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HOLLYWOOD AND THE RACE OF THE EGYPTIANS?

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Topic: HOLLYWOOD AND THE RACE OF THE EGYPTIANS?
Posted By: journeytothesource
Subject: HOLLYWOOD AND THE RACE OF THE EGYPTIANS?
Date Posted: 30-Jul-2014 at 12:31

Yet again, Hollywood has depicted the ancient Egyptians as White in the movie Exodus: Gods and Kings, despite all of the objective evidence against this ridiculous notion.

Directed by Ridley Scott of Gladiator fame  and staring Joel Edgerton as the Egyptian pharaoh Ramesses, and Christian Bale as the prophet Moses; it is an interpretation of the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt as led by Moses and related in the Old Testament Book of Exodus.

Joel Edgerton who plays the Egyptian pharaoh Ramesses couldn’t be more European in appearance, looking as though he would be more at home playing a role in a Polish movie than one about an ancient North African king. He simply looks way out of place and totally absurd, at least to the honest and educated. What’s more, none of the other Egyptians in the movie appear to be Black, although admittedly, I haven’t seen the full movie yet.

This epic has a top line up too, and also stars the likes of Sigourney Weaver and Ben Kingsley, and by the looks of it no money has been spared in the production of this mindboggling trash.


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Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 30-Jul-2014 at 13:02
IT'S....HOLLYWOOD.

Enough said.


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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 30-Jul-2014 at 20:44
Not quite...though that was good.

I would have expected the liberals and socialists in 'tinkertown' would have supported their façade of alien immigration amnesty (which is really a cover for cheap laborers to do their gardening, cooking and housekeeping)and their expressed undying love for eeo-aa-rr. To at least have hired a 'token' appearing North African, possibly a Mexican America etc. Or African American.

Morgan Freedom would have been excellent.

So much for the legitimacy of their concerns for social agendas and representation.

Otoh, this is the same crowd who had whites playing Indians for 45 years plus.

So the old goat is correct....or let me put it another way what the fuc did you expect.

Historical accuracy? And the same representative?

You need to come over and take a pain pill at my hogan..all then will be well.

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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 30-Jul-2014 at 22:02
You would expect different from the folks who cast John Wayne as Genghis Kahn?
 
 
 


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Posted By: beorna
Date Posted: 31-Jul-2014 at 07:06
Great, the afrocentrists are back!

Ever seen Braveheart? William Wallace, born around 1270, had an affair with isabella of France, the wife of Edward II. Isabella was born around 1295, her son Edward III in november 1312. Following Braveheart, Wallace had a love affair around 1297 or maybe even only in 1305 with Isabella, who was then between 2 and 10. I suppose Sophie Marceau was not the best actress for such person. When Wallace was tortured to death in August 1305, isabella (10 years old), told the dying Edward I (who really died in 1307), that she gets a baby from Wallace, namely Edward III (born in 1312).

Great isn't it? And you complain about some skin colours. Who should have played ramses, Ice Cube, Puff Diddy or how ever he calls himself now, Morgan Freeman, Will Smith or Dennis Rodman?
Maybe they tried to get some Egyptian actors, but Egyptians don't get visa for the USA :D


Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 31-Jul-2014 at 09:50

Hollywood's depiction of Egyptians ain't the only absurdity that's going on here.  Anyone who has read my posts in the Americas Forum knows I'm a diffusionist.  They would also know I very much agree that there was considerable precolumbian contact with the African continent. However, this person makes the jump to Africans being the first inhabitants of the Americas. Tongue He uses the many African appearing sculptures as his evidence.

There are just as many artworks showing contact with China and Japan, as well as Caucasian folks.
 
Contact does not translate to colonization or origination.  It is also a 2 way street.  Cultural influence traveled both ways.
 
This person needs to pay attention to authors other than Clyde Winters.
 
 
Go to his blog, it's great comedic relief.Wink 


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Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 31-Jul-2014 at 13:32
What part of "It's Hollywood" is confusing everyone?

For starters, the big name actors are not Egyptians, so unlikely to attract the market demographic the American film industry is trying to reach.

Secondly, the secondary market, books, posters, action toys, etc., is built on the American marketplace - again, local talent isn't going to sell.

Thirdly, everyone seems to have completely forgotten what is going on in Egypt these days, terrorism, persecution of Christians and a terribly unstable situation for filming anything, much less a major Hollywood production.

