America's Political Transformation
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Posted By: Tusi
Subject: America's Political Transformation
Date Posted: 21-Jan-2010 at 08:47
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Don't know how many of you here are famaliar with the "Tea Party" movement in America. It is a grassroots movement amongst
Americans - not affiliated with either political party - with a
conservative, capitalist, and nationalist agenda - against all
potential interference from outside America. Well a result of recent elections in New Jersey, and Massachusetts, provides a full proof of a giant political transformation in the United States. America is waking up to its weaknesses and shortcomings, tapping back at its roots and foundation. Although Republicans won in impossible states like New Jersey and Massachusetts - they should not start celebrating yet. People are fed-up with both parties, and a closer look at winners such as Scott Brown, shows exactly what type of people will be running America in the future. ------------- 
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Posted By: Gerry57
Date Posted: 21-Jan-2010 at 12:35
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I been looking for a new political party that believe in a small Government.That would demand that the original constitution be established again. Our freedoms should be morally, legality, and all people including politicians should be held to the same laws that all citizens are suppose to honor.I would like to see second amendment enforce to the point "real Americans" should own guns.Violate this right and you will be a prisoner and help work in the farms and repair roads and bridges. child rapers, murders, should be put to death,And I don't mean 10 years getting it done. ------------- Gerry O'Brien |
Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 21-Jan-2010 at 14:05
I can only agree with both of you and I was happy to see the results but will he compromise? Michael Savage thought he is only a man and a politician to boot, so don't put too much faith in him. He may dispoint some people and compromise with the liberals in some areas. I hope he is tough on terroism though and yes I support gun rights. ------------- Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 21-Jan-2010 at 14:46
Nothing about this statement is true: a) the Tea Party movement is NOT a grass roots movement, it is a political movement sponsored and encouraged by conservative organizations, and is now promoted on Fox News which advertises for it and encourages people to attend by giving times and the location of future protests. Nothing about the movement is grass roots... b) the movement is affiliated with a political party, the Republican Party, and on a broader level Conservatives as a whole. c) it is a movement composed of almost, if not entirely, conservative whites who may or may not harbor some racist feelings (I believe many of them do) d) they are not against political interference from outside America, they're against what they perceive is the nation's progression away from White American and towards a multi-cultural more liberal America, which is inevitable.
No, it simply shows that people are still ignorant enough to believe that a two party system works and simply switching between the same two parties will make a difference...
No, the only thing the the Tea Party Movement shows is that there are still people in this country who do not want the country to progress and adapt to global changes but would rather cling to an outdated backward ideology that simply does not work. |
Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 21-Jan-2010 at 15:15
No disrespect but what can you expect from a progressive liberal!! I will address this later but I must rush off now. Your asssesment is totally wrong about the real facts and sounds like liberal propaganda. Look what happened in Mass? Scot Brown!! 
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Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 21-Jan-2010 at 15:25
Defintion of Progressive:
I have no problem being progressive. As a matter of fact, its been "progressive liberals" who have created the world we live in today. Through out history, it has been "progressive liberals" who have created the social conditions which we enjoy today. Conservatives have always put up a fight (a fight that is simply a waste of time and energy for all sides and really pointless), but they always loose in the end. Being a person interested in history, you should know this  |
Posted By: Cryptic
Date Posted: 22-Jan-2010 at 10:30
This is an oversimplification. History shows that "Progressive Libererals" are just as prone to tyranny as conservatives.
For example, the Boshelvicks, Chairman Mao, and Pol Pot were progressive liberals who created new and modernised social conditions for the enjoyment of all. Their social doctine was presented as natural and inevitable. All those who resisted were simply "wasting their time".
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Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 22-Jan-2010 at 11:43
I agree with you here Cryptic!! Pure propaganda and most tea party people are independents who are sick of the Neo Con Globalist Republicans like Bush and Mcknuckles – oops I mean McCain. Savage came up with a better term for Progressive liberals that fits better neo-commies. There is a difference with the Republican party my parents supported as well as the Democrats. By Today’s standards John F. Kenney is conservative and if things were still like the early 60’s I would possibly be a Democrat. I don’t really know your politics or if you support Marxism so excuse me for labeling you right away. They are composed of mostly whites because guess who pays most of the taxes. I have seen non-whites involved and to most tea party supporters it is not about race and all are welcomed. I don’t agree with multiculturalism and see it as a threat to the unity of this nation. I believe in the melting pot! I support people passing on their language and culture to their children and grandchildren but we are all Americans first and foremost. When I see another person whether they are black, white, Hispanic, Asians- I only see an American period. I have Native American roots so racism is something I hate but you find it in all groups, I am aware that some tea party people are racist. I believe most are not and racist are not welcomed period. Funny- I am not even part of this group but only sympathetic to their cause. I am sure some tea party supporters I would also disagree with. I do believe in a Social safety net as long as it is not abused. I also get tired of people using the race card all the time. If someone always brings up race then I wonder who is the real racist!! Look at the current spending of Obama which is worse than Bush, who I also disliked. Many Tea party people are anti Bush and as far as being grass roots many own small businesses which are the back bone of our nation. The number one thing is it is their constitutional right to protest!! There is only one party- the Democans and Repulicrats controlled by the globalist elite. ------------- Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 22-Jan-2010 at 12:12
I never said otherwise and I agree that some progressives have created even worse conditions but for the most part, its because of progressives that we live in the world today. Lenin's intentions were good, but his system didnt work, for example. Martin Luther was a progressive for his time, he started the movement which eventually weakened the power of the Church and lead to secularism down the line... progressives have always beaten out those who wish to hold on to outdated ideas because the world changes, and we must change with it. |
Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 22-Jan-2010 at 12:17
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I guess it is how you define progressive. ------------- Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 22-Jan-2010 at 12:33
Most tea partiers are conservatives and sympathize with the Republican Party. Most of them voted for McCain and Palin, and most of them would vote for Palin in 2012, no matter how idiotic that is. They are conservatives and Republicans, they are not "independents".
Neo-commies? In what way?  This reminds me of the term Islamo-Fascist right? But them I wouldnt expect much from a fear mongering conservative such as Savage.
Well yea, things change every decade and America was a lot more conservative in the 60's than it is now, and it was even more conservative in the 30's and even more in the 1890's and so on.... but because of progressive liberals, things changed for the better (atleast in my opinion) and America has become a much better place. John F. Kennedy was a progressive liberal for his time.
Do I believe that Marx's world will one day become reality? I already see it happening. If you know what Marx says, then you know that the Soviet Union is not a good example of Communism and Marx would never have approved or believed that Russia was ready for that step, which it was not.
Taxes? Thats is one of the worst reasons I've heard. If it was about taxes, wouldnt there be a proportional amount of everyone represented? Its not about taxes, the overwhelming majority, if not all, of these protestors are 1) conservatives 2) white. A lot of them are also either racist or not too fond of "non-American's" (non-whites).
I agree.
Not racist? Check this out: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/16/10-most-offensive-tea-par_n_187554.html and these signs were held up at these rallies openly and proudly, and none of the other protesters said anything and organizers did nothing to stop them. I can show you more pictures if you like.
Why do you think it'll be abused?
I agree, people should not use the race card when it doesnt apply.
What? Do you not know anything about the current state of the country? Bush left Obama with three things: 1) an expensive war, WHICH OBAMA HAS TO PAY FOR 2) a recession and economic crisis, WHICH OBAMA HAS TO PAY FOR 3) problems with health care and social security, WHICH OBAMA HAS TO PAY FOR 1 and 2 are because of Bush, and you're blaming Obama for spending the money to fix these problems? You gotta be kidding me!
Most of them voted for Bush.... and for McCain and Palin....
What does that have to do with grass roots? These protests and the movement are not grassroots, they are organized by conservative organizations, this is a known fact!
They have their right to protests, and they can waste all the time they want spewing out their filt, racism, lies, and fear mongering, but the educated American will not stand for it. Historically, the conservatives always appeal to the lower and less educated classes, and progressives always appeal to the educated. This is because its always the less educated that fears change and conservatives can easily manipulate them. But like I said before, progressives have always come out on top, and it wont be any different now. Most of these tea partiers think that Palin will make a good president and that she is an intelligent woman... this country is doomed if tea partiers actually had a say in anything. |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 22-Jan-2010 at 12:35
I just defined progressive, its those who strive for change for the advancement of society... And here is one of the leaders of the Tea Party movement: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/15/tea-party-leader-melts-do_n_286933.html According to him Obama is an Indonesian Muslim and Welfare thug... why? This isnt racist? What does Islam have to do with it? See my point? |
Posted By: Cryptic
Date Posted: 22-Jan-2010 at 14:10
The progressive Marxists and Maoists were themselves beaten by the old "reactionary" beliefs and concepts that they thought would be naturally eliminated.
That has been a recent phenomenum in the USA. Conservatives in Asia (Confucian China and Japan) often drew their support from the most educated. Likewise, European Imperial conservatism drew its support from the educated population. It was the uneducated workers, and a few educated activists, who were progressive
Even now in the USA, that phenomenum no longer holds as much as it used to. Contrary to progressive propaganda, there is little difference mean education level between the conservative and progressive populations.
The term "leader" might be little misleading. The tea party movement is not a hierarchy, there are no leaders and members represent a broad range of beliefs. As a side note, I could find some bizarre statments by "leaders" of the enviromentalist movement (also non hierarchial) as well. |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 22-Jan-2010 at 14:22
Marxist idea's have not been "beaten". Marx said that for a nation to become communist, it must first be developed, industrialized, capitalist, and when its ready, naturally society will transform itself into a socialist one by the will of the people. China and Russia are failed examples because they fit none of the criterion which Marx laid out. Today, you can already see Marxist idea's winning out throughout the developed world. Europe is becoming more integrated and more socialist every decade which is a great thing. Every developed country in the world is slowly becoming more socialist. Eventually, I predict, Marx's idea's will come to fruition because it makes sense.
This isnt necessarily true, in the 19th and early 20th century it was most intellectuals who advocated more progressive ways of thinking and running their nations and led their countries away from confucianism.
you have to distinguish the time line here... eventually new progressives changed that system.
By educated I not only mean the standard school education, but also the ability to stay informed, know facts, etc... conservatives in this nation are less educated in that they do not know what they are talking about most of the time and are easily manipulated because of their blind nationalism and patriotism.
I guess I should have said one of the leaders (i guess leaders are those who organize local protests to be more specific). Here is another one: http://chattahbox.com/us/2010/01/04/racist-tea-party-leader-cant-spell-the-n-word/ He cant even spell the N word. |
Posted By: Cryptic
Date Posted: 22-Jan-2010 at 14:38
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I doubt it. Europe as already taken steps back from socialism. Even France has re examined some its long held socialist policies. Ditto for Scandanavia. Europe is the old developed world. South Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia and Singapore seem to have rejected many aspects of European socialism.
At the end of the day, socialism only works in the small scale where it is completely voluntary. In the west, Monasteries have practiced socialism for centuries. Kind of ironic, the few successful practioners of socialism are religious. Yet what did Marx say about religion
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Yikes, how many others have fallen into the same trap? Because group "Y" adheres to beliefs "X", they must be either dim witted or slogan chanters. Therefore, victory is inevitable. The Republicans made this mistake about their rivals. Kind of iromic how progressives fall into the same trap
Progressives have produced the same degree of blindness. Take for example, the 32 hour work week, the UAW, extreme multicultarism, no paddling laws etc etc. |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 22-Jan-2010 at 14:38
Interesting. So what type steps are France and the Scandinavian countries taking or what are they re examining? |
Posted By: Cryptic
Date Posted: 22-Jan-2010 at 14:46
Everything in France in on the chopping block to a degree.
Sarkozy plans to privatize state owned companies,shed excess government employees (France has a huge and unsustainable number of people on the government pay roll), reduce unemployment benefits that encourage people to stay unemployed, and reduce government subsidies to life long, "career" students.
He has also called for radical changes to French laws governing the dismissal of workers and the establishment of new business. He has also taken a realistic look at the 32 hour work week.
Scandanavia has also had to reduce some of the "cradle to grave" benefits.
