Mullah got on tape when having sex
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Topic: Mullah got on tape when having sex
Posted By: Suren
Subject: Mullah got on tape when having sex
Date Posted: 27-Oct-2008 at 23:16
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A famous mullah(Muslim clergyman) got on tape when having sex with another mullah's wife. This shows the depth of the moral corruption inside the clergy society. Warning:Over 18+ plz You have to type Hassan Golestani in Google then you may find the link. I don't know if this pic is allowed or not since the quality is very poor. If it is necessary you may delete it (Staff members)  ------------- Anfører |
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Posted By: Suren
Date Posted: 27-Oct-2008 at 23:32
 Sorry could not resist that Singlemuslim.com advertisement under this thread.
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Posted By: Seko
Date Posted: 28-Oct-2008 at 00:12
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I love it when hypocrites are caught doing the nasty on tape.
Mullahs Gone Wild! Free video to boot.
If it looks like a Mullah, and it cheats like a Mullah, then its a Mullah.  ------------- |
Posted By: Suren
Date Posted: 28-Oct-2008 at 00:50
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Btw, by Islamic law both of them will be stoned to death (married adultery law) ------------- Anfører |
Posted By: Seko
Date Posted: 28-Oct-2008 at 00:54
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You mean fake Islamic law Iranian style! If there is anything people should have learned around here by now is that Islamicists and Islam, based on the Quran, tend to be two different relgions. But hey it's Iran. And like most corrupt Mullahs of the world they live in the stone age. ------------- |
Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 28-Oct-2008 at 07:24
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Perhaps he should be congradulated. At least he wasn't doing it with a choir boy.
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 28-Oct-2008 at 14:33
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There are always some exceptions! [Quran, 33:50] O prophet! We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have paid their dowers; and those whom your right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to you and daughters of your paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of your maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated from Mecca with you; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the prophet; this only for you, and not for the believers. We know what we have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess; in order that there should be no difficulty for you. And Allah is oft-forgiving most merciful. ------------- 
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Posted By: Reginmund
Date Posted: 29-Oct-2008 at 08:40
Nonsense. It just shows they have normal human desires.  Unavoidably though this guy will be branded a hypocrite, perhaps rightfully so since he has no doubt been preaching the virtues of monogamous marriage. Also, it would've been better if they had first ended each their marriages before doing this, but I guess that could've been hard in their society (?) and hence I suppose they didn't have much choice other than cheating. Oh well, I'd wish them the best of luck but I suppose that's futile considering all the feldspar that awaits them. One more sign many Islamic communities need change I guess, not that we needed to be reminded. ------------- |
Posted By: Gharanai
Date Posted: 29-Oct-2008 at 22:55
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@Suren
hahahahahaha
hahahahahahah
To be honest I can't stop laughing for on the topic of yours dear.
I mean what you want to say is that everyone with a beard is a clergy and that also straight away a Muslim Clergy hahahahahaha. Funiest recent joke.....
What do you say about....
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52260 - Rosie attacks pope over clergy sex scandal
Claims Benedict XVI covered up priest misconduct for decades or
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/16/pope.wed/index.html - Pope calls church sex abuse scandal a 'deep shame'or http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/29/eveningnews/main551557.shtml - Another Church Sex Scandal
or
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3872499.stm - Timeline: US Church sex scandal
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_sex_abuse_cases - Catholic sex abuse cases
or simply go to below link and save some 100s of more lines of mine...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2007-18%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=pope+sex+scandal&btnG=Search - Click Here
hahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahah
What I really want to show you is that don't relate a religion or an entire group/community of people with a single offender because while offending the have already disowned themselves from their community.... (in case even if that person is a Muslim).
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Posted By: Suren
Date Posted: 30-Oct-2008 at 00:51
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First of all, see the video then you will see the clergy cloths;beside he is famous in Iran, so there is no doubt of being clergy or not. Second, I don't know if you are aware of Iranian society, but these are the people who kill people for doing the same thing. They go to Islamic school with our money, the government pay them whenever they continue their studies. They preach, chide, torture or even kill people for doing this sort of things. There are many corrupted and hypocrites clergy inside Iran and many more reports which government deny or cover up. This is a rare case that a tape has been leaked from their storage and a good opportunity to show their real face. These people rule the country in the name of Islam and god. This man who you will see in the tape is an Imam who people pray behind him on Fridays. People have to know which kind of person he is.
