Hair
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Topic: Hair
Posted By: Mountain Man
Subject: Hair
Date Posted: 05-Apr-2013 at 14:03
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Not the rock opera, but real hair, the stuff on our bodies and heads. Take a moment and think about it. It's really just vestigal fur left over from our more hirsute period of history. Interestingly, it remains in only a few locations on our bodies in any abundance, and in the case of head hair, not always then, either. But when, where, how and why did humans begin to make a fashion statement out of their remains head fur? A fashion commitment that has become a multi-billion dollar industry all over the world and is constantly growing, kind of like our hair does? A lot more sensible and convenient if Man had just gotten into the habit of cutting it all off and leaving it that way, considering the time, energy and money we spend hiring others to take it off for us, cut it, trim it, color it and even fake it (wigs, etc.) So let's consider and discuss the rational behind "hair" as it applies to Man in the 21st century. ------------- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
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Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 05-Apr-2013 at 17:03
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I just shave my hair with a shaver. I guess we both agree that spending money on your hair is futile and unnecessary! As to the history of using hair as an accessory of beauty I'm not sure when it started. In movies they always show prehistoric man with beaded hair. I'm gonna go ahead and assume that's just for the effects and not really historically accurate. But the history aside, we have evolved with hair on our heads and we're programmed to like hair and tweeking with it. Are you saying that if everyone decided to shave their heads then in a few generations no one would care about hair? ------------- Timidi mater non flet |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 05-Apr-2013 at 19:46
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I suspect that would be the case, and we would probably react badly to someone with hair. Our hair fetish is an acquired taste, and an expensive one, that makes zero sense functionally. ------------- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 05-Apr-2013 at 20:40
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FURTHERMORE AS A MEDICO AND GI YA KNOW IT'S A PAIN IN THE ASS TO KEEP CLEAN. AND WILL CONTRIBUTE TO CRITTERS USING IT FOR A HOME; THAT CAUSE DISEASE.
NOT GOOD FOR OPERATIONAL READINESS.. HMM I'M ON CAPS FOR SOME REASON. I BLAME THE HIPPIES. NOT ONLY FOR THE CAPS GLITCH BUT JUST ABOUT EVERYHTING I NEED TO LAY A ROOT CAUSE TOO. f*CKING DOPERS. USELESS. WASTING AIR THAT FISH NEED. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 06-Apr-2013 at 09:04
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The sounds that come from someone who no longer has hair to worry about?
I love hair. When I was in Uni I had a pony tail to my waist. Up until last month it was shoulder length. However, long hair is just as much work, or more, than short hair.
No hair is less work, but ya still have to simionize the pate.  ------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 06-Apr-2013 at 10:48
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No, in fact I still have all my hair. Never got to wear it long. It wasn't the fashion when I was in school, and I went straight into the Army, where very little hair was the requirement, and then into the Airborne where a shaved head was the norm because wearing a jump helmet made anything but shaved a howling discomfort. I grew up with short hair and I still keep it that way. My wife forbids me to shorten it any more than it is. just a question that I thought might promote a decent discussion. Why are we so caught up in our hair fetish, worrying about it, pampering it and spending billions to have it cut when it grows and styled and colored? What is it about Man that drives that particular obsession? And it is an obsession by every definition of the term. ------------- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 06-Apr-2013 at 13:35
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Sexual attraction might have something to do with it. Also, when you think about it, it's the only part of our physical personna we have any control of. It was the only way to personalize your appearence. Religion takes a part also. But it's hard to tell if it came first, was the iniating influence, or a result of personal awareness.
A side note, long hair wasn't in fashion in general when I was in school as well. However, it was in fashion in the music biz and seeing as how that was what was paying my bills, I followed fashion. By the time I hit college, it didn't matter one way or the other.
------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 06-Apr-2013 at 16:40
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''Why are we so caught up in our hair fetish, worrying about it, pampering it and spending billions to have it cut when it grows and styled and colored?''
You already know the answer...tho, imo, your natural proclivity to promote your alleged agnosticism is again showing and perhaps in question.....perhaps this is a subconscious move to the Cross. ''Then I considered all that my hands had done and the toil I had expended in doing it, and behold, all was vanity and a striving after wind, and there was nothing to be gained under the sun.'' Eccl. 2-11 ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 06-Apr-2013 at 18:43
What in the bleep are you talking about? And how does my belief figure into this discussion in any way? We're discussing hair, not religion.  ------------- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 07-Apr-2013 at 04:59
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You asked: ''Why are we so caught up in our hair fetish, worrying about it, pampering it and spending billions to have it cut when it grows and styled and colored?''