Good point. But there were centuries of educated conservatives. In the end, progressives do not have a monopoly on the educated population
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Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 23-Jan-2010 at 13:05
Thats not at all what I'm saying, they can believe whatever they want, but when you ask them why they believe and to support their position, they have no argument or facts or answers. For example, they will make the unfounded and ridiculous claim that America has the best health care system in the world, but will have nothing to back it. Thats what I mean by un-educated. |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 23-Jan-2010 at 16:11
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TGS, wrote the following;
"Lenin's intentions were good, but his system didnt work, for example. Martin Luther was a progressive for his time, he started the movement which eventually weakened the power of the Church and lead to secularism down the line... progressives have always beaten out those who wish to hold on to outdated ideas because the world changes, and we must change with it." Lenin's intentions did not work? How about Stalin's? You know TGS, that there is an old saying which, I would guess, most of you Socialists either ignore or since you educational level is so high, that you have forgotten or discarded years ago! It is; "The road to perdition is paved with good intentions!" Hell, Hitler had them, so did Castro and Che', so did Mao, so did Mussolini, and Pol Pot! All of the above could easily be classified as "progressive socialists!" Well, it seems that they succeeded in "progressing" about 200 million people out of their lives! (note two hundred million may not be correct, but what true progressive gives a shit about a few million or so?) Do you believe that George Bernard Shaw gave a shit? Hey, he was the poster child for "progressive socialism!" As is Che', Mao, and all of the others mentioned! Of course America has had its share of progressives, I would guess that A. Jackson, and T. Rooseveldt, and "the president who would keep us out of war" was one of the best? President Hoover, however, would not make your list! But President Barry Obama, probably would? Oh! I am sorry, it seems he gave up his childhood nickname "Barry", a few years ago! But, don't worry about it, he still has a close group of "progressive" advisors, heck one even used to promote "bombing Federal Offices", and "Power plants", and "communication towers", etc.! Hey, a guy like that can surely be called "progressive" can he not? I for one, wonder why? Oh! I must modify the above post by stating what TGS will soon be writing! It surely will began by mentioning that I am a respondant from the "racist state of Mississippi"! Come on TGS, I just know you can't help but mention it? Laugh! ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: Gerry57
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2010 at 12:09
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The recent Supreme Court Decision on Corporate financial influence into our corrupt political system proves that America's Political Transformation is moving on as the Zion's have planned. As long the people accept "Capitalism" as a form of economic engine in our country.Then we can never achieve our aspiration of having the GOLD standard compare to the rest of the world. I'm not convince the "Tea Party"campaign is no better or effective than The "Change" that our new President had promised. Each politician, lawyers, and corporate board of directors must be held accountable. To instill honesty,I suggest a public hanging on Sunday with a nation-wide Bar-Ba-Que!We have no one or party that represents us and not one thing to force chance, except to tear apart our present system and start over. We must a multi-party system.Every party would receive the same amount of money to spend and six weeks to campaign for office. Negative campaigns style tactics would not be allowed. State what you or your partywould do to improve the lives of all Americans. No company would be allow to send money or speak in favor of any party or person running. All companies in American must be American owned.
All illegals and their illegally American born family members must be deported. ------------- Gerry O'Brien |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2010 at 13:17
Lenin's intentions were good, Stalin was simply a power hungry dictator.
No, Hitler COULD NOT be considered a progressive because he was clinging on to OLD ideas, such as racism and world conquest. Hitler appealed to conservatives. Get your facts straight. Castro and Che WERE progressives because they wanted to change the world for the better, but they failed, These are also two people whose intentions were good. Do you even know anything about Che's life? I suggest you find out and understand what his motivations were.
And all the hundreds of millions of people that conservatives have killed doesnt mean a thing to you? Atleast when progressives kill its for change, conservatives kill to maintain the status quo or even worse, take us further back.
You're argument makes no sense and you I dont think you get what this conversation is about. And I like how once again you blame Obama for a mess that a conservative got this country in to.
I agree with a few things in your post. We should have a multi party system, and parties should all have an equal amount of money and time to campaign, and campaigns should be kept short. In Japan for example, every candidate gets an hour on tv to make their case, irregardless of party or number of followers. With regards to deporting illegals, thats a monumental task which at this point is impossible. Also, many of the illegals have children that are US citizens. |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2010 at 14:36
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TGS wrote; "Do you even know anything about Che's life? I suggest you find out and understand what his motivations were."
His motives? Murder, terrorism, torture, all wonderful motives! I suppose as you wrote, that you and they support the killing of millions so the masses might be better off? Well I also have "motives", and since it is good enough for Che' and company, then my motive(s) would be the end of terrorism to reduce the innocent people killed by them! I suggest we nuke all nations that sponser and support terrorists! Heck we might well kill a few hundred million, but I would cerainly feel good about my motives, which really was "to save lives!" There, does that not make me a good "progressive?" Laugh! Please read about National Socialism? They were quite ready to go to bed with other Socialist nations, like the USSR! Soviet Russia even supplied the NAZI war machine with supplies! The CPUSA wrote wonderful accounts of the beneficial Socialists within the NAZI government, and how their acts opened the world to "true Socialism!", etc. But of course they would also happily write that Mother Teresa was a cross dressing capitalist homo-sexual making millions of dollars of the poverty of poor Indians! chuckle Really they would! I would suggest that FDR would have more respect from me if he had said "We have nothing to fear but large government", rather than the phrase he actually said! BTY, Obama and his progressive friends have in one years placed the USA into more debt that both of the Bush administrations! I believe it now exceeds over $60,000 dollars for every man, woman and child in the USA! The average family of five now owes over $300,000! While I believe that you support taxes, I really doubt that you are willing to pay "your fair share?" Fair means "equitable" amongst other things, so merely divide the current debt by three hundred million or so, and that would be your "equitable" share! OH! I forgot, that has already been done! So please send your $60,000, right now, to the Department of the Treasury, and consign it to your share of the nationl debt! Go ahead! I double dare you! Laugh! Oh! I forgot, you would expect people who make more than you to also pay more! Surprise, they already do! And, just why should we (the tax-payers) support every little piece of crap party, and inply that they could spend the same amount as a Democrat party machine to elect candidates! Yeah! What a wonderful, but equitable way of campaign financing! Let's see, the American Nazi Party, and the Weathermen Party, and the "Death to all Zionists" party, as well as our current list of political parties, should all be given equitable funds, (from tax-payers, of which only a little more than 50% of the American public now acutally pays)to all of these piece of crap parties dedicated to hate, class envy, and nihilism,and worse!, etc.? ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2010 at 14:48
Here is the definition of the word motive:
now re-read what I said, and then reply once you've figured it out. Thanks.
Well, our presidents have killed tens of millions of people on that premise So you're a little late, they beat you to it!
What does this have to do with anything? I'm confused. and no, the NAZI's were never in bed with the USSR except for the late 30's and early 40's when they need Soviet neutrality during their invasion of Poland. The NAZI's hated communism, and Slavs in general.
What are you talking about? I'm so confused....
He did great things for this country, but I wouldn't expect you to know anything about that.
Oh my god...seriously? Obama has to pay for a war that Bush started, he has to pay to get us out of an economic crisis that Bush started, and he has to pay to fix a health care system that is falling a part because Bush did not do a single positive thing in 8 years. Yea, its Obama's fault because your memory only goes back a year.
I willing to pay more than my fair share. I'm willing to pay extra so that another human being has access to health and a better quality of life. Thats what seperates me and you I guess. |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2010 at 16:52
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I would suggest that this site will inform anyone of the real history of the so called "Progressive" movement and what it really meant!
In truth, what TGS mentioned is correct, that is any political organization, such as the National Socialist Party, that intends to improve the development of "supermen", is by its very nature "Progressive", and I certainly feel that the word "Progressive" used by these people, like George Bernard Shaw, Hitler, and hundreds of others, means "progressive sterilization or elimination" of those souls who are unable to be of "material" use to the state! Here is the site; http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/25/climategate-is-not-the-first-time-progressive-scientists-have-lied-to-the-world/ ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2010 at 20:48
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Do you even read other peoples posts? Why enter a discussion if you just ignore others and when they counter your arguments you simply do not reply but instead go off on another tangent? This isnt productive at all. By the way, thats a very neutral reliable non-biased source you got there...bravo, I sure am speechless now. |
Posted By: zenn
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2010 at 07:23
I'm quoting you because I wanted to start a tangent about how "movements" in the U.S. get hijacked by the establishment powers, and you touched upon two of them. The Tea party movement has been hijacked by conservatives. As a libertarian, I have long had a gripe with many of the talking-heads (mostly on the radio) who give lip-service to smaller, less-intrusive government, and call it "conservatism" but that is only to placate and pull libertarians into the republican tent. Conservatives are rarely small government minded except for lower taxes. The tea party movement started out somewhat independent, but was quickly picked up by conservatives (mentioned above) for election year political purposes. You call progressives as "those who strive for change for the advancement of society..." This is the ideal of progressives. Those who want progress, so to speak. However, the progressive "movement" has either rest in the hands of, or been mimicked by, the socialist minded for a century in the U.S. Most of those things advanced under banner of "progressive" tend to fit less into the spirit of 'advancement' and more in the vane of social programs, social experimentation, and social justice. I'm not trying to sound conspiratorial, however, because I think it is understandably within the nature of political powers are to take advantage of "movements" when they can, not unlike how advertisers jump on and take advantage of fads. What happens, though, is that the movement's ideals get consumed by the larger powers. |
Posted By: Gerry57
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2010 at 07:49
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As far as deporting illegals and their illegal American born children would be a Hugh task, but not impossible. You first authorized local and police forces to check for illegals. Check school records and Social Security numbers of parents.Then the final phase is to mandated every company from one person to a million to sign up for the E-verify program. Then you go to every company and check everyone information. If a company is caught then they would be fined $100,000 dollars per illegal. Letting all illegals that will be allow to drive back across the border or make arrangements at the local airport to receive their flight home. Then we must use military troops to check people at their home. If things don't seem right.Then you run a background check to determined if they are really legal. At the end America would be a better country and all Americans would have a job with good pay and benefits. Hitler had some good ideas and good policies.I also feel he allowed people around him to give him very bad advice. Saving your culture, music, roots, and heritage is a very good idea it seems to me. ------------- Gerry O'Brien |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2010 at 10:25
I think you are making very valid and important points. However, I do not believe that progressive ideals have been high jacked by Socialists because Socialists themselves are a product of progressivism and its a natural bi-product, one that will develop further with time as people in developed countries become more in tune with the world around them, as Marx himself predicted would happen. Keep in mind that Socialism does not equal communism and Soviet or Chinese style rule. It is agreed that those were failed systems and systems that Marx would not have supported. Social programs, experimentation, and justice are indeed "advancement" if they do advance society. For example, universal health care is a social program but it will also make the United States a better place. It has already been tried in an become successful in every other developed nation on Earth.
There are more than 10 million illegal immigrants in the United States. Many of these immigrants now have children who are citizens of the United States. There is no such thing as an "illegal American born child". If you're born on American soil, you are American, thats the law. Furthermore, many aspects of the US economy are not dependent on illegal immigrant labor. It is IMPOSSIBLE to remove illegal immigrants from the US, the situation has gone past the point of no return. |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2010 at 18:44
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Zenn, wrote; "You call progressives as "those who strive for change for the advancement of society..."
This is the ideal of progressives. Those who want progress, so to speak. However, the progressive "movement" has either rest in the hands of, or been mimicked by, the socialist minded for a century in the U.S. Most of those things advanced under banner of "progressive" tend to fit less into the spirit of 'advancement' and more in the vane of social programs, social experimentation, and social justice. I'm not trying to sound conspiratorial, however, because I think it is understandably within the nature of political powers are to take advantage of "movements" when they can, not unlike how advertisers jump on and take advantage of fads. What happens, though, is that the movement's ideals get consumed by the larger powers." Thanks for your post! You do seem to see things from a uniqued viewpoint, just like TGS! My regards to both of you! How-ever, (those deadly words, laugh!), IK feel that you are somewhat simplistic? That is, you seem to itemize people and groups into "for" or "against" your views! For example TGS, wrote these words; "I just defined progressive, its those who strive for change for the advancement of society..." And I would, in opposition, state that the meaning of "progressive" leans more to the "One step at a time", meaning than "getting better?" It means, that one must have the guts to take every chance to "change" America, not via "revolution", which even the Beatles were against, to the Beatles word "Evolution", which is but one letter different than "R-evolution!", etc. So, "progressives" have decided to take every step, as not a "giant step", but as a "mouse step!", and it will only take a longer time to overcome the formerly educated "middle class", until they will forget the "real" past, and like lambs, be led into the slaughter that is formulated by every true "progressive" in history! When it come to eliminating the "un-educated" and the "un-educatable" class, I might well agree? But, it would make me an accessory to so much violence, bloodshed, and pain, that I could not, in any good thought, ever countanence such a plan! But, it seems, way too many of our current leaders, are again ready to "clear the field", as it may well be said! (remove the worthless) Progressive-ism, merely means "one step at a time!" The way to progress from "a" to "z" is by merely moving along a timeline whereby, "b" becomes "f" and then "l", etc.! Times that allows the "progressive" unit to skip letters only happens rarely! And, today it seems is one of those times? (The Obama administration) But, perhaps "they" have been caught in time? ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2010 at 19:53
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First of all, I got my definition of progressive from Merriam Webster's dictionary, its not my own definition. Second of all, I see that you saw Glenn Beck's program today, you just restated what he said almost word for word. You didnt see that one coming did you? I get Fox News too, and I watch it occasionally to get a good laugh! |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2010 at 10:53
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Hey! I am glad you also watch the show! Maybe you will become able to pay attention next time? (actually if the Obama administration has its way, we all may be so poor that we cannot afford to pay attention? chuckle!
