=false - https://books.google.com/books?id=cpfgQNWXpyoC&pg=PA141#v=onepage&q&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=gAIcwz3V_JsC&pg=PA175#v=onepage&q&f=false - https://books.google.com/books?id=gAIcwz3V_JsC&pg=PA175#v=onepage&q&f=false
It was Han defectors who fought on the front lines for the entire Qing conquest while Manchu bannermen were only reserve forces and barely fought compared to Han bannermen and Green Standard Army.
- Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books
It was the three miners from Liaodong- the defector Han Bannermen Kang Youde, Shang Kexi, and Geng Zhongming, who conquered the entire southern China for the Qing and governed it after the Ming fell. The conquest of the south was done almost entirely by Han bannermen.
- Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books
The Shunzhi Emperor issued a decree in 1648 in Beijing, that Han men were allowed to marry Manchu bannerwomen, in order to keep good relations between the ethnic groups and avoid tension.
- Servants of the Dynasty: Palace Women in World History - Google Books
https://web.archive.org/web/20140111230216/http://www.chss.iup.edu/chr/CHR-2004Fall-11-WANG-research%20notes-final.pdf - https://web.archive.org/web/20140111230216/http://www.chss.iup.edu/chr/CHR-2004Fall-11-WANG-research%20notes-final.pdf
It was Han Bannermen who conquered and governed China for the Qing after the conquest. Almost all of the Governor Generals and Governors were Han Bannermen during Shunzhi and Kangxi's reigns.
- The Search for Modern China - Jonathan D. Spence - Google Books
- Ts»ao Yin and the K»ang-hsi Emperor: Bondservant and Master - Jonathan D. Spence - Google Books
For the decades during Shunzhi and Kangxi's early reign, southern China was governed almost independently by the Three Feudatories. Wu Sangui, Geng Jingzhong, and Shang Zhixin. They ruled the entire areas autonomously.
Even when they rebelled and had to be conquered by the Qing, the Qing armies which defeated the Three Feudatories were Han Chinese Green Standard Army forces, with Manchu Bannermen being kept in reserve.
- Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books
- Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books
- Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books
- Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books
- Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books
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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 21-Jan-2015 at 20:07
Lots of info..I will peruse it as I can..as Chinese military history is a reading hobby of mine.
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Posted By: Sarkir
Date Posted: 02-Jun-2015 at 20:55
The Manchus raped tens of thousands of Korean women when they invaded Korea and took Korean princesses as concubines.
https://books.google.com/books?id=p3yW5MdzKnUC&pg=PA114#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://www.gachonherald.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=32
https://books.google.com/books?id=8nXLwSG2O8AC&pg=PA892#v=onepage&q&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=BRl1sWYShpcC&pg=RA1-PA200#v=onepage&q&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=IN42AAAAIAAJ&q=dorgon+korean+princess&dq=dorgon+korean+princess&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KaNsVbuZC8KEsAXjy4HoDQ&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAQ
While in China they had to give their own princesses and women to Han Chinese defectors to conquer China.
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Posted By: Sarkir
Date Posted: 02-Jun-2015 at 20:58
Kemes was my previous account. I forgot the password to it so I had to sign up for a new one.
I fixed the links in this post. My post by the Kemes account malfunctioned with its links.
The Manchus offered their own women to Han Chinese Generals and soldiers to defect. Top ranking Ming Generals were given Aisin Gioro women and Nurhaci offered his own granddaughter to the Ming General Li Yongfang. Hongtaiji arranged for 1,000 Manchu women to be distributed and married to Han Chinese defectors. In addition to giving defecting Han Manchu women, the defectors were also rewarded with massive gifts of serfs and titles. The sons of the Han Generals Sun Sike, Wu Sangui, Geng Jimao, Shang Kexi, all received Manchu Aisin Gioro women as wives as rewards for their father's defection.
Servants of the Dynasty: Palace Women in World History - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=QXHbhsfaJAYC&pg=PA148
Marriage and Inequality in Chinese Society - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=gAIcwz3V_JsC&pg=PA179
GREAT ENTERPRISE - FREDERIC WAKEMAN JR. - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=8nXLwSG2O8AC&pg=PA1017
Fall of Imperial China - Frederic Wakeman - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=ORBmFSFcJKoC&pg=PA79
The Imperial Moment - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=Ai1_5IHQ9vsC&pg=PA95
The most advanced weapons technology (gunpowder weapons like firearms and artillery) in the Qing military were wielded exclusively by Han Bannermen. Manchu and Mongol Bannermen did not use the gunpowder weapons, while only Han Bannermen used them in battle. the Han Bannermen were called ujen cooha (heavy troops) in Manchu because of their firearms. It was these artillery that battered down the walls of Ming cities. It was Han defectors who brought gunpowder technology to the Qing side.
Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=8piRAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA23
https://books.google.com/books?id=NUTE8V-WhwoC&pg=PA232&#v=onepage&q&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=8piRAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA114#v=onepage&q&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=EtNVMUx9qIIC&pg=PA43#v=onepage&q&f=false
Han Chinese were the majority of the Eight Banner army of the Qing in the 1640s and numbered 75% while Manchus were only 16%
https://books.google.com/books?id=cpfgQNWXpyoC&pg=PA141
https://books.google.com/books?id=gAIcwz3V_JsC&pg=PA175
It was Han defectors who fought on the front lines for the entire Qing conquest while Manchu bannermen were only reserve forces and barely fought compared to Han bannermen and Green Standard Army.
Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=8piRAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA9
It was the three miners from Liaodong- the defector Han Bannermen Kang Youde, Shang Kexi, and Geng Zhongming, who conquered the entire southern China for the Qing and governed it after the Ming fell. The conquest of the south was done almost entirely by Han bannermen.
Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=8piRAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA7
The Shunzhi Emperor issued a decree in 1648 in Beijing, that Han men were allowed to marry Manchu bannerwomen, in order to keep good relations between the ethnic groups and avoid tension.
Servants of the Dynasty: Palace Women in World History - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=QXHbhsfaJAYC&pg=PA140
https://web.archive.org/web/20140111...otes-final.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20140111230216/http:/www.chss.iup.edu/chr/CHR-2004Fall-11-WANG-research notes-final.pdf
It was Han Bannermen who conquered and governed China for the Qing after the conquest. Almost all of the Governor Generals and Governors were Han Bannermen during Shunzhi and Kangxi's reigns.
The Search for Modern China - Jonathan D. Spence - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=vI1RRslLNSwC&pg=PA41
Ts»ao Yin and the K»ang-hsi Emperor: Bondservant and Master - Jonathan D. Spence - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=rXiSxh1oGe0C&pg=PA5
For the decades during Shunzhi and Kangxi's early reign, southern China was governed almost independently by the Three Feudatories. Wu Sangui, Geng Jingzhong, and Shang Zhixin. They ruled the entire areas autonomously.
Even when they rebelled and had to be conquered by the Qing, the Qing armies which defeated the Three Feudatories were Han Chinese Green Standard Army forces, with Manchu Bannermen being kept in reserve.
Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=8piRAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA15
Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=8piRAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA17
Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=8piRAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA23
Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=8piRAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA24
Diary of a Manchu Soldier in Seventeenth-Century C: "My Service in the Army ... - Henry Luce Foundation Professor of East Asian Studies Nicola Di Cosmo, Nicola Di Cosmo - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=8piRAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA25
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