The answer is still obvious. Reread the scripture and then put that master medico mind of the front slope back into first gear.....running in third like that is bad for your bp. Draw the nexus. It has nothing to do with your faith or lack thereof I suppose but it does have to do with the reference to the scripture being made. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 07-Apr-2013 at 10:37
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In the first place, there is no reference to scripture anywhere but in your post. Apparently you have some issues there. I'm talking about biology and sociology, or I was until you hijacked the thread and closed down the discussion while managing to cast aspersions on my personal beliefs and my intelligence in the process. Did you just violate your own rules of conduct? It looks to me like you did. ------------- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 07-Apr-2013 at 12:59
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I was talking about vanity. As does the scripture relate. That is the answer to the original post. It was hijacked in your mind not in actuality.
''Did you just violate your own rules of conduct''. Dunno did I? Btw their your rules as well so follow them. Iow. Nor were you being attacked. But if you perceive it; then you know the drill. Report it as per the Coc. Otherwise quit acting like a 12 year old female whose first experiencing menstruation. Your to old for it and you should know better. That was member to member. Now as Mod to member... your thread is locked. Until reviewed by higher authority reference your complaint. Which I will personally forward to the owner-admin. We aim to please. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 07-Apr-2013 at 13:32
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thread unlocked.
Mountain Man, Turn your gain up and filter out the noise.
Sounds like CV is testing out a new batch.However, vanity certainly played a part at some time. Religous conventions as well, the Hasids are a good example.
Earlier, grooming might have signaled a successful person.
------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 07-Apr-2013 at 19:05
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Mountainman, hair was a fashion statement for Europeans long before the Hippies and Mods. Since ancient times it has been used by various civilisations as a mark of identification: Egyptians shaved their heads to keep cool in the heat Jews were forbidden to cut their hair or beards, perhaps to set themselves apart from the Egyptians Persians grew long, curled beards as protection from the desert winds Celtic warriors wore moustaches and spiky hair to appear taller Romans cropped their hair short and shaved their beards so enemies couldn't grab hold of them. Vikings had long hair and beards to display their health and virility. Short hair was the mark of a slave. Catholic priests shaved their heads to remove their individuality and proclaim themselves part of the collective church. Medieval noblemen had pageboy cuts and bowl cuts to demonstrate they could afford their own barber During the 16th century, men wore short hair and beards in imitation of the ancient Greeks In the 17th century, long hair was prevalent Georgian fops shaved their heads and wore wigs to keep the lice away Regency dandies like Beau Brummel curled their hair Victorian gentlemen had bushy beards or sideburns From the Edwardian era until the 1960s, men wore variants of the short-back-and-sides, or the crew cut popularised by WWI soldiers. ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 07-Apr-2013 at 23:11
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Visually hair identifies a person culturally. Even when a person rebels with the style, it still places them in a certain group. As there are certain identifying features when it comes to hair, IMHO, hair as an identifying medium very probably predates homosapiens. ------------- What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture. |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 08-Apr-2013 at 10:02
You could link this thread to the KimJong Un thread. His haircut certainly distinguishes him from anyone else.
I do believe if someone cut my hair like that, I would have to hurt them.
 ------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 19-Apr-2013 at 20:32
Strangely enough, I've seen a lot of hipsters in the UK with the same haircut  ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 19-Apr-2013 at 21:45
Thank you, Nick. That actually makes since. I know shaved heads were the norm in my airborne unit because otherwise the discomfort caused by hours and hours a day strapped into a jump helmet would drive you mad, and when I rode a motorcycle I kept it short for the same reason. Too hot in Texas to be sweating inside that helmet. While we're listing hair peculiarities, the Sikhs are another group that do not cut their hair, and the Japanese samurai never cut their que. ------------- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2013 at 22:14
http://media.photobucket.com/user/iam733_photos/media/GREAT%20BRITAIN/JamesVIofScotlandIofEngland.jpg.html"> Here's an example of how hairstyles changed within a generation: above is James I with full beard and short hair brushed away from his face (1600s-1620s). Below is his son Charles with shoulder length hair and pointed goatee (1620s-40s): http://media.photobucket.com/user/iam733_photos/media/GREAT%20BRITAIN/17-6.jpg.html">  ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2013 at 23:39
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Ah, yes...the Peacock Age when men wanted to go around looking like women.