And, thanks! I thought I remembered the gist of his remarks and black-board demonstrations quite well! I thought the "A - Z" analogy was quite impressive! You might well know than my remarks concerning Hitler and National Socialism, was mostly culled from one of Beck's earlier shows! Neat, huh? By the way his TV show comes on at four PM Central time! Don't miss it? And, do your really think that Merriam-Webster knows better than Glenn? Laugh! You might well know that another definition of "progressive" is; "progressive 5 Definition: advancing in severity; "progressive paralysis" The site for the above definition is; http://ardictionary.com/Progressive/12493 Also this; "4.[adjective] favoring or promoting reform (often by government action) Synonyms: reformist, reform-minded" The above definition is from; http://www.elook.org/dictionary/progressive.html You must understand TGS, that just because the word "Progressive" contains the simple word "Progress" does not automatically prove that "reforms" or "government actions", will actually result in "Progress", any more than you can prove that "Regressive" policies, which does not receive a friendly definition in most cases, will result in "Regression!" You might well want to read this? http://www.thefreedictionary.com/regressive Just what would you determine is a "regressive tax?" as opposed to a "Progressive" one? I would support the theory that the Government of the USA, is more like a "cancer" than anything else! Thus, when ever a cancer progresses, the patient gets worse off, etc., but whenever one can force the cancer to regress, then the patient might well survive! Yes indeed, your progressive buddies may well increase the "severity" of the current situation, and lead the USA into a period of "paralysis?" Seriously! (Note that there is no chuckle or laugh here!) And, note that in our PC world, about the only time I can now use the word "Retard", is to describe actions designed to "retard" the growth / spread of government, or a cancer, or even a forest fire! Laugh! Regards, ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: zenn
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2010 at 11:36
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Well, like many other terms, the connotation changes over time. I think that in the 50's and 60's in the U.S., most people thought that "progress" meant growth, particularly economic. "I as your new Mayor promise to court new business, and I plan to keep my promise to get that new shopping mall near the town center. We are all about progress". Seems somewhat more capitalistic than the current connotation. |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2010 at 12:17
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Yes Zenn, your remarks are correct! In a Capitalist system, growth is expected to create "progress", in that more people, meant more workers, and more consumers, etc.! and I.e. more sales, and profits!
False projections concerning growth was it seems one of the main problems with the SS System and its failure! That is, it was expected that a strong growth in the population was not only expected but had to occur for this "Ponzi" scheme of sorts to have any real chance of working. Thus, lower growth rates, helped to create a pure consumer oriented society, whereby more goods were able to be produced via improved industial methods, robotics, etc., and greater productivity! The developement of psychological studies in the advertising industry then were able to actually create a demand for products that had never before existed nor were they all products with a real use! But, the above describes Capitalism and not Progressive-ism, aka Socialism, etc. TGS recently wrote that; "Lenin's intentions were good.." Well, here are his intentions; "Lenin The revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat is rule won, and maintained, by the use of violence, by the proletariat, against the bourgeoisie, rule that is unrestricted by any laws.[9] A state of the exploited must fundamentally differ from such a state; it must be a democracy for the exploited, and a means of suppressing the exploiters; and the suppression of a class means inequality for that class, its exclusion from democracy.[9] The proletariat cannot achieve victory without breaking the resistance of the bourgeoisie, without forcibly suppressing its adversaries, and that, where there is forcible suppression, where there is no freedom, there is, of course, no democracy.[9] And if you exploiters attempt to offer resistance to our proletarian revolution we shall ruthlessly suppress you; we shall deprive you of all rights; more than that, we shall not give you any bread, for in our proletarian republic the exploiters will have no rights, they will be deprived of fire and water, for we are socialists in real earnest, and not in the Scheidemann or Kautsky fashion.[9] The dictatorship of the proletariat, i.e. the organization of the vanguard of the oppressed as the ruling class for the purpose of suppressing the oppressors, cannot result merely in an expansion of democracy. Simultaneously, with an immense expansion of democracy, which, for the first time, becomes democracy for the poor, democracy for the people, and not democracy for the money-bags, the dictatorship of the proletariat imposes a series of restrictions on the freedom of the oppressors, the exploiters, the capitalists. We must suppress them in order to free humanity from wage slavery, their resistance must be crushed by force; it is clear that there is no freedom and no democracy where there is suppression and where there is violence. — The State and Revolution" Thus his "good intentions" meant "exploiting the exploiters", execution, murder, starvation, etc.! There could be no leniency (Lenin-cy?) given! A good pun, eh? Or was it a play on words? Laugh! Thus, Lenin's words from above; "The proletariat cannot achieve victory without breaking the resistance of the bourgeoisie, without forcibly suppressing its adversaries, and that, where there is forcible suppression, where there is no freedom, there is, of course, no democracy.[9]" As well as; "The revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat is rule won, and maintained, by the use of violence, by the proletariat, against the bourgeoisie, rule that is unrestricted by any laws.[9]" Remember the above were Lenin's, "good intentions!" Boy, I am glad he had no bad intentions! chuckle! Regards, ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2010 at 13:52
LOL, I only watch his show maybe once every 6 months when I'm incredibly bored and to laugh a little bit and see to what a low point this country has sunk... 
He talks to his viewers like they're children...its a shame that someone can make themselves a multi-millionaire by taking advantage of those who are easily manipulated.
You restated his exact argument just like he wants, without examing anything yourself. If I easily dissecting your point (which I can) like all the other times I have done in the past, you would not be able to defend your position (like has happened in the past). You are simply repeating what you have been taught to say by that nut job.
Believe me, I learn more from Jerry Springer than Beck, and his show is on at 12pm central time...also on Fox.
Merriam Webster is a dictionary, which gives the definitions of words, so yes, I'm sure the dictionary can provide more information on English vocabulary definitions than Beck.
Yea...duh.
What the hell are you even talking about? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. BTW, your precious Glenn Beck was one of the biggest critics of the United States Health Care system just before Obama got elected. Then all of a sudden he makes the ridiculous claim that "it is the best health care system in the world"... Dont you realize he is just making money off of you and doesnt give a shit about you? He'll charge you $20 to see his infomercial for christ sake... Hes rich as hell, he doesnt have to worry about any of the daily problems that his viewers face, yet he takes advantage of their nationalism and patriotism to scare them constantly and manipulate and brainwash them. |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2010 at 13:57
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Dont get progress and progressive mixed together. Progress is a vocabulary word that can be used in many different forms, like "I made progress on my essay today". Progressive or progressives refer to a certain ideology. At Opuslola, read a dictionary and understand the meaning of the words I am saying. "Good intentions" and "motives" do not mean what he did or what he wanted to do, they are defined by what outcomes he wanted to achieve, which were good ones, such as equality for all, justice for all, building a utopia on Earth, etc... Obviously, he failed.... pick up any history book. Why do I even have to explain this? And while we are on the subject, the capitalist system has killed tens of millions more people than the Soviet Union's communism. |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2010 at 14:02
And a Seig Heil to you too. Besides being outrageous, what you propose is against the Constitutuion of the US.
If you removed 10 million people from the labor pool the Agriculture, Construction and most service industries would come to a screeching halt. These are jobs that we don't have people for otherwise.
Lastly, Nothing the Nazis did was good in any shape or form. Don't attempt to glorify or justify anything they did, you can't. And trying to won't win you many friends here.
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Posted By: Gerry57
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2010 at 17:58
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As far as not been able to run and produce food for our country is alittle naive. There are plenty of people in every state in prisons who can work in the fields. With alot fewer people in our country "illegally".We can produce what we need.If it looks like we need more people then, and only then shall we allow some type of Alien guest worker program can be allowed. They must have a GPS chip implanted and be forced to live at the farms or alien housing securely locked up every night.
I'm alittle shocked that you don't have any faith in our race of people to take care ourselves.We have done a good job during the ice age and during our journey though Europe. Once we have our country back. If one's has nothing to hide, then one wouldn't care and would want the law breakers punished and sent home.Then the people will elect politicians who we serve our needs rather than the special interests, the Elite and Corporations. Caught doing other wise would be public hanging on Sunday. It sounds like you may be afraid of returning our country back to the original constitution. Any changes;then the American people will decide. Now onto Hitler. History will be able to remind you that German Territory was stolen from the Fatherland and transferred to Poland and Austria. I feel Hitler or any other leader has a right to take back what belongs to them. Between America and the British they gave away what wasn't their decision to make. Now to the money changers. When they were in Russian and cause a deal of trouble there.The Gypsy's then started traveling Europe.They was trying to squeeze the money market in Germany as they have done here in modern day American. It took courage and vision to resit the traveling tramps, thieves and liars.The Jews could have left, but they decided to stir the pot. As far as saving your race, heritage, customs, music, and our linkage. I can only guess you aren't aware of your linkage. May I suggest you read the history books prior too and after the WWII. from the libraries across Europe.You may really be surprised about what you learn. ------------- Gerry O'Brien |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2010 at 19:05
Ok, its obvious that you're some type of White supremacist so... ...guess what? America is no longer a "white" nation and it has never been just a "white" nation. Get over it, you need immigrants, this nation needs immigrants. 75% of PhD holders in this country will be immigrants in the near future because they work harder and care more, and they are the ones developing and maintaining this country, not the majority "whites" who will soon also be a minority. With that said, Latino's will eventually become the largest ethnic group in the nation, 51%, and with that said, only 10% of them will have college degrees, that is a scary thought. Also, you do not seem to understand how integrated illegal immigrants have become in this nations economy. If we got rid of illegals, the economy would suffer greatly. Many of their children are US citizens who CANNOT be deported. Most illegals do jobs no one else would do, so if they were deported who would take these jobs, certainly not anyone else. There are vast social, economic, and political consequences of your proposed plan. This isnt Hitler's Germany. |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2010 at 19:40
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Gee! TGS, it seems we have created something like a "firestorm?" Ain't it great?
But, dear sir, it is you and your ilk that are deluded by false prophets! You wrote; "BTW, your precious Glenn Beck was one of the biggest critics of the United States Health Care system just before Obama got elected. Then all of a sudden he makes the ridiculous claim that "it is the best health care system in the world..." While I do not rememeber "herr doktor Beck" saying what you remember, I would not disagree! You must see, herr doktor must cultivate what ever plants that might grow from his fertilizer? chuckle! But, for you to say that you are flummoxed?(sp) by my other posts, is remarkable! Your were actually confused by these words? "Originally posted by opuslola You must understand TGS, that just because the word "Progressive" contains the simple word "Progress" does not automatically prove that "reforms" or "government actions", will actually result in "Progress", any more than you can prove that "Regressive" policies, which does not receive a friendly definition in most cases, will result in "Regression!" You might well want to read this? http://www.thefreedictionary.com/regressive Just what would you determine is a "regressive tax?" as opposed to a "Progressive" one? I would support the theory that the Government of the USA, is more like a "cancer" than anything else! Thus, when ever a cancer progresses, the patient gets worse off, etc., but whenever one can force the cancer to regress, then the patient might well survive! Yes indeed, your progressive buddies may well increase the "severity" of the current situation, and lead the USA into a period of "paralysis?" Seriously! (Note that there is no chuckle or laugh here!) And, note that in our PC world, about the only time I can now use the word "Retard", is to describe actions designed to "retard" the growth / spread of government, or a cancer, or even a forest fire! Laugh!" I think that maybe you should re-read the above? And, take a deep breath, and think? Laugh! regards, ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2010 at 21:01
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Gerry57,
I have heard that gargle before, all of us have. I won't dignify it by saying anything more than your suspended. StormFront awaits you.
 As there has been a question raised-
Violations are- Trolling and off topic posting as well as sec. 5 though 8 of the Code of Conduct. I posted only the numbers in hopes that someone will actually read it.
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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2010 at 21:09
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While I do not rememeber "herr doktor Beck" saying what you remember, I would not disagree! You must see, herr doktor must cultivate what ever plants that might grow from his fertilizer? chuckle! Eehhh, your not too bad at spreading it yourself there, Farmer Ron.
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Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2010 at 22:36
Would you like me to remind you? Here it is, Beck in his own words (Hes simply making money off of you, dont you realize this? Hes taking advantage of you. He will say whatever he has to to make money, and guess what, he is a MULTI-MILLIONAIRE because he screws over people like you): http://www.indecisionforever.com/2009/08/14/jon-stewart-owns-glenn-beck-on-healthcare-hypocrisy/ Why did he switch so quickly? Maybe its because a black man is doing something no white man could, maybe Beck is racist? In his own words: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/28/fox-host-glenn-beck-obama_n_246310.html With regards to the United States "having the best health care system in the world", here is the ranking by the World Health Organization (WHO): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHO%27s_ranking_of_health_care_systems The US is ranked #37... This is your precious Glenn Beck. I'm trying to help you buddy.