And lastly, we come to Clancy's Golden Rule, taught to me many years ago by Tom Clancy the author:  "The guy who has the gold makes the rules."

Hollywood has the gold - they make the rules.  Therefore, white people play Indians, John Wayne played Genghis Khan,  homosexuals like Rock Hudson portray manly men who always get the girl, and the Egyptians are played by whomever Hollywood wants...period.




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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 31-Jul-2014 at 21:44
Agreed! However Beorna and I both clicked on his link and picked up on the Afro centrist bit. Which is probably the root of his beef.




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"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
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Posted By: beorna
Date Posted: 01-Aug-2014 at 04:10
Originally posted by red clay

Agreed! However Beorna and I both clicked on his link and picked up on the Afro centrist bit. Which is probably the root of his beef.



Ah, no. I did not have to click that link, to know what he isLOL


Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 01-Aug-2014 at 13:13
Originally posted by red clay

Agreed! However Beorna and I both clicked on his link and picked up on the Afro centrist bit. Which is probably the root of his beef.




Which I read but discarded since Hollywood neither knows nor cares about that particular theory.

If, in fact, I were an Afro-centrist, I might be asking myself why the "cradle of life" turned into a cesspool of genocide, hatred, slavery, starvation, rape as a weapon, turning children into murderers, torture and all of the associated agonies of Mankind.

Fortunately, I am not.


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Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 02-Aug-2014 at 01:05
Originally posted by beorna

Great, the afrocentrists are back!


I agree


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Posted By: tommy
Date Posted: 25-Aug-2014 at 04:20
Today Egyptians are quite different with the ancient Egyptians

Today most of the Egyptians are Arabs

Ancient Egyptians were not Arabs neither the Black, in my opinion they had a much lighter skin colour, they hight had ethnical relation with the Berbers(white people) of North Africa.

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Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 25-Aug-2014 at 17:23
I agree, North Africa had a Paleolithic influx from the Middle East and Neolithic one from Iberia; by the time the Egyptian civilization came about the population of North Africa was far lighter than the Sub-Saharan Africa.

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Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 26-Aug-2014 at 06:00
Originally posted by tommy

Today Egyptians are quite different with the ancient Egyptians

Today most of the Egyptians are Arabs

Ancient Egyptians were not Arabs neither the Black, in my opinion they had a much lighter skin colour, they hight had ethnical relation with the Berbers(white people) of North Africa.

Culturally speaking, tommy, I would say you're correct. However the dna evidence would suggest that on the whole, as with the Berber, cultural conversion has not changed the genetics of modern Egyptians very much.


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Posted By: tommy
Date Posted: 28-Aug-2014 at 03:13
Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising

Originally posted by tommy

Today Egyptians are quite different with the ancient Egyptians

Today most of the Egyptians are Arabs

Ancient Egyptians were not Arabs neither the Black, in my opinion they had a much lighter skin colour, they hight had ethnical relation with the Berbers(white people) of North Africa.

Culturally speaking, tommy, I would say you're correct. However the dna evidence would suggest that on the whole, as with the Berber, cultural conversion has not changed the genetics of modern Egyptians very much.
Not only culture, after the rise of the arabian Empire, the Arabs had conquered Egypt, then they migrated to this new land, so I believe the Dna of Egyptians had changed too. Modern day Egyptians had the Dna of Arabs,or you can simply say the modern Egyptians are Arabs 


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Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 28-Aug-2014 at 07:27
Originally posted by tommy

Not only culture, after the rise of the arabian Empire, the Arabs had conquered Egypt, then they migrated to this new land, so I believe the Dna of Egyptians had changed too. Modern day Egyptians had the Dna of Arabs,or you can simply say the modern Egyptians are Arabs 
Actually the influence in regard to dna, tommy only just makes it into double figures, and what's more this kind of thing isn't that unusual. In the UK for example there has been both an Anglo-Saxon and a Norman invasion, and take over, and yet still the majority are related to those who were there before them. The Mongol horde invaded and took over China, and again the majority are still Han. Both ancient and modern Egyptians, as a whole, still show a large Eurasian influence, which they have in common with the Berbers, who if I'm right in thinking were in the Nile valley before migrating west across northern Africa.

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What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture.


