This is stinking bullsh*t. Israel killed way more Palestinians than Palestinians killed Israelis. And most of the Palestinians killed are civillians and children. Read from the BBC:

3,135 killed by security forces in the West Bank and Gaza including 627 aged under 18, 181 killed in extrajudicial executions and 288 (including at least 29 aged under 18) killed in the course of these assassinations.

656 children, more than %20 of the dead. Military targets oh yeah. And this is the number of Israelis killed by the Palestinians:

431 civilians killed in Israel
including 78 aged under 18

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3694350.stm - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3694350.stm

BBC took the data from an Israeli source.

Besides killing, Israel destroys the homes of innocent Palestinians, detains them at will, sets up roadblocks, etc. etc. Israel is an apartheid state. In defiance of UN resolutions, it treats the Palestinians as sub-humans. It needs to be excluded from the international community like South Africa used to be.

Something that people tend to forget is that there were also Israeli terrorists - Irgun - killing Arabs way before the creation of Israel with the intent of taking land by frightening Arabs off. In fact, Jews and Muslims lived peacefully with each other for thousands of years before the arrival of the European Jews in the 20th century.

The big problem is that each side holds that their opinions are "facts". As such there is no discussion of who is right and who is wrong, facts are facts. This enables each side to deny the other side even the right to disagree with such "facts".

Denial of the other side is polarization, there is no middle ground and will never be until each side recognizes that the other's point of view is as valid as their own. In a polarized situation such recognition is connected with betrayal.

So, in order for there to be even a tiny step towards the resolution of the problem, each side must betray its own position.
Though it is a betrayal of a position that for many defines their existence, it is the first step to becoming a human being. People who hold so strongly to their views that they can deny the humanity of others have abandoned their own humanity.

Ironic analogy.

The jews are no more native to the levant than the hungarians are to russia. Both migrated more than a thousand years ago. Yet the jewish claim is the strongest? If anything they should have been given Khazaria, the latest jewish state before Israel.

once again you are ignoring history. Israel is not the invader. No one is necessarily the invader. It is just as much their land as it is the Palestinians. that land has been in the hands of many different groups all throughout history.

Jews have been in that region for centuries.

Americans sound much more logical when they don't talk about native people!  (hypotheticaly)

Ok Let's go back to the discussion:
first you should clear out what do u mean by "that land has been in the hands of many different groups"? Do you mean Italy, Iran, Turkey, Egypt have a right on Palestine as well?

but whatever, OK... Israel & Palestinians are the native people and they've lived there in peace together for many years -- AGREED. But what right do Jews have to throw their neighbors out of the land, destroying their homeland and their style of living? (Considering Jews' migration from that region long long time ago)

Unlike a lot of Americans I do not like israel at all.  They have just as much blood on their hands as the Arabs do and the very creation of their state was a massive act of theft from the Palestineans.

It is because of Israel that America is hated throughout the Middle East, without Israel America would probably have relations with Arab nations on par with that of European nations and others.  It's also illogical, the Israelis have 6 million people and no oil, the Moslems have a billion people and the majority of the world's oil.  However the Jewish vote and coffers keep politicians supporting Israel.  When I become President I'll end all that and hopefully be the first American President who's popular in the Mideast.

First of all, Jarusalem, the center of three big religions, has its name from an ancient pagan Arabic God, "Salem", and the city originally belongs to Arabs, But noone can deny the Jewish existance there for more than two thousand and 500 years.

Jews lived there together with Arabs since ancient times, but this doesnt mean Israel have the right to own there, because Jews lived all aover the world and they lost their homelands. And Jews havent ruled Palestine since ancient times. Today, Arabic settlements are very old and they own Palestine. If there happened a Jewish genocide in Europe, this doesnt mean that you have the right to violate other nations' rights, even to protect another nation's rights. So the action of collecting Jews all over the Europe and placing them into another country's (which has nothing to do with all these genocides or actions) borderlands is an ignorant and violating ideology since the beginning.

I wonder what would happen if a nation comitted a genocide to Turks all over Europe and after this the UN agreed on colecting all survivors and placing them to their homelands (imagine that there is no country such Turkey). So would they be able to divide all mid-southern Russia , northwestern China, Eastern Kazakhstan and Kyrgizistan and form a new independent Turkish state there? I dont think so. So what was the sin of Palestinians? Living in their homelands?

And all these violations arent all about invading another country's lands. Human rights violations and innocent people's massacres are the biggest problem. The Israel forces didnt only invade those lands, but comitted huge civilian massacres, that cannot be identified as "mistakes". While the Palestinians are trying to protect their houses and family's by throwing stones and attacking with their Ak-47s, the Israel forces are attacking those civilians with their tanks and massive warmachines. Is this a paranoia or hatred? Well, lets figure it out...

Anyway, those lands need peace and I wish it happens soon. We are all fed up seeing soldiers killing children or terrorists attacking civilians everyday on TV...

Israel is thought legitimate only because it is funded by the US government.

haha, Well you have my vote, as long as your not Republican.

Yeah I don't agree with being to friendly with Israel. I think we should just cut ties with them. Our gov't says they want to keep America safe, yet we defend Israel which is basiclly harming us involuntarily by causing alot of hatred towards us, and criticism. I think America should do things in the best interest of itself without stepping on to many toes.

Dershowitz is very cynical, his book is completely one-sided and he ignores evidence that supports the Palestinian's cause. Many of his arguments are very thin and he lists about every single crime against the Israeli people but almost none on Palestinians.

He often presents his argument really early in the chapter and then rambles on for pages on crimes against the Jews that often don't have any relevance to his arguments. Am I suppose to believe that the Palestinians have a monopoly on violence in the region. In addition he tries to discredit Noam Chomsky, the most well-known and respected political thinker in the world.

Some of his arguments are so weak. I expect more from a prominant lawyer. In the section on Israeli's human rights record, he tries to justify it by saying that: Well, umm, Arab countries do it too. If I wrote that on a Political Science essay I would get a D. That does not justify Human rights violations nor does it give them a blank check.

Worst yet, he tries to pin the holocaust on the Palestinians by claiming that they had a moral obligation to accept Jews running away from Europe. The truth is that the entire western world is quilty of this. That's why the west recognized Israel because they didn't want Jewish people to come to their country. Canada and the United States turned away ships of Jews that were trying to escape and sent them back to Europe to die in camps. If we really want to prosecute everyone who is partly responsible for the holocaust then we can even blame German Jews who voted for the Nazis. But don't pin it on the Palestinians who are far less responsible than most people.

Actually I am Republican but don't like Israel, which is an odd combination.

Although the democrats aren't the best I could never go for the party thats considered the poster boy for the bible. The Republicans are now also know as the bible party, and conservatives want to push their traditions and beliefs on the rest of the country and thats exactly what we are fighting now in the mid east.

I just wish a there can be a 3rd party that supports the original values of America, but still keeping control on the major aspects needed. We learned from the depression that the gov't needed to get into business and other things. But for the gov't to tell us whats morally wrong and to pry into our personal lives is wrong and un- American.

I'm a more secular conservative when it comes to social issues.  I've never been one who thinks that religion should interfere with any political decisions.  I really believe in conservatism because I believe that the good of the state is more important than excessive individual freedom and that rationality and social darwinism are better philosophies than the sentimentality and weak-mongering of liberals.