Youre argument gets more and more ridiculous every time, and you make the most ridiculous statements and connections that its hard to respond and its a waste of time to respond. Everytime I dissect and analyze one of youre "points" and expose its flaws you simply ignore my post and come up with something just as if not more ridiculous... I can read, just read and respond to things that are worth the effort. Such as your above statement regarding Beck that I responded to. |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2010 at 08:02
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Dear TGS, you posted this site as a refutation of Beck; %20 - http://www.indecisionforever.com/2009/08/14/jon-stewart-owns-glenn-beck-on-healthcare-hypocrisy/
I don't know, but it seems the name of this site is really "Comedy Central!" And I know "comedy" when I see it! Laugh! And you go on and post this site; %20 - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/28/fox-host-glenn-beck-obama_n_246310.html Number one, in case you didn't know, Huffington, was a few years ago, a raging right-wing pundit! But, suddenly it seems she had a life altering experience of some sort (Maybe she was visited by the Angel of Death?), and made a 180 degree turn in her political stance! And, what indeed is wrong with what Beck said? Was it based upon anything that has some fact behind it? Does he not have the right to express his opinion? Certainly African Americans casually bandy around the word "racist" at every opportunity! It seems that if you on the left cannot defeat the "message" your response is to "slay the messenger!" Demean his religious beliefs (but you do not belittle the religious beliefs of our Commander in Chief, when he stayed a member (for 20 years) of an obviously deranged pastor in Chicago, who regularly made racist comments from the pulpit! I never saw Obama refer to his "religious champion" as a "racist?" But, he merely distanced himself from the situation, by it appears, forgoing to attend any church services while President! Certainly a first for the Presidency! And the last site you gave me; %20 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHO%27s_ranking_of_health_care_systems This is of course a United Nations operation, an organization of USA haters, and buffoons, and dictators, for the most part! I certainly feel that most of the people in the USA have little or no respect for the UN! I know I do not! Mostly it seems they manage to bungle almost every time they are forced into taking some action! And, I feel that this answer is so obvious to anyone who cares to look, if American health care is so bad, they why do world leaders, come to the USA by the hundreds for their medical care? "Splain that to me Lucy?" No, I am not calling you "Lucy", but merely using that little phrase as a comedic interlude, it was one of the favorite expression of "Ricky Recardo (Desi Arnez)" to "Lucile Ball" (Lucy Recardo) on a well known comedy TV show. Desi had a thick Cuban accent, and thus "explain" came out "splain!" Laugh! Wait a minute, that was not shown on "Comedy Central", was it? Laugh! Regards, ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2010 at 09:06
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By the way eaglecap! That was certainly a good photo of Dr. Savage and his famous dog! It is extremely noticable that his life raft is named "Patriot!" A good name!
If I am ever again in San Francisco, I think I will have to eat at one of his favorite Italian resturants! Maybe I'll get lucky and even meet Savage himself? Regards, By the way, do you know his real name? If so, please send it to me in a private message! We would not want the enemy to know it! Just kidding! ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2010 at 09:26
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Red-clay wrote; "Eehhh, your not too bad at spreading it yourself there, Farmer Ron."
Yes, I guess I did spread it a little too deep! Chuckle! I used to buy a lot of Ammonia Nitrate, but I have found out that it is dangerous to do so today! Especially if you have a diesel engine! chuckle! And TGS, I asked this question earlier; "Just what would you determine is a "Regressive tax?" as opposed to a "Progressive" one?" Do you have a reply? I consider all taxes as somewhat, "Regressive!" Regards,  ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2010 at 10:57
So you are saying that the Daily Show made up those clips? Those are actual clips of Glenn Beck, how can you deny this? And for the record, the Daily Show is an award winning program and Jon Stewart is a very intelligent man who some consider to be the most reliable news anchor in America.
I do not care what huffington did, thats simply where the clip is stored and that does not change the content of the clip.
So Beck can call Obama a racist who hates white people or white culture without any proof or without any provocation? He can just say that and he is being sincere with no political or racist intentions of his own? Oh come on! He obviously said that for a reason, what the hell has Obama done to white people? Maybe its because hes a "Muslim"
Slay the messenger? Beck is not a messenger, he makes up his own propaganda and fools people into paying him for it. He has become a millionaire since he started this, he has no message other than fear mongering, greed, and to make himself wealthy.
WOW  I'm simply absolutely shocked by this statement.
Which world leaders? Please name them. Again, you cannot, because most world leaders get better health care in their countries then they would in the United States.
Are you talking about the Daily Show or the Comedy Central tv channel? If you are talking about the Daily Show, its more factual than Fox News, thats for certain. If you are talking about Comedy Central the channel, then I have to admit, Fox News is a lot more hilarious.
Yes, I do. Progressive tax puts more of the burden on wealthier citizens, while regressive tax puts more of the burden the poor. |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2010 at 11:30
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Dear TGS! It was enjoyable to have the above discourses with you! And, you are able to handle the reparte' very well! My hat is off to you!
It seems that it would be best if we just agree to disagree! Thus I will leave you with this, the acceptance speech of FDR, in 1932; The below is from Wiki! "In his acceptance speech, Roosevelt declared: 'Throughout the nation men and women, forgotten in the political philosophy of the Government, look to us here for guidance and for more equitable opportunity to share in the distribution of national wealth... I pledge you, I pledge myself to a new deal for the American people... This is more than a political campaign. It is a call to arms.' The election campaign was conducted under the shadow of the Great Depression in the United States, and the new alliances which it created. Roosevelt and the Democratic Party mobilized the expanded ranks of the poor as well as organized labor, ethnic minorities, urbanites, and Southern whites, crafting the New Deal coalition. During the campaign, Roosevelt said: 'I pledge you, I pledge myself, to a new deal for the American people', coining a slogan that was later adopted for his legislative program as well as his new coalition." It seems strangly similar to todays times, does it not? E.g., New Deal V. change! The redistribution of wealth, recession V. depression, bank failures, creation of new departments, etc.? C'est bon! Regarde' vous! ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2010 at 16:12
I will not agree to disagree because this is the future of our country. I want to see the United States continue to lead the world technologically and economically and continue to prosper. I dont not want to see this country be destroyed by destroyed.
Are you serious? Do you know what social security is? You probably use it (if you are as old as you claim to be). Also, do you know what medicaid and medicare are? SOCIAL SECURITY WAS PASSED AS A PART OF THE NEW DEAL. You obviously have no idea what FDR even did during his presidency... Medicare and Medicaid were also passed despite Republican's trying to stop the democrats, and now today no one, not even Glenn Beck, would say that we should get rid of Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid unless they're insane. This is what I'm talking about, its impossible to debate with someone who has no idea what they're talking about.... Glenn Beck loves people like you, hell, you've made him a millionaire, congratulations, what has he done for you in return? And regarding Glenn Becks flip flop, he changed his mind in just 16 months! What happened in those 16 months that the US health care system went from being horrible (his own opinion) to it all of a sudden becoming the "best" in the world? Huffington changed her opinion after many years, when she became disillusioned with her previous beliefs, not a year and four months. |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2010 at 16:26
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My dear Great Simba, I totally agree with all you have to say above! I yield Sir Knight!
You can stop your "ranting" anytime! Laugh! And, if you can get the "reparations" bill passed, I guess I will be contributing for a while? Also, as weird as it sounds, I am not qualified for SS! Funny huh? Regards, PS; Hey Red! I tried? ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2010 at 15:37
I'm ranting?
Why not? |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2010 at 17:32
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If you really want to know, it is because I am restrained by former Governmental regulations! I am, it seems, a retired FED! And, thus covered by another Federal plan! But, since it is a very good one, I must presume that it was a Conservative Republican plan? Ha!
There is your riddle! Actually it is not a riddle but, for you, somewhat of an investigative lead! That is what I did for many a year, follow "leads!" Let's see how good a Special Agent you might be? And TGS, you wrote above; "I will not agree to disagree because this is the future of our country. I want to see the United States continue to lead the world technologically and economically and continue to prosper. I dont not want to see this country be destroyed..." And, neither do I!!!! I actually carried a firearm for 28 years to "defend the United States against all enemies, both foreign and domestic, an to protect and defend the Constitution of the US, against the same!" I would respectfully suggest that you take the time to read the Consitution? And, of course, I cannot expect you to have the same reverance for it as do I, and most all of the Officers who took the oath to protect and defend the "our" Constitution against all enemies, etc.! Please let me just say that I still believe in the 10th ammendment, as well as the others! It seems most Americans do not? And, if indeed you or others, do not intend to follow the rule(s) set by the 10th ammendent to the Constitution, then I would have no problem if you would support a "Constitutional Convention" to be called and ratified by the majority of our States, and revoke it! That is, until it is revoked, I am pledged by my "vow" to defend it like I would the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc.! A pledge is, in my humble opinion, a sacred thing! And, when I took it, I meant it! Regarde', Sorry Red clay! I just cannot let a good "lead" go un-challegned! But, I promise to be kind! Regarde' vous! ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2010 at 10:07
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Sorry Simba I have not had the time to reply but I suggest reading this and no offense meant by it at all.
I have seen a number of liberals become more conservative after listening him on the radio or reading one of this books. I read material from both sides and even listen to Stephany Miller or use to, cannot find her station here in S. Arizona. I moved here from Washington State Are you American and living in the USA?  ------------- Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2010 at 12:18
Opuslola, you are contributing absolutely nothing to this thread, please stop.
Yes, I am American and I am currently in the United States. Savage is a brute. He is racist, homophobic, and a fascist. He has made calls for mass murder for example... He is not someone that I would ever use as an example of my political leanings or beliefs... And I'm not just saying this to attack him. He has said racist things about Muslims, for example, and even called for 100 million of them to be killed. Thats just one example. He is also defender of "English only" policies as well as "defending American" culture. These are both xenophobic, racist, and ignorant, as America has always been multi-lingual, as well as multi cultural. Infact, American culture is simply a mix of many different cultures. Sure, the guy, just like Limbaugh and Beck, plays on peoples fears and nationalism...thats why what he says resonates with some people, but in reality, they are over exaggerating many of the things they talk about. Savage's bias is evident, I know he hates liberalism and I'm pretty sure I know what he says in that book. |
Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2010 at 11:31
Simba you are entitled to your views and it is your 1st Amendment right to tear into Savage. But, I do not agree and for many, many Americans he is a true Patriot. He does not call for mass murder so stop taking him out of context. The progressives or what I call the neo commies takes everything he says out of context, which is easy to do. So, what you are saying is out of context and I have never learned to hate anyone from listening to him. 100 million Muslims to be killed -try showing the whole context and you will find once again the left and even some Republican neo cons have taken him out of context(groups like CAIR also). He was referring to the radicals who would destroy an American city. If they bomb an American city and kill thousands and we know the source then we have the right to retaliate. I hope this never happens. I listen to his show most everyday and you are so wrong. I do not support English only since I recognize the Native American languages but other than that people need to learn English to improve their chances to advance, that is what I teach. I don't agree with all he stands for but about 85%. We are a melting pot so when someone immigrates to the USA their goal shoud be to become American, no matter what race, religion or ethnic group they are. I encourage the immigrants I work with to teach their children their language and culture. But, we are one culture and one people- Americans!! Their culture contributes to the greater culture or melting pot. Once again whenever someone brings up the race card it makes me wonder if they are not a racist, I say this in general. Now the Muslims who live in America and work to overthrow our great Bill of Rights and Constitution and replace it with Sharia law then I consider them traitors. Same goes with the neo-cons and so-called progressives who want to erase to override of even erase it. I welcome Muslims here if they believe in pluralism and the foundations of our nation. If they are willing to accept gays, Jews and other groups as their equals. I am not a fan of homosexuality but I treat them with respect, I lived with gays in Walla Walla, WA. Funny, talk about homophobic!! Do you know that almost every Muslim I have met in person told me that gays should be killed. Not all of them but most said this and don't forget I spent time in Turkiye, which tended to be more open minded. Michael Savage does not care about what people do in the privacy of their homes but, like me, he is against the attack on marriage or forcing this choice on others. I have seen what the school districts allow in some states and I oppose it. You are free to believe what you want and I spent more time on this then I have. PS I am not a fan of Rush who is a Bush apologist in my opinion and Glen Beck I rarely listen to him. The Roth show, NPR, and coast to coast am are the usual shows for me. I am also a Robert Spencer fan and agree with him and I know some people also take him out of context, like CAIR. Must rush off so good day to you and best regards eaglecap Curious: are you native born American or an immigrant and from where? My grandparents on my mother's side were from Greece but my father’s side has been here since the creation of this great nation. I am very multi ethnic so I was exposed to both worlds. This include native American ancestry as well. added later: Speaking of tolerance - do you accept this? http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=28325 - http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=28325 ------------- Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2010 at 13:35
Eaglecap, before we continue discussing, I would like you to know that I am no bullshitter. I take politics seriously. Therefore, I do my research, I use facts, and I try to the best of my ability to make my posts simple and understandable. I try my hardest not to take things out of context, and if you want to debate with me, please use as many sources and specific points/examples as possible, please no general statements. I did not simply "tear into Savage" because I hate him, I simply stated the truth about some of his opinions, I'm sorry that you think that this is an attack on him, but he is the one who said them and he is in public view, so he can be criticized. Thank you.