Posted By: pudu
Date Posted: 08-Nov-2014 at 13:30
Originally posted by red clay

Hollywood's depiction of Egyptians ain't the only absurdity that's going on here.  Anyone who has read my posts in the Americas Forum knows I'm a diffusionist.  They would also know I very much agree that there was considerable precolumbian contact with the African continent. However, this person makes the jump to Africans being the first inhabitants of the Americas. Tongue He uses the many African appearing sculptures as his evidence...


Come on, Red Clay. You very well know that Sub-Saharan Africans didn't know how to build a ship. They didn't invent the sail, either. How would they come to the Americas? swimming? Confused





Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 09-Nov-2014 at 12:37
Hey Pinguin, long time no see.  I also see your still full of soup.  Your racism and cultural bias gave you away, as usual. 
 
What? They suspended you over at World Hysteria again? Big smile  Either way, your dual idents qualify you for immediate suspension. But so I can't be accused of bias myself, I'll let the mods decide. 
 
  


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Posted By: pudu
Date Posted: 09-Nov-2014 at 17:03
Ha ha ha. So long and you still believe in that childish hyperdiffusionism? So, now it is racist to reject retarded ideologies?
Africans did not reach the Americas swimming, you know. They couldn't reach Cape Verde; less the Americas
Just ban me now, please.


Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 09-Nov-2014 at 20:12
Originally posted by pudu

Ha ha ha. So long and you still believe in that childish hyperdiffusionism? So, now it is racist to reject retarded ideologies?
Africans did not reach the Americas swimming, you know. They couldn't reach Cape Verde; less the Americas
Just ban me now, please.
Suspended for not realising that since the ancestors of the Australian Aboriginals were capable of getting to the Australian mainland by boat around fifty five thousand years ago, or at least around then, then it may well have been possible for sub-Saharan Africans to have travelled across to south America. Ha ha ha! The real reason for you being suspended is because of you being a particularly unintelligent(stupid), and infantile, racist troll. Big smile  

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What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture.


Posted By: Zarah
Date Posted: 03-May-2015 at 05:03
Originally posted by tommy

Today Egyptians are quite different with the ancient Egyptians

Today most of the Egyptians are Arabs

Ancient Egyptians were not Arabs neither the Black, in my opinion they had a much lighter skin colour, they hight had ethnical relation with the Berbers(white people) of North Africa.

Most of the Egyptians are culturally Arabs but not genetically.
The today Egyptians are more or less the descendants of the ancient Egyptians. The arab admixture isn't that high.  Especially the CHRISTIANS Copts from Egypt are the direct descendants of ancient Egyptians their language is close to the old egyptian language. Yemenis, Saudis look different from Egyptians.  

I don't know why people are so stupid and say ancient Egyptians lived in Africa,  had brown skin, therefore they are black. Egypt is a hot place and even Germans or  Skandinavians like all Caucasians get brown in the sun but that doesn't make them black people.

Ancient Egyptians were Caucasians like the Berber. The Berber are the native and original inhabitants of North Africa and the black Africans who live in North Africa moved from the south, from Sub Sahara. 
I have seen Copts and other Egyptians and even Morrocans dressing like ancient Egyptians, with the same make up and hair they looked all 100% like the ancient Egyptians in the paintings. Being African doesn't mean you are automatically black and negroid. 


Posted By: Gamkha Sage
Date Posted: 04-May-2015 at 02:16
Recent DNA studies of Ancient Egyptian mummies of a New Kingdom dynasty have confirmed Sub-Saharan African origins for notable New Kingdom pharoahs from both the Amarna (from 1353 B.C.) and Rameses III (from 1186 B.C.) lineages: In December 2012, Zahi Hawass, the former Egyptian Minister of State for Antiquities Affairs and his research team released DNA studies of Rameses III and his son have found he carried the Sub-Saharan African Haplogroup E1b1a, and as a result clustered most closely with Africans from the African Great Lakes (335.1), Southern Africa (266.0) and Tropical West Africa (241.7) and not Europeans (1.4), Middle Easterners (14.3) or peoples from the Horn of Africa (114.0). [34]
Earlier studies from January 2012 of the Amarna mummies had reached similar conclusions with the average affiliations of the mummies found to be Southern African (326.94), Great Lakes African (323.76) and tropical West African (83.74) and not Middle Eastern (6.92), European (5.21) or with peoples from the Horn of Africa (14.79).[35] As no other studies of other Ancient Egyptian mummies are available, the questions as to the genetic affiliations of other pharaohs and figures (such as Cleopatra VII, the last pharaoh of Egypt from 51 B.C. following the Greek Conquest of Egypt by Alexander the Great in 300 B.C.) is yet undetermined.


Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 04-May-2015 at 08:21
Gamkha Sage, with such statements, comes the responsibility to back it up with the evidence. Url addresses will do. Also, if what you have in your post in any way is replicated from that site...etc..it is generally expected to be indicated as a quote. Plagiarism is most definitely frowned upon.

That said I welcome you to this forum.


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What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture.


Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 04-May-2015 at 19:01
Amen.

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Posted By: somethingknew
Date Posted: 15-Jul-2015 at 05:20
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis

Amen.

Its curious you type "amen" and "amen" is a black thing from Egypt. 
Civilization started from black people, as they are the original humans and creators.

Since many whites and others have been raised to be racist or are naturally racist, it will not be surprising if you resist the truth. 
One thing is the culture we are discussing saw themselves as black.       An important thing to note is Egypt is in Africa.  “Upper Egypt” is actually south of Egypt, definitely in Africa and close to Sudan and Nubia. The people who lived in “ancient Egypt” did not say they lived in Egypt, thats the name given by outsiders, people who were not from there.  The greeks called that land aigyptos which is where we get Egypt, “Egyptians” called their home KMT or land of the blacks, making them black.  As all brown and black people from Africa are.    As people in the modern world are designed to be racist against blacks and Africans, you all like to deny the truth. Civilization started from black people as black people are the original creators of civilization, as in KMT Egypt and many other places. In addition, :-) ancient “Egyptians” often portray themselves as Nubian or Ethiopian such as the tomb of “Ramses ||” as well as descriptions of them from other historical writers of the time. 


The worlds first scientists, doctors, mathematicians, scholars, astrologers, and even mothers and fathers come from Africa.  


Africa is a black continent. Black people are the original humans. (In fact, scientists have discovered or admitted that all races besides africans are actually not 100% human)


Likewise, genetic studies of the paternal lines of pharoahs such as that of Ramses ||| place their halogroup with those of “subsaharan” Africans.   Orginating in north east Africa, humans migrated.  The first humans were black as was the ancient great civilization KMT.    If modern society was not influenced by the false supremacy of the opposite race people would admit these facts much easier.                    
Egyptians as well as Moors, Persians, and Caanites have been referred to as whooly haired dark skinned people and we all know people with dark skin and afros are black. Lol.   This is according to non black or non Ethiopian historians such as Diodirus, who stated "now the ethiopians...were the first of all men.. the Egyptians are colonists sent out by the Ethiopians.."   This can be found in the book "black spark, white fire" and many other places, even works by the greek historians such as Herodotus.




Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 15-Jul-2015 at 06:15
''Since many whites and others have been raised to be racist or are naturally racist, it will not be surprising if you resist the truth.''

You are assuming a great deal by assuming ''it will not be surprising if you resist the truth.''

I would recommend you don't do this...esp with me.

As it smacks of arrogance and a totally unsubstantiated accusation not based on merit or fact.

It also brings you as does your post entirety perilously close to a number of violations of the Coc. Which you might consider reading and adhering too. As this is a forum requirement upon registration.

Specifically:

3. Trolling; Trolling is the act of posting witty, response-provoking comments that appear relevant in order to disrupt the discussion, annoy or create attention. Trolling can also be considered as Spam, inflammatory remarks, or annoyance.


5. Rude insults, defamatory remarks, offensive images, cursing, profanity intended as an insult towards another member, personal attacks, words of hate. Any remarks that stirs up anger. In dealing with flame wars, comments that started the flame war will have more weight in terms of violation.

     6. Nationalism and the belittlement of religious groups; derogatory remarks to religious, national or ethnic groups and members, jingoism, bigotry, racism, political propaganda. (see appendix below)


Appendix

Definition of unacceptable nationalistic remarks:

This category of violations has been perhaps the most troublesome to deal with. The definition is that remarks are unacceptable if they have the intention of disparaging, belittling, or insulting another's religious, ethnic or national group.....

Tread lightly here.

No response is necessary. As imo it would be superfluous. Ahere to my recommendations..or be gone.

Thread locked.

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