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Posted By: Suren
Date Posted: 30-Oct-2008 at 00:57
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All sex scandals specially those that has been committed by the Clergyman/woman (be it Muslim, Christian, or Jew) are ugly because they pretend to be religious and righteous but they deceive people in reality. I hope u get the main point which is showing the real face of hypocrites, and saying they are just like any normal human. In conclusion, I hope you see the brutality of some Sharia law that result in death of the people. Let them taste their own Sharia law. If you can read and understand Persian then take a look at this article. It is funny to know that both of them has been release without any punishment and the story had been covered up by government. Some people who were in the process got the tape and gave it to the media to bring justice to these people and corrupted authorities. http://www.goftaniha.org/2008/10/blog-post_21.html ------------- Anfører |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 30-Oct-2008 at 05:16
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The story is said to be similar to this Isalmic story that most Muslims know it:
One day Muhammad the Prophet went to visit the house of his adopted son Zaid, but Zaid was not there. Muhammad saw Zeyd's wife, Zainab, unveiled. Noticing the beauty of her body and sexuality, he was strongly attracted to her. He exclaimed, "Praised be God who changes men's hearts!". When Zaid returned to his house and saw them, Muhammad immediately said to him "I received a message from the God that it obliges you to divorce your wife for Islam". Zaid did it and Muhammad married Zainab!! -------------
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 30-Oct-2008 at 05:47
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Where in the Quran would you find this then? Since the Quran is the place where all of the Prophet's revelations were compiled after all. ------------- |
Posted By: Gharanai
Date Posted: 30-Oct-2008 at 11:01
Number One: As I said in the first place that
So I guess even if he is a clergy and has done so, he has already sold out his conscience and his value towards Almighty Allah.
And about the hypocracy in Iran I would totaly agree with you in this regard that they have always been hypocrats and have had double standards and it's not just Iran but the entire world.
I mean we all remember Dick Cheneys envolvement in a murder case but has anyone ever heard of that news ever again?
The answer is NO.
Same goes to all of those Christian Bishops who have never been charged or delt with according with the religious rules.
There are many many other examples of such things through out history.
Second as far as Shariya laws are concerned they are set so that people could not commit such actions of shame, and now it's uppon the leaders to really show that if they are true followers of the law (Shariya) or are just pretenders.
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Posted By: Gharanai
Date Posted: 30-Oct-2008 at 11:50
That's totaly incorrect and blasphemous.
Let me make your views clear with reference to Prof. Montgomery W. Watt.
Zaynab after her migration to Medina, she became part of the newly founded Muslim community. There, Muhammad (PBUH) proposed to Zaynab's family the marriage of his freed slave and adopted son, Zayd. While Zayd was an Abyssinian and a former slave, Zaynab had an aristocratic lineage, thus having a higher social status. On these grounds her brothers rejected the proposal and she disapproved of it. The prophet Muhammad (PBUH), however, was determined to eliminate such class distinctions under pre-Islamic Arab custom. He also wanted to establish the legitimacy and right to equal treatment of the adopted.
When Qur'an Shareef's revealed;
"33:36 - It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path."
Zaynab acquiesced and married Zayd in the year 626. Zaynab's marriage was unharmonious, and eventually became unbearable. Although Muhammad advised him against this, Zayd divorced Zaynab, their marriage had lasted just over a year.
While Zaynab was trying to marry Muhammad (PBUH), Pre-Islamic practices belonging to a lower, communalistic level of familial institutions where a child's paternity was not definitely known, considered such a marriage to be a taboo. Such a view considered a biological son to be the same as an adopted one.
Initially, however, Muhammad (PBUH) was reluctant to marry Zaynab, but in the meanwhile Muhammad (PBUH) wanted to break the hold of pre-Islamic ideas over muslims' conduct in society, and The Qur'an Shareef, indicating that this marriage was a duty imposed upon him by Allah. Muhammad (PBUH) proceeded to reject these taboos and pre-islamic laws and when Zaynab's waiting period from her divorce was complete, Muhammad married her and set an end point to pre-islamic law related to the situation.
References:
Maududi, vol. 4, p. 108, 112-3
Haykal, p.295
William Montgomery Watt, p.233
Caesar E. Farah, Islam: Beliefs and Observances, p.69 -------------
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 30-Oct-2008 at 12:49
Of course, look at Quran 33:37 -------------
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Posted By: beorna
Date Posted: 30-Oct-2008 at 13:58
Oh, Cyrus I fear you are getting big trouble. Shall we call you Cyrus Rushdie now .
I'll give you Asyl, if you need it.