Out of context? Really? Where here you go, here is a transcript:
Now what part of that is taken out of context? Source: http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200604190001 Here are some more direct quotes from Savage:
Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/01/04/oped_resp_stillwell.DTL#ixzz0e8KksXUP - http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/01/04/oped_resp_stillwell.DTL#ixzz0e8KksXUP
What constitutes "American"? What is you're definition? By the way, many parts of the United States are now majority Spanish speaking. In a few decades Hispanic's will form the largest ethnic group in the country (51%). So you're argument is flawed in that a) pretty soon you have a great chance for advancement if you speak either Spanish, English, or both and b) you definition of American would have to change because technically more American's will be of a culturally "different" background than what you think American culture is... So my point is, this is the reality, and you can't change it, so why fight it?
So do I, but who are these Muslims and how many of them are there?
Several issues I want to address regarding your above statements. a) The evangelical movement in this nation is vehemently anti-homosexual, on the same level if not more radical than other religious groups in the world. b) Do you know how many racist "White American" groups there are in this nation that do not accept gays, Jews, and other groups as equals? Lets kick them out huh? But wait, we cant because the Constitution guarantee's freedom of thought and expression, so you just contradicted yourself... c) who is forcing gay marriage on other? Thats a ridiculous statement! Gay marriage is not meant to force non-gays into marrying people of the same sex... d) what do schools teach that you have a problem with? I would like examples...
I am Iranian-American and have lived the overwhelming majority of my life in this nation. I am not Muslim. Both my parents are Iranian. I'm an English speaker, I can speak broken Persian but cannot read or write it. Culturally I am 100% American in that I identify more with the United States than Iran.
No I do not, but I also believe that if Evangelicals had power in this country the same things would happen here. Lets hope that the United States never becomes a theocracy. I already believe that there is too much religion in government here, we need to reverse this. Remember that the bible also says the same things that the quran does about homosexuality.
source: http://bible.org/article/homosexuality-christian-perspective Also, the article you linked to is for Front Page Magazine, a conservative organization. I have several issues with whats in the article and its full of biases and generalizations about liberalism...which I have no idea how they connected it to the murder of gays in the Theocratic undemocratic Islamic world. |
Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 01-Feb-2010 at 12:32
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Out of context? Really? Where here you go, here is a transcript:
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx You still do not have the whole transcript and it is still easy to take it out of context. He was speaking about the radical Muslims and if they nuked an American city. While I do not agree with all he says, he was not advocating killing 100 million Muslims but more of a reaction to what if…. If you only show a portion of what he says then it is easy to blow it out of proportion. Cult groups like the Mormons do the same thing with the Bible. They only show a tiny verse and not the whole context and twist it to their own doctrine. I am not religious but I believe there is a God and I am very liberal when it comes to religion, as long as the religion is peaceful. I don’t doubt you do research but we see things from different perspective. I am not trying to change your views but only expressing mine. In 2004, Savage stated "I think (Muslims) need to be forcibly converted to Christianity ... It's the only thing that can probably turn them into human beings." In 2006, he called for a ban on Muslim immigration and recommended making "the construction of mosques illegal in America." Also that year, he advocated "kill(ing) 100 million" Muslims. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Savage is not a Christian and is very universal about his beliefs. I of course do not agree with him here but I did not hear the show so I am not sure about the entire context of what he said From what I do see I condemn it but I would have to go online to pick up this old show. I don’t agree on an outright ban, I have many Muslim friends in Turkiye. We need to know who is coming into our country and their background must be checked. If they believe in replacing our constitution or Bill of Rights with Sharia law or support terrorism then they should not be allowed to immigrate here. The Russians are another example! I know many Russians and Ukrainians immigrated here as Christian refugees but some lied about this status and are involved in organized crime. They should have never been allowed to immigrate here and once they are arrested for any violent crime they should do their time and then be deported back to Russia. I gave this as an example to show I am not picking only on Muslims. What constitutes "American"? What is you're definition? xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I would suggest reading the politically Incorrect Guide to American History. I will fight to defend the constitution as it was written by our founding fathers. If you don’t understand this then try picking up some non-revision American history and learn. We have many Mexican in my area and I know a lot who feel the same way I do about our constitution. But, point taken and with unchecked illegal and legal immigration the political landscape will change. I support outright reduction of immigration for largely environmental reasons- see Frosty Woolridge and do some research. With unchecked immigration we are heading into an environmental nightmare. So do I, but who are these Muslims and how many of them are there? That is a good question and nobody knows or can one really presume this and condemn all Muslims for the few amongst them. Muslims can lie to the infidel and if you want I can give you examples out of the Qur’an and the Hadith. I don’t have the material with me but “The Truth about Muhammad is one source." xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx You cannot really tell who is who until they take action and call for Sharia law like the head of CAIR Hooper has, a Muslim convert. Until then I treat them with the same respect I do everyone and don’t assume the worse. We still need to Intelligence to prevent terrorist attacks like Fort Hood and we must act on this intelligence unlike Fort Hood. Several issues I want to address regarding your above statements. a) The evangelical movement in this nation is vehemently anti-homosexual, on the same level if not more radical than other religious groups in the world. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx That is their First amendment right as a religion and I frankly believe it is a perverse life and very unhealthy. Look at the stats about the average life expectancy of homosexuals. I really don’t care what adults do as long as they keep it to themselves and don’t spread disease, this goes for heterosexuals as well. Homosexuality is treated much worse in the Muslims world! Most Christians I know believe that they should love the sinner but hate the sin and I have never heard a genuine Christians talk about killing them. I am sure there are a few exception but that would be a tiny percentage of Christians. The Roman Catholics, Orthodox Christians, Mormons also oppose the act of homosexuality so why pick only on the Evangelicals. Part of my upbringing was Greek Orthodox, don’t forget I am half Greek. Homosexuality is a death sentence under strict Sharia law: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAW743OXC8o - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAW743OXC8o b) Do you know how many racist "White American" groups there are in this nation that do not accept gays, Jews, and other groups as equals? Lets kick them out huh? But wait, we cant because the Constitution guarantee's freedom of thought and expression, so you just contradicted yourself... xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx The evil white man! NO I did not contradict myself and you are taking my statement out of context. Hey I have a news flash for you my friend- whites are not only racist in this country. Don’t forget about hate groups like La Raza (the race) or black panthers. Whites are not the only racist so stop with the race card. It makes me wonder if you are a racist against Anglo whites, Anglo is really a general term. Do the vast majority of white Americans believe this? Are you accusing the majority of white people of being racist? Why do you dislike white people? – seems like this stereo typing is treating them unequally. By the way the women I am dating is half Mexican and half Native American so please stop with the race card. I have gone into Mexico, with a groups, to provide food clothing and building material. I have helped build a home for a Mexican family in Mazatlan so please don’t confuse me a white man with these evil white supremist groups. My mother was born in the USA but returned to Greece with her parents when she was still an infant. She returned to America at the age of eight and had to learn English and believe me the Greeks were discriminated against back then, I heard the stories. My philosphy is to treat all strangers with repect and hospiltality and this means all. c) who is forcing gay marriage on other? Thats a ridiculous statement! Gay marriage is not meant to force non-gays into marrying people of the same sex... xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I did not mean that and even gays would oppose this my friend! No but many school districts are,without parental consent, teaching it as an alternative lifestyle, no matter what the parents think. If you go online and search you will find these articles but that is up to you. d) what do schools teach that you have a problem with? I would like examples... xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Look on the internet but if an article comes up I will post it. It is a very unhealthy choice and should not be promoted. The only thing kids should be taught is that it is a reality and some of the dangers of being gay. I would agree that because it is a reality children should learn to respect them as humans and love them but no necessarily their actions. I oppose any violence towards gays or anyone but I have been around gays enough to know they can also be intolerant towards each other and some are outright racist. What is new in the human condition? I lived with gays for a year and a half and if someone had threatened them I would have fought for them. I remember at college that some gays were not tolerant towards bi-sexual and thought they were not truly gay. They wanted to exclude them from their meeting at the college. Most in the groups, I was told, did not support this though. This is only my opinion and in no way do I even care to change yours but this only goes in circles so I will not reply. I would rather talk about history but I will monitor this so everyone behaves, so far so good. It is good to have two extreme opinions because sometimes compromise will come out of it. Front page- that is your opinion- I do not agree! By the way I have known numerous Iranians and Iranian Americans and have enjoyed their friendships. Being Greek I am sure there is some genetic connection with Persians. With all respect we can agree to disagree- reply but from this point I am only monitoring this thread. If you want to join me in a thread about ancient Greek- Persian contact in history I would enjoy this. Any ideas? ------------- Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 01-Feb-2010 at 18:38
Its not out of context. He never said "kill 100 million radical muslims" he said "kill 100 million muslims". Thats advocating mass murder. If my statement is truly out of context, I'm sure you can find something on the internet which proves it, otherwise, you have to understand why I cant just take your word for it right? Please show me a more complete transcript or a rebuttal to the claim that Savage actually meant what these "out of context" quotes make it appear he did.
I am not religious either.
I never said that Savage was a Christian, I simply put up a quote which said he would prefer Muslims to be converted to Christianity. I'll make your search easier for you:
“The Michael Savage Show.” Savage Nation. 12 May 2003. Oh, and just for your information, savage thinks all Muslims are radical and they should all be killed:
Source: http://mediamatters.org/research/200406250006 This is that man that you support....
How do you know what people believe? Cant they easily lie? And what about the White American's in the USA who are trying to destroy this nations constitutions (Neo-Nazi's, KKK, etc...), do we kick them out of the country?
Yes, but how do you prove that someone is not a Christian? So, you catch them for a crime, but can you prove they arent Christians? Hell, most "Christians" in the United States do not do anything Christian like whatsoever...
That doesnt answer my question. I want to know what you think being American is, not what Thomas Woods thinks.
We are already heading towards an environmental nightmare, its called global warming.
I'm not a fan of Islam myself, but how are you going to distinguish the ones you keep and the ones you kick out? You posited the position that we should kick those who do not support the constitution out of the country, yet you have no method of doing it or choosing who goes and who stays... I suggest you figure out a plan of action before you make such a suggestion.
I know it is, but what I was trying to get across was that if the religious people in this country had power, they would do the same thing that the Muslims are doing in the countries where they have power. Thank God this country is not a theocracy, and like I said, we should keep religion completely out of politics. There is already too much religion involved in American politics these days and its worrying!
Why are you getting so defensive? I'm white too, I put white on all my applications because I have to, I get no special privileges or advantages. Affirmative action does not apply to me when I apply for jobs as I am considered white. My point is that according to you're idea of protecting the constitution by keeping out people who do not agree with it, we must also kick out American citizens who are against it, but that would contradict the constitution wouldnt it? See, YOU ARE INDEED contradicting yourself.
No, no school does this, this is just paranoia and its laughable! Teaching kids not to discriminate against gays is not forcing an "alternative lifestyle" on them.
But again, what dont you like about what they teach in schools? Please do not use general statements... I asked you to be specific and use sources, like I am, please respect this so we can have a fruitful discussion. Homosexuality IS NOT promoted in schools. Schools are places of tolerance where everyone should get a long and get educated. I dont know which schools you've been to, but homosexuality, nor heterosexuality, is every promoted... Hell, they even have children fill out permission slips to get sex education...
The only way this would go around in circles if you keep using general statements and outsourced claims. This is part of the reason why Opuslola got a warning in the first place. I asked earlier that if we were going to have a discussion, to use sources and specific statements rather than general ones.
eaglecap, please stop getting so defensive. I do not think you are a racist or anything... You do not need to say things like that but thanks anyways! ----------------------------------------- For the record, here is my initial post to you asking you to use sources for your claims and not use such general statements:
So far you have made many claims which you still have not backed up with any sources...if anyone is ruining this discussion it is you, and believe me, I do not want to go in circles. |
Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 02-Feb-2010 at 11:08
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This only goes in circles and if you really want to know search yourself. If I come across an article I will post it. I have worked for two school districts so I see what goes on. The thing is even if I post an article you will discount it as conservative. My sister is a liberal and just like you, we avoid politics.
If I can find the time I will try and find the sources where I got my information from but I really don't want to take the time to back track and locate them. I also take it serious and what I have written was based on multiple sources I have read in the past. I am not religious but one source about the school district comes from the American Family Association. The only thing I can say about immigrants is when in Rome do as the Romans do. Part of the problem is with work I have other priorities and I can only do so much without overloading so it is not that I don't but time is limited. For now we can agree to disagree- we only go in circles. I want to move to a historical topic ------------- Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 02-Feb-2010 at 13:44
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With all do respect, you CHOSE to get involved in a political discussion knowing full well this was not a historical one. And you are telling me to do the research for the claims that you are making? Thats not how debate works...unless you provide sources nothing you say has any meaning whatsoever. I dont have to do any research for the claims that you make, you have to provide the research to support your claims. And regarding my criticism of your sources being "conservative", all I can say is find some neutral research then... I'm not going in circles because I refuse to continue this discussion until you provide sources for your claims. And no, I will not agree to disagree because thats a cop out. |
Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2010 at 14:14
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Maybe you have lots of free time to sit around and do this but I don't so it is no cop out!!