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Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 22-Apr-2013 at 15:03
I'm surprised to see so many men in Bulgaria with shaven heads now...and more surprisingly I meet women who like men with shaven heads ; some fad or something, it never happened here in my time. However, even with all said and done here intend to keep all my hair.... 
My point is that sexual attraction has a moment of fashion too - in Victorian times men with long hair were seen as sexy, now here I see women who honestly hairless heads are sexy...so it must be a fad after all. Which will mean that sexual attraction has nothing to do with hair... ------------- |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 22-Apr-2013 at 15:39
...or it means love with both sexes!?! Ape animal society is coming.By the way:What does makes us humans different than animals?Heterosexuality?Mating out of our family circle?Where are roots of homosexuality than Don?!? Homosexual practice among the animals in herd establishes position of individual inhierarchy.What does it means among animal bred humans? |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2013 at 11:18
Did you just hijack the thread in order to discuss homosexuality? That particular subject doesn't seem appropriate for this forum.  ------------- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2013 at 11:46
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Hair is connected with sex MM!All the rest comes in racial waters where I am swimming not.Regards.
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Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2013 at 14:04
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Well, hair styles come and go as fashion does, I don't see connected in any way with homosexuality. If a guy with long hair seems feminine in one age, this doesn't mean that he is seen like that in another age; so I don't see the connection hair-gender. ------------- |
Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2013 at 16:27
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If you fantasise sexually about a bald man you know of now, or any man, or woman, with whateven hair type, are you not likely to view society based upon those thoughts? ------------- What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture. |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2013 at 00:02
| I can go with it.Hair+Clothes+Jewels+Status in society(Indians wear feathers head dress/Skin of lions and other animals)+Sexual orientation... |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2013 at 15:52
Homosexuals have hair, do they not? Looking at it from another angle, how many male hair dressers are gay, or at least appear to be? And who is it that usually sets the trends in hair fashions?
Discussing the pros and cons would be off topic, as I just pointed out however, you can't exclude them if your discussing the human condition, they are part of it.
Medenaywe, don't be offended, but I couldn't make head or tail of your last post.
------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2013 at 17:51
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Hair among the rest is sexual characteristic of unit.Human units use short hair for male long for female in last two centuries at least.Before?Depends of cost of hair cut.In Lion communities male is with long hair and woman with short hair both they do not use hair cutting! Cutting of hair in 20th century by femalesis act of feminist movement or sexual orientation change or hiding of baldness.It is very popular among bald men today!Period.  No racial&No sexist approach! |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2013 at 19:05
 Maybe that's why old Jimbo enjoyed buggering youths like Robert Carr or George Villiers ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2013 at 19:39
OK, I guess when asking, "If you fantasise sexually about a bald man you know of now, or any man, or woman, with whatever hair type, are you not likely to view society based upon those thoughts?" I was trying to be too clever, which by definition I guess shows me as being dumb, me trying to cover things a few were trying to address at once. What I was meaning is that people's views on things, be it hair or sexuality can be as individual as people are. I mean, say you find yourself highly attracted to TheAlaniDragonRising from now on, due to hair or whatever(a little bit crazy as this is my profile name/character) that is connected to your particular personality. This is unlikely to be much different to what has been going on throughout all these different ages talked about on this thread either.------------- What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture. |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 27-Apr-2013 at 13:17
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Still stuck on homosexuality, I see. You people need to get out more.
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 27-Apr-2013 at 19:25
http://media.photobucket.com/user/Nrosa/media/BeauBrummel.jpg.html"> Let's move on to another period. Here's an example of the curled hair popularised by Beau Brummel in the early 1800s ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 30-Apr-2013 at 20:59
http://media.photobucket.com/user/egolfproject/media/495px-KING_GEORGE_II.jpg.html"> And the powdered wigs worn by the previous generation ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 01-May-2013 at 00:56
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hair presents "attitude"&"Stand"about world around you and inside of you: http://www.eudict.com/index.php?lang=croeng&word=stav - http://www.eudict.com/index.php?lang=croeng&word=stav  Nick has shown us many hairstyles that represented personal opinion&misleading about themselves: Misjudgement?!? http://www.eudict.com/index.php?lang=croeng&word=mi%C5%A1ljenje - http://www.eudict.com/index.php?lang=croeng&word=mi%C5%A1ljenje |