I want to discontinue this due to several projects I am working on but I wanted to at least honor your request Simba. Here are some links that demonstrate how students are exposed to this sexual choice regardless of how they believe. The parents and legal guardians have every legal right to opt out if they so choose. If you are anything like my dear liberal sister then I am sure you will discount any conservative source as bias, maybe I am wrong!! for some reason it won't allow me to link it so maybe later http://www.newswithviews.com/public_schools/public_schools1.htm http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=20157 http://www.tldm.org/News9/homosexualityStudentsSueCollege.htm So now you say what is so wrong with it- read. I found this in minutes so if you are opened minded then I suggest you look more. In my opinion liberals and religious people are the most closed minded people. http://www.ccv.org/downloads/pdf/Legal_Liability_of_Homosexuality_Education.pdf when I get time I will reread all the posts on here and try and answer you in more deatail. Now darn did you say your roots are from Iran or Bosnia? I will have to recheck, so many locations on allempires. People here ------------- Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2010 at 14:36
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My dear Great Simba!
Against all constraints placed against me, by Redclay, etal, I just have to show you this! http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/amid-american-malaise-canada-envy-returns/19343111 Maybe it confirms both of our views? My great regards to you! But, of course I know that you may not regard it highly? ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2010 at 15:38
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Just out, if N. Carolian teachers have their way, High School students will be taught American History beginning with Rutherford B. Hayes and the year 1877!
What happens to those who went before? I.e. Washington, Adams (two), Jefferson, Madison, Lincoln, etc.? Ah! Modern "progressive education" at its best! Last reported on Fox News Channel, at 1735 hours! Regards, ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2010 at 15:38
I have gone to part of your posts to get an idea why you were warned but I had to resume work so I will finihs tomorrow. I am a bit confused but I don't think Red Clay did it to be mean, he has always been fair. Far as I am concerned this recent post is fine but I wonder why it won't take links??? anoher link for you TGS http://www.hslda.org/parentalrights/default.asp - http://www.hslda.org/parentalrights/default.asp great now it is working Simba have you ever iistened to the speech given by Winston Churchill about socialism titled: Present Dangers Of The Socialist Movement I tried to find the video of the actual speech but could not. ------------- Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2010 at 15:49
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Well, "eaglecap" I guess I shan't provide the quotes available from Savage on his radio show today?
As to any restrictions that "Redclay" has added, I have no idea! I do not think he would do so? Regards to all, ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2010 at 16:06
I see no problem but it is useless since he does not like Savage at all and would probably totally disregard him. Even though I do not like TGS politics I suggest not making any personal attacks on anyone to avoid further trouble also, only advice. I don't want to see you suspended or banned since we agree on this topic. I do not know TGS in real life and even though we don't agree he might be a great person in real life. I have liberal friends and we focus on other things; camping, outdoors, hunting, photography etc Many of the teachers I work with are libs and other than their politics they are good people, meaning I don't agree with them.
I am not sure about any restrictions with Red Clay- he has never restricted me but Friday I will complete reading the rest of your threads and others also like TGS posts. ------------- Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε |
Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 04-Feb-2010 at 13:28
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Hello the Great Simba- I will have time tomorrow to research a few sites I found to support my premise. I hope to show case law against some school districts. I have too much going on today to read over the articles I will choose.
One is: http://www.judicialwatch.org/casearchives - http://www.judicialwatch.org/casearchives ------------- Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε |
Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2010 at 10:14
I wonder what happened to The great simba? I had hope to start looking at some links for him but he is not here. Nice guy- lES_bih friends afterall and get along on this thread.  ------------- Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2010 at 12:49
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Oh eaglecap, dont worry, I'll have a post for you soon.
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Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2010 at 13:01
I will be gone a few days but I look forward to this. I am waiting for a response from Thomas Moore Law Center to post some cases to defend my posts. ------------- Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2010 at 13:22
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I will go through these articles and SHOW YOU how these sources are OVER EXAGERATING and even FEAR MONGERING about a problem that IS NOT THAT BIG AN ISSUE.
Lets start with this one:
http://www.newswithviews.com/public_schools/public_schools1.htm - Title: Homosexual Agenda Escalates in Public Schools (Scary!!!!)
First of, this article deals mostly with issues regarding high schools. We are talking about kids aged 14 and up, they can handle themselves.
Whoever wrote this article is anti-homosexual, as in not just what it represents, but homosexuals in general. He is essentially against equal rights and equal treatment for homosexuals. He is, an essence, a homophobe. I quote:
Now on to the article titled: School Sued Over Homosexual Tolerance Training
http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=20157 - - http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=20157
First of all, if the title alone in combination with the website shows the deep hatred against homosexuality that even “tolerating” them is unacceptable...
First of all, KEEP RELIGION OUT OF OUR GOVERNMENT AND OUT OF OUR SCHOOLS!
Second of all, the proponents of this suit argue that its a students right to harrass and be prejudiced against homosexuals in school and to confront them in school. This is wrong and unacceptable in a school argument. Their lawsuit is without merit and absolutely disgusting.
I also find it funny how they call the fight for human equality a “homosexual agenda”. Homosexuals are humans too, they deserve to be treated equally and have all the same rights as anyone else.
Regarding the article about the students suing Georgia Institute of Technology, that is a freedom of expression issue, not a “they're spreading homosexuality” issue. I'm sure the university would have barred students who were anti-black or anti-Islam as well, as those would also have been freedom of expression issues.
Eaglecap, several issues are really disturbing me at the moment. Your homophobia (possible homophobia?) and support of those who are against the homosexual civil rights movement. Why can you not provide any legitimate reliable neutral news organizations that support such fears?
By the way, stop worrying about the straight kids in our schools. Homosexuals probably do not form more than 5% at any public school in America. Its the homosexuals who are constantly getting harassed and attacked.
“gay”, “fag”, “faggot”, etc... are all commonly used on a daily basis. I even say them from time to time (its not something I'm proud of). This is a result of our culture. You know, 50 years ago they were saying "nigger"now they're saying "faggot", and you oppose Gay people fighting for their right to be treated like human beings and to be accepted? Why would anyone choose to be homosexual in a society that persecutes them and insults them? THEY ARE BORN THIS WAY, ITS NOT A CHOICE, use common sense... |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2010 at 13:30
In what way does it support your view? The article says that Canada has less unemployment, tighter regulation on banking (which helped them avoid economic problems), and a universal health care that is cheaper and provides a better quality of life... Canada is far more progressive and liberal than the US Opuslola, just stop, you're trolling again.
Oh my?!!! Fox "News" said it, it must be true... When was the last time Fox "News" was actually considered a news network? |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2010 at 14:16
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Uh! Cough! I actually thought you might have actually read the article, where it states that a "Canadian" leader is having his medical proceedure done here in the good old USA, since there is quite a line up there in "perfect" healthcare heaven, which you believe is Canada!
Sorry you missed that part of the article! Since you have not preferred to answer in the hours this has been exposed to the world, I shall place in quotation marks, the part that I thought might well apply to my view! Thus; "And even while many U.S. liberals lament the missed chance to introduce a single-payer health insurance plan of the sort that keeps Canadian health expenditures lower and life expectancy higher, events in Canada this week have spotlighted that system's drawbacks. The premier of Newfoundland, Danny Williams, is heading to the U.S. this week for heart surgery he can't get under his province's health plan (although The Toronto Sun has reported that Williams, a public health care critic, could have had the procedure done elsewhere in the country)." Do you remember when I said that "world leaders" come to the USA for medical work? As OPUS, might well have said in "Bloom County" Pbfleeef! Or something close? (I think that meant tounge out and bleating, etc.) ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2010 at 13:59
Sorry you missed the part of the article that said he could have gotten the treatment somewhere else in Canada if he wanted to. Also, you obviously also missed the part that says that Williams is a CRITIC of public health care, which explains why he would choose to come to the United States, which is his right in the Democratic country of Canada:
Here are some other things that you might have missed... The title of the article:
Here is a suggestion opulola, next time you try to prove your point, its best not to use sources which contradict your position. This is a pro-canadian system article buddy. Check mate buddy, this is over. |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2010 at 14:29
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It's "not over untill the fat lady sings!" is an old USA football slogan!
"I've not yet begun to fight!" "Wait until you see the whites of their eyes!" And other slogans ad infinitum! But, for now, you really do not interest me anymore! But, it has been "real", and it has been "fun", but it is, as of now, not been "Real Fun!" chuckle! My regards, ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2010 at 15:27
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Once again Opuslola, you have successfully avoided responding to a post which clearly compromises your position. Stop trolling, you have already been warned once. You're comments, such as the above, are not productive and do not add to this discussion. Stop with the nonsense. Oh, and here is something else for you to think about: During O'Reilly interview with Jon Stewart (not the edited one shown on his program, but the full un-edited version), O'Reilly claims he is in touch with "regular folks" and lives in a "regular ol' house". Here is his $3 MILLION dollar "regular ol' house": http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/bill-oreillys-house/ Here is Glenn Beck's $4.25 MILLION dollar house: http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/glenn-becks-house/ Rush Limbaugh's multiple MULTI MILLION dollar homes: http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/rush-limbaughs-houses/ http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/rush-limbaughs-house/ Hm...interesting huh? These sure are regular folks trying to help out regular American's... Here is a section from a recent BBC News article titled "Why do people vote against their own interests?"
It really is a shame how much influence people like Beck, O'Reilly, and Limbaugh have over people...particularly those who are conservative and ignorant about the reality of what is going on. |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2010 at 17:50
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Since you place such weight in the price of one's home, then you should see my home, which I would suggest might well be considered as a "multi-million dollar home?
And then TGS, you wrote; "Stop trolling, you have already been warned once. You're comments, such as the above, are not productive and do not add to this discussion. Stop with the nonsense." Hey, young guy! Are you a moderator?, or site regulator? Just what gives you, as a very young and "virginal poster", the "balls" to call any of us out? The word "nonsense" seems mostly to apply to any and all legislation proposed by our current "Progressive" administration? Let's see now, the national debt is now somewhere above 13 thousand billion dollars! And, inevtibally due to become some where in the area of 20 thousand billion dollars! And even more!!! I am very glad that I have no children who might well be expected to pay such a debt to China, etc.! So, if you like it, then please start to donate to your own children your fair share! I would suppose 85% if your pay might well do? But, then just what would you live on? chuckle! (of course I assume that you actually earn enough money to actually not partake of the "earned income tax credit?") But since the "nanny" state already exists, then maybe your "nanny" should also contribute her or his 85%? Would not that all be fair? Your Nanny! With all due regards! By the way, my wife and I pay over $15,000 per year in just "income tax!" Did we pay your salary? Whose salary did you pay? ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2010 at 13:38
Oh ok, so you are also one of those rich conservatives who want to deny healthcare to the average American who cannot afford it or struggles to pay for it... Why do you want to deny others the right to health just because you can afford it? Hell, why deny a universal health care plan that ALLOWS private hospitals to continue to do business for those who do not want to use public ones?
Because you are trolling, read the rules. You even followed me to another thread to attack me:
Thread: http://allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28130&PID=629254#629254 a completely unnecessary and off topic post.
you keep saying that yet you have nothing to back up your claim...
It was $1.3 trillion when BUSH was in office, so why are you blaming Obama? 
Well, we can thank the GOP for that...
We are trying to fix the problems this country is facing, but certain people keep trying to stop us and keep insisting that the status quo is fine... I wonder who these people are?  |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2010 at 19:23
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Above TGS wrote concerning the National Debt;
"It was $1.3 trillion when BUSH was in office, so why are you blaming Obama?" Hey, that Obama is even better than a Wall Street investor, he was able to turn a $1.3 trillion debt, into a 13.0 trillion debt in just one year! Hip Hip Hooray! If you had New Math, this means that Obama and the Democrats took the terrible Republican and Bush debt and multiplied it by a factor of ten! 10x! Yes, it seems it was all the fault of Bush! I totally agree! Regards, ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2010 at 20:34
Opuslola, stop talking about things you know nothing about. Atleast ATTEMPT to do some research, try to put some effort into your statements... The deficit when Bush was president was $1.3 trillion, its now $1.6 trillion dollars under Obama, but the increase is due to the bad economy which the BUSH ADMINISTRATION left behind. The national debt under the Bush administration, in December 2008, was almost $11 trillion. The national debt increased from $5.6 trillion in January 2001 to $10.7 trillion in December 2008. Bush DOUBLED our national debt. Right now, the debt is close to $13 trillion, BUT TO SAY THAT ITS OBAMA'S FAULT IS ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS BECAUSE HES ONLY BEEN PRESIDENT FOR ONE YEAR! Because the American system as a whole is broken, Obama has to spend money to fix it, which causes more debt. Its a perpetual cycle that can only be stopped if we fix this broken system. Bush was in power for 8 years and did absolutely nothing good for this country, he was the straw that broke the camels back, and now when an intelligent man finally comes into office and tries to fix things, he suddenly becomes a Muslim Communist Indonesian Terrorist who "hates white people". Despicable and absolutely disgusting. |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2010 at 17:55
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Hey TGS, I already said in the post above that "Yes, it seems it was all the fault of Bush!" Just how much more support should I give your posts than that?
All wrongs were done by one Bush or another Bush, therefor, we must "burn the Bush!" Chuckle! And a wink! TGS also wrote these words; "Because the American system as a whole is broken, Obama has to spend money to fix it, which causes more debt. Its a perpetual cycle that can only be stopped if we fix this broken system." By "fixing a broken system", I suppose you mean that America must change to "Socialism?" Take care of yourself TGS! Regards, ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2010 at 12:47
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One Question- are you a communist? I want to know!
You are entitled to your opinion and frankly just as I said anything that does not agree with your views you name call. I agree in the seperation of church and state but commie groups like the ACLU have gone too far. Homophobic - Funny how liberals call everyone names if you don't agree with them - such as Islamophobic. Sounds to me like you might be very Christophobic! Do I hate gays- NO!! Do I dislike their lifestyle - depends Do I fear them- NO! I will try and tackle this step by step but what is the use you if ingnore the facts. I have to rush now but I am not out to change your mind nor mind than are you trying to change my mind- this will just keep going in circles. I will look at it later though and do a bit of research. Here is another group you might label True patriotic Americans http://www.stoptheaclu.com/ - http://www.stoptheaclu.com/ ------------- Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2010 at 15:11
Atleast we agree on one thing, keep the Bush family out of politics. Hopefully W was the last one.
I dunno, what do you think, you're the one that posted the article about Canada envy.
Communist as in Soviet Union or China or Cuba? No.
Who have I name called?
ACLU is a commie group? Its a group dedicated to preserving the rights of American citizens as described in the Constitution, no matter what! The ACLU has fought for the rights and protected some of the most anti-communist people in the United States, the Neo-Nazi's!The ACLU is one of the few organizations keeping this government in check and making sure that peoples rights, no matter what they may be, are protected. Did Savage tell you that the ACLU is a commie organization?
Lets see, you speak of a gay agenda which is trying to destroy this nation, you defend those who are trying to undermine the rights of gays, and you are against teaching our future generations to be tolerant and accepting of homosexuals... Yes, sounds pretty homophobic. Did you even read the articles you posted? Look at my analysis of them, I quoted the obvious anti-homosexual parts of those articles. If that is what you use as sources and that is what you believe, thats only conclusion I can come to.
Lets see, I am ignoring the facts? What "facts" did you post? I have yet to see a single fact. And please, if you want to bring up facts, use NEUTRAL RELIABLE THIRD PARTY SOURCES. No more Savage or Baptist News or whatever...
I clicked on that link and this is the first article on their site: http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2010/02/09/publius-podcast-anti-gun-government-tyranny-in-canada/ - Publius Podcast: Anti-Gun Government Tyranny in Canada |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2010 at 16:26
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You see TGS, tyranny comes part and parcel with most British and ex-Brit colonies! Gun confiscation and registration are common both in GB, Australia, India and Canada, etc.!
That is the very reason our founders found it necessary to protect the weapons in the hands of the people! We actually call it a declaration of rights, not to be abused by the National Government, since our founders did not in most ways actually trust Big Government at all! It seems that the British had taught them a good lesson! "The right of a free people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed!", or words to that effect! I would suppose you would quietly ignore this, or maybe you would rather call a Constitutional Convention and over turn it? If you go the "convention" method, you had better be willing to "vote early and often!" 
But, I'd bet that the tenth Amendment would probably bother you more? 
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/equalrights/p/10th_amendment.htm But, it seems that good "progressives" have already ignored it for over 100 years anyway, just like it seems, they would be happy if they could write a new constitution! 
Boy, those little faces are fun! Regards, ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 22-Feb-2010 at 16:55
where are all the people of color at the Tea Party protests? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMdPTpOyUk4&feature=player_embedded#at=81 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMdPTpOyUk4&feature=player_embedded#at=81 ------------- Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 22-Feb-2010 at 21:46
way to go buddy, way to pick your token ethnic minorities and show them off. All I know is what I see at the mass rallies, and I've never seen a person of color...l it sure has taken the Tea Partiers a hell of a long time to make this video responding to this issue... The tea party movement is overwhelming composed of White American's, more than half of whom do not have a college education, and more than half of whom are not Urban. |
Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 24-Feb-2010 at 15:45
I wonder who pays most of the taxes? The Tea party is open to all races, genders and gays as well but since they don't represent your views you hate them. It is still their First Amendment right to protest unless you don't believe in our freedoms. Have you read the U.S. Constitution? It really surprises me when a son of an immigrant, who fled tyranny, is so anti American. I can understand you distaste for the Republican neo cons- I dislike them as well. I am an independent!! I am glad you are not a Maoist or Stalinist and I do realize communism comes in different forms. I would support Communism if people were not so corrupt and power hungry. By theory it sounds good but history shows it does not work. Capitalism is also failing us due to corruption. The bottom line is we will never agree and we have different visions for our country. I get the impression that you really do not respect our Constitution or Bill of rights. I am afraid in a conflict we would be on the opposite sides of gun barrels, hopefully not. My wonderful liberal sister is a lot like you so we avoid politics. who have I name called? Me but it is not untypical for liberal – no offense but Calling people homophobic might border on a breach of A&E rules, if you continue such tactics. I will check with Red Clay. ACLU is a commie group? It’s a group dedicated to preserving the rights of American citizens as described in the Constitution, no matter what! The ACLU has fought for the rights and protected some of the most anti-communist people in the United States, the Neo-Nazi's! The ACLU is one of the few organizations keeping this government in check and making sure that people’s rights, no matter what they may be, are protected. Did Savage tell you that the ACLU is a commie organization? no I learned it from a college class and other sources but I have heard him speak about this. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I am sorry you are wrong and it all depends on your opinion and viewpoint about whatfreedom is. You talk about gay rights but some sickos believe they have a right to molest children. Where do we draw the line on people's rights? Anything that hurts another human is wrong in my opinion- AID and a multiple of other diseases are spread more by homosexuals in the USA. You cannot even donate blood if you are a practicing homosexual. What about the rights of people they infect? I also condemn heterosexuals who spread this disease when they know they have it. Look what the definition of phobic and maybe my fear is not unreasonable when they have multiple partners with no protection, this does not apply to all gays. ACLU: I agree they have done some good to protect our Civil Liberties but they have done more harm than good. I would suggest reading up on your history about the ACLU and their communist roots. They are closet communist in my opinions ACLU Fights To Keep Communist Propaganda In School Library http://www.adamsweb.us/blog/aclu_fights_to_keep_communist_propaganda/ The true GOAL OF THE ACLU TO DESTROY AMERICA Communist Roots of the ACLU http://www.nodnc.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=170 www.stoptheaclu.com Let’s see, you speak of a gay agenda which is trying to destroy this nation, you defend those who are trying to undermine the rights of gays, and you are against teaching our future generations to be tolerant and accepting of homosexuals... xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I don't believe they are destroying our country and that is where I verge aways from Christians but I believe it is a very unhealthy choice and I don't support gay marriage and I have known gays who are also against gay marriage. Are they homophobic? Remember, I use to live with several gays while I was in college. They can get a civil arrangement and have the same right but this whole idea of gay marriage is an attempt to force this perversion as being normal- it is not. Why can't they leave people of faith alone. I wonder, like in Canada, when will it be illegal to criticize homosexuals, in total violation of free speech. I once posted an article about that here a few years ago so look it up. Everything is open for criticism and this includes Christians or any religious/ politcal group. We will never agree here and while I don’t care what people do in the privacy of their homes it is still perverse and unhealthy. For Christians, Muslims, and jews it is their religious freedom under our First Amendment to not agree with it, but I gather you really don’t believe in the U.S. Constitution. I may not agree with their religious views it is still their right and yes gays have the right to practice this in private as long as they are not spreading disease- AIDS etc Homosexuality is here and will always be here and because of this I will tolerant their right to one's privacy. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx you even read the articles you posted? Look at my analysis of them, I quoted the obvious anti-homosexual parts of those articles. If that is what you use as sources and that is what you believe, thats only conclusion I can come to. I have read some of them but I wil not reply till I have read them all to be fair to you. Anyone who does not agree with you on this is homophobic and I think you are Christophobic. Any conservative source is null and void to most liberals such as yourself, my sister is the same way. Any criticism of homosexuality if homophobic to you and others like yourself. Remember it is my 1st Amendment right to do so! It works both ways! The very life expectancy of gays is less than heterosexuals Gay life expectancy revisited Robert S Hogg, Steffanie A Strathdee, Kevin JP Craib, Michael V O'shaughnessy, Julio Montaner and Martin T Schechter I would consider this more of a neutral pary http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/30/6/1499 Gun issue is another issue but you are welcome to your views. Hitler also did not believe private gun rights either. We can start another thread on gun rights if you want but not here. I have found out not all liberals are anti gun and some, I know, who are liberal in many aspects but yet they support the 2nd Amendment. To me this is hardly the biggest issue today and a bit of a distraction for me. I respect your opinion but we will never agree but I will read the rest of those links to put on when I can. my concerns: the threat by Globalism, radical Islam and its spread, the enviroment, the industrial military complex and its threats to our freedoms. ------------- Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 24-Feb-2010 at 18:22
Did I say they can't protest? Hell, I hope they put a candidate up for all the elections! That would guarantee that the Democrats win.
History has never shown us that Marx's vision of communism does not work. Neither Lenin, nor Mao, or any of these other "communists" actual put into practice what Marx said. Marx says that a society can only become communist if it is developed, industrialized, capitalist, and its people themselves reach a point where they themselves put human equality and well being over material possessions. The capitalist system will eventually collapse and people will then transform the capitalist system into one that benefits all.
against the constitution and bill of rights? The ones who attack the other sides loyalties and patriotism are the ones that threaten democracies with turmoil and dictatorship.
And I will show Red Clay the articles you showed me and the ones that you support. Is posting blatant homophobic material against A&E policies as well? Claiming that there is a homosexual conspiracy to destroy this nation.... thats not homophobic? Hell, well if that isnt homophobic, than claiming that Jews have a hidden agenda to take over the world isnt anti-semetic... (get it?)
Once again, thanks for the ample amount of sources you provide to back up your claims! Seriously, you really think ACLU is a commie group? tell me one communist thing they've done. tell me what makes them communist.
Did you seriously compare consensual sex amongst two people of the same sex to child molestation? Seriously, and you're not homophobic?
So, we should keep homosexual's from having sex? You do know that 24% of those infected with Aids are heterosexuals, and 22% of those infected with Aids are drug addicts.... Rates of HIV/AIDS infections and deaths are ON THE DECLINE AND HAVE BEEN ON THE DECLINE SINCE THE MID 90'S. so lets stop heterosexuals from having sex too. Plus, knowingly infecting someone with AIDS IS A CRIME AND ITS RIGHT UP THEIR WITH MURDER. So there are laws out their protecting peoples rights. Also, does AIDS spread in Africa because of homosexuality or heterosexuality? sorry, your case does not hold water.
so you're not only homophobic, but heterophobic too? You have a double standard my friend.
you obviously do not understand what the purpose of the ACLU is. Its main purpose is to preserve the rights of everyone, wether they are white or black, communist or Nazi...they are garunteeing peoples rights to publish and to speak whatever they want, YOU SHOULD BE THANKING THE ACLU. For such a huge defender of citizens rights, the constitution and the bill of rights, its weird you go around calling everyone and everything communist and wanting to rid America of those things. |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 24-Feb-2010 at 19:19
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Dear redclay! I hope you noticed that TGS ignored my post? Just why does he attack eaglecap with a heart?
You see, I cannot even respond since you have me on a "short leash! You, redclay, must have a side in the above, but I dare to say that you would rather agree with TGS than eaglecap? But, of course, until I see some posts of you at this site, then I must well be a neutral participant! ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 25-Feb-2010 at 11:08
He seems to only want to put in the last word but I will respect him and finish reading the links he gave me and then respond. There are more important issues such as that bill being pushed by phony conservative McCain called The Dietary Supplement Safety Act (DSSA). I have a bit of time to post it but I am at work. ------------- Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 25-Feb-2010 at 16:02
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Yeah! The Republicans like to shoot themselves in the foot! Just look at the last few "losers" that they made candidates?
An old man from Kansas who could only speak about himself in the third person! An old man from Arizona, who is a man who gave all he had up to his torturers in Viet Nam, and one who remains "wounded" for ever! Conservative? Neither of them could so be determined! The were both "damaged goods" when offered to the American public! They were more "pathetic" than any thing else! But, in an effort to stave off "evil" I voted for both of them! And, today, I consider that I did my best to stop this increasing Socialism of America! But, on this site, like so many others, Socialism is a "royal" word! It wears the "purple!" Of course I also call it "Progressivism!" And numerous of their "purple blood" consider themselves and their friends as "Progressives!" I, on the other hand, consider "progressive" thought to be "Regressive!", which is the only good alternative I can think of! Regards, ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2010 at 12:30
Lets see, you called homosexuality an "unhealthy choice" and a "perversion".... yea, you're not homophobic at all.
What?! Its homosexual's who are harrassing religious people? Everywhere I look its the other way around. Religion should stay out of politics, and not force itself on those who do not want to believe it! People of faith can do whatever they want, and they should allow others to be able to do what they want. This is not the 12th century anymore, sorry religion, we live in a SECULAR society.
and homosexuals, you are free to criticize them and insult them, no one says you cant, and you have done so many many times in this thread without anyone stopping you. But by making a criticism, you yourself are open to criticism. You're hypocrisy is so amusing, also not to mention that you are continuously contradicting yourself.
Do you not see how you just contradicted yourself?! You say that Christians, Muslims, and Jews have the religious freedom to not agree with homosexuality...I AGREE, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO LIKE IT, OR PRACTICE IT THEMSELVES. Just as homosexuals have the right to be gay. Then you go and say that homosexuals have the right to practice homosexuality BUT ONLY IF THEY DO IT IN THE PRIVACY OF THEIR OWN HOMES? Wait, so religious people can be free to practice their beliefs and lifestyle choices in public, but homosexuals cant? Wait, who doesnt believe in the constitution, me or you?
Oh, so you didnt even read the articles that you posted as "evidence"...typically, please do not waste everyones time like this.
No, anyone who calls homosexuality a "perversion", "unhealthy", and that homosexuals should not be allowed to practice their beliefs in public is a homophobic....wait i think you said all of those things.
Show me one post in this thread where I said anything against Christians, the Christian religion, or Christians rights to practice their beliefs...SHOW ME A SINGLE POST. You cant. Nice try though.
Because its a CONSERVATIVE source, do you not understand what a reliable neutral source is? What if I used liberal propaganda as a source? WHEN YOU USE SOURCES IN A DEBATE, THEY HAVE TO BE RELIABLE AND NEUTRAL.
It is your first amendment right to criticize anything you want, just as its your first amendment right to be racist, homophobic, xenophobic, etc... whatever... but when you call homosexuality a perversion or unhealthy (you can, you have every right to say this) then others have the right, under that SAME amendment, to call you out for being homophobic, which is also your right. NO ONE IS SAYING YOU CANT SAY THESE THINGS...get over yourself, the only one here preaching against citizens rights here is you.
YOU DID NOT EVEN READ THE SOURCE YOU POSTED HERE IS WHAT IT SAYS:
So, as you see, their original research was done in the 1980'S AND EARLY 1990'S, at the height of the AIDs epidemic. The article goes on to say:
EAGLECAP, YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF! YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE ON THE SUBJECT, YET YOU INSIST YOU ARE RIGHT, THE SOURCE YOU POST CONTRADICT YOUR POINT OF VIEW BECAUSE YOU DO NOT EVEN READ THEM BEFORE POSTING THEM.
Way to compare gun rights to Nazi Germany when there are so many other examples of free states which do not allow the possession of private fire arms. Bravo, typical conservative fear mongering. You guys tend to do this kinda stuff most when YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT.
Really? I believe I gave Opuslola the last word for two weeks. ------------------------------------------------------------------- If you and opuslola are any indication of the intellect and understanding of today's conservatives, I am truly scared for this country. You guys do not even know what you're talking about, have no sources to back up your claims, and when you do post sources, YOUR SOURCES CONTRADICT WHAT YOU SAY. This is absolutely ridiculous, do you guys not see this? When you re-read your post do you not think, "wow, maybe TGS is right, I dunno why i posted that sources before i even read it, hm, this actually contradicts my argument, maybe i should change my beliefs to match the facts"? Progressive's are called progressives for a reason opuslola. If you claim to admire history, then you should know that progressives have always won out, this is why we have reached the level of civilization today. As a matter of fact, some of the most repressive governments today are conservative ones, not progressive ones! Rationality knowledge always prevails over ignorance. The founding fathers were progressives themselves, you should know this. __________________________________________ also, here is the definition of homophobia:
You have exhibited all three, and if you like, I can find those posts in which you showed this. |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2010 at 19:58
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TGS, said;
"The founding fathers were progressives themselves, you should know this." TGS, the above words are amongst the biggest bunch of BS words to ever hit the inter-net! Please name another "progressive" that existed within England within this time period? Do you doubt't that they existed only in the "colonies?" Do you doubt that the leaders of the colonists had no support within their families back in England? Please give all of us some of your sources? And, if you can, make sure that the sources are "neutral" as you are famous for promoting "neutral" sources, which clearly become, upon any close scruntinty, as "biased" and "Left Wing", or Socialist, or Marxist, with some scruntinity! ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 28-Feb-2010 at 16:24
Although I am convinced that opuslola is merely a troll who contributes nothing of value to this thread, I will reply to him because this statement, like almost all of his other ones, is absolutely ridiculous.
So creating a democratic constitution, getting rid of monarchy, instituting federalism, etc... these are not progressive idea's in a time where dictators and monarchs ruled the world? Keep living in your fantasy world.
which sources, feel free to discredit my sources, go head, show me which sources are biased. YOU CANT, because i've only been using government statistics or direct quotes. Opuslola, if you having nothing to contribute, dont just post for the sake of posting, good day. |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 28-Feb-2010 at 19:30
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TGS, you might well have taken the time to read a former post of mine, where I wrote;
"Originally posted by opuslola My dear Great Simba! Against all constraints placed against me, by Redclay, etal, I just have to show you this! http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/amid-american-malaise-canada-envy-returns/19343111 Maybe it confirms both of our views? My great regards to you! But, of course I am merely kidding!" It is quite obvious that I knew the political vent of the source! You might well have even noticed my words, I.e.; "Maybe it confirms both of our views?" Cough! And, there were other cases where I happend to check your sources! I think I even mentioned one or two somewhere? And, I also think that I proved that you have never posted any sources that could be considered as neutral on whatever subject you wished to discuss or promote! I am also somewhat concerned with your anal use of the term "trolling" to describe any response made by me to your attacks both upon me and my beliefs! I feel that you might well try to look in a mirror and see if a "troll" is not there? Laugh! Also, you still tend to think the word "progressive" is a term reserved for people who look upon the world as do you! As I have stated oft, "regressive" could also express a lot of the movements which some people have attached the word "progressive!" Just by using the word "progressive" to insinsuate that it always means "making things better", when you are the supporter of said "thing" does not either make it so, nor does it make it in any way really "progressive!" I don't need any sources to confirm the above, it is called merely "common sense!" Regards, as always! But, it is really all in fun, is it not? Regards, ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 28-Feb-2010 at 19:49
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And, in a friendly aside, I would like each of you on this site, who are legal citizens of the USA, to see this little video? I can assure you as does TGS, that the viewpoint of this source is "neutral", and has no "axe to grind!" Chuckle!
I am sure the "Census" is politically "neutral", are you? So, here goes! http://webmail.aol.com/30746-111/aol-1/en-us/suite.aspx So, TGS, can you answer the above questions? Will you willingly allow the census taker who comes to your door, to expect you to willingly answer the questions? Is there any reason our government really needs to know such information? Go on, TGS, let us know, in a "neutral" position, just how you feel? You must feel that it is only a real "Progressive" that needs to know such information? Don't you? chuckle! You know this is all done in "good fun?", don't you? Laugh! As always, my best regards, ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 04-Apr-2010 at 13:13
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This is how Rush Limbaugh lives (he put his $13.95 million fifth avenue NYC apartment up for sale, PICS INCLUDED): http://gawker.com/5482793/rush-limbaughs-gaudy-fifth-avenue-penthouse-is-now-for-sale/gallery/ Yea, he sure is a man of the people, sure is fighting for the little guy, the average American. Oh, that Rush Limbaugh, thank god some one stands up to those liberal elitists! (sarcasm) |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 04-Apr-2010 at 13:51
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Yes he is very similar to the man of the people known as F.D. Rooseveldt! Yes the very same man who was born with a golden spoon in his mouth, who gave it all for the "little guy!" I am sure you will agree?
Why do you hate people who made it from average or above average to rich without a college education? Rush put in years and years where he made little or nothing, but he learned a "trade!", that has become a "profession!", I would think that you could be proud of a man who came to riches due to his own imagination and perserverance! It is one of tens of thousands of American stories of the same ilk! Little guy becomes a "big shot!", etc.! Much the same could be said about Glenn Beck, and hundreds of other conservatives! I say Bravo! And, Rush, like Glenn wishes the best to everyone, period! I also hope to become rich when I grow up! I know Glenn and Rush would want me to! But, some people want to drag people like Rush and Glenn down to a much lower level! How about you? In fact, I wish it (riches) was a true destination for everyone! How about you? But, in fact, I am sometimes bothered by people who have shown a problem with making more money, since they then have to "actually" pay income taxes! This seems to bother a great deal of them! How about you? Regards as always, ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 04-Apr-2010 at 14:37
I do not hate Rush Limbaugh because hes rich, I think he is evil because he became rich by manipulating the underprivileged, and making millions of dollars of them. I think he is evil because he attacks everything that is good for them and makes them believe it is bad too, while at the same time he is a multi-milllionaire who never has to face the problems that his listeners do. He is a despicable human being, with no morals or ethics, no sense of right and wrong. Anyone can be rich opuslola, but its what you do with your wealth that matters. Getting rich off of the backs of the poor is nothing to be proud of.
Really? Is that why Glenn Beck started a campaign against the Christian religion in order to make it the religion of the wealthy rather than a religion of the average person? Believe me when I say that Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh do not care about their viewers, or the American people, they are greedy and will tell them anything they can in order to sell their books, have them watch them on tv, and listen to their radio programs... They are truly evil.
No, the less competition for them the better, they do not want you to get rich. Corporations do not want you to get rich. Corporations want other corporations to fail. Do you not understand how capitalism works? The less crazy radio hosts there are, the more people will less to the few that exist, and they make money. The less crazy tv hosts there are, the more people will watch that persons program and thus make him more money. Glenn Beck, for example, is taking out a huge chunk of the viewership/listener-ship/popularity of the other crazies... Its competition, the only they want you to do is to make them more rich. Do you think that Microsoft wanted Google to prosper? No! Do you that Coke doesnt wish it could go back and buy out Pepsi when Pepsi offered Coke their company decades ago? common sense buddy.
I plan on being wealthy, but not by screwing over other people, especially the poor.
No, money does not buy happiness, I would be just as happy if I wasnt rich than if I was rich, as long as I had a good life.
Not at all, after a certain point of wealth, everything more than that is simply excess, and tax really doesnt affect ones lifestyle anymore. For example, income tax or any level of tax really doesnt matter to Bill Gates, he has more than enough money... Its only those that are greedy that hate the income tax. By the way, did you know that most corporations pay less taxes than the average person, and sometimes they pay no taxes at all!
http://www.mytwodollars.com/2008/08/13/66-of-american-corporations-pay-zero-federal-income-tax/ http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/04/us/04talx.html?hp No, the greedy do not want you to be rich. You have a very warped view of reality... |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 04-Apr-2010 at 19:53
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TGS, you actually wrote the following!!!;
"By the way, did you know that most corporations pay less taxes than the average person, and sometimes they pay no taxes at all!" God damn it! I am well pleased that you noted the above! You are almost pre-cognitive? On the other hand, I would shout to the heavens if "NO" corporation or company had to pay income taxes, nor many of the other taxes contrived by persons like you! It seems you have almost no knowledge of taxes and corportations or any other type of business involved in the selling of a product of any type! Your ignorance is both "expected" and in the same manner "sad!" That is, I expected more from you than such a "regressive" type of response! Do you, or have you ever considered just what part of America really pays these taxes? It is obvious by your words above that either you have not considered it, or you, by your very nature, just cannot fathom the facts! Sorry to say it, but you are getting more boring each day! But, I will still be awaiting a response to my above post? ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 04-Apr-2010 at 20:21
Exactly, our current system is messed up. Corporations should be paying taxes like the rest of us! Why do they get away with it? Because of the conservative movement in this country and their lobbying and... 8 years of the Bush administration.
Sure.
Yea, I'm ignorant.
I thought everything bad was progressive?
What are you talking about? I think you completely missed the point here...
Well then dont read my posts, simple solution...besides, you dont read them as it is, so how is it that I am boring you? |