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 30-Oct-2008 at 14:31
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Did I something wrong I meant Islam is a free religion and there is not much prohibition against sex in this religion!! -------------
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These are the exact texts of the verses in the Quran.Posted By: Reginmund
Date Posted: 30-Oct-2008 at 14:53
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Good. I will come to Iran and have lots of sex then.
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Posted By: Mortaza
Date Posted: 30-Oct-2008 at 16:37
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It would be absurd to prohibit sex..
One day Muhammad the Prophet went to visit the house of his adopted son Zaid, but Zaid was not there. Muhammad saw Zeyd's wife, Zainab, unveiled. Noticing the beauty of her body and sexuality, he was strongly attracted to her. He exclaimed, "Praised be God who changes men's hearts!". When Zaid returned to his house and saw them, Muhammad immediately said to him "I received a message from the God that it obliges you to divorce your wife for Islam". Zaid did it and Muhammad married Zainab!! Anyway, I did not heard such absurd story and I am sure, most of muslim does not know your fantasies too. No need to enforce your fantasies to all muslims Cyrus. This is becoming more and more boring..
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Posted By: Suren
Date Posted: 30-Oct-2008 at 16:56
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 30-Oct-2008 at 22:03
It is because you don't read the Quran. -------------
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Posted By: edgewaters
Date Posted: 30-Oct-2008 at 22:33
| How come so many elite religious leaders (the Abrahamic ones, anyway - especially the ones that preach sexual propriety the loudest) are such depraved sex fiends? Kiddie porn bishops, adulterous mullahs, prostitute-addicted televangelists and all the rest - seems to be a common theme. And that's just the ones we know about, probably just the tip of the iceberg. |
Posted By: Mortaza
Date Posted: 30-Oct-2008 at 23:40
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It is because you don't read the Quran. Unrelated. |
Posted By: beorna
Date Posted: 30-Oct-2008 at 23:54
I know from my father-in-law, that in his fathers' youth it was not allowed for catholics to read the old testament. So perhaps good christians, good muslims and good jews don't read their holy books, but follow submissively their teachers or preachers. But as we know, they preach water and drink wine.
I don't know if Cyrus is quoting the Koran correct. I tried to find my Koran, but I couldn't find it till now. Can somebody attest his story. BTW, you shall not adore your neighbours wife. A fiancee is, as far as I know, to set quite equal with a wife. So if god is making a child with Mary, the fiancee of Josef....
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Posted By: Gharanai
Date Posted: 31-Oct-2008 at 11:18
Dear beorna,
With all my due respect that I have for Cyrus, I guess he has lost it a little bit in this matter as niether the Tafseer of 33:37 of Qur'an Shareef that he refered to attests his words nor the original Arabic for of it.
So I would too just say that it might be a kind of his own fantasy.
Check my previous post regarding this where I have writen the original story with reference to original Tafseer of Qur'an Shareef as well as with several references to well known philosophers of Islamic Studies (western and local).
@ Cyrus Shahmiri
"It is because you don't read the Quran"
Dear Cyrus to be honest I didn't know that the Qur'an Shareef in Iran is different than the rest of the world, because you won't find any other muslim from any corner of the world who will attest your version of the story.
It's not just absurd but blasphemous, and may Almighty Allah guide you to the right path because now no one else can help you.
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Posted By: Reginmund
Date Posted: 31-Oct-2008 at 13:03
Our fun won't be even because your girls probably don't take it up the... Well, let's just leave it at that. ------------- |
Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 31-Oct-2008 at 13:13
That is a horrid stereotype and the world would be much better if we rid ourselves of it.
That's a very pessimistic attitude. You see here, the vast majority of clergy throughout the world, do uphold (as best they can) to their values and convictions. The reason you hear so much about sex scandals is because the go against the norm so egregiously. Scandals aren't scandals because they go on all the time. In classic Rome, it was not a scandal for a senator to have relations with one of his underlings because it was common practice. Also we are geared toward sex scandals of this type because they violate a trust between those in authority and those without. Whether it be a clergyman, a teacher, a counselor, a coach or a boss, these violations tantalize us for a variety of reasons and thus they catch on with news sources. Thus there is an oversaturation of sex scandals in the media compared to how things actual operate. Mind you I am no way minimizing the abuse done by authority figures, as they should receive their due justice, however what I am saying is that it is improper to assume that behaviors that have widespread coverage are widespread in practice.
Um...not quite, a fiancee in religious terms is not equal at all to a wife. Without matrimony they are not united as one flesh and one spirit. Thus it is a less sinful practice to cheat with someone else's girlfriend or fiancee than it is to cheat with someone's wife.
Also you are incorrectly inferring that God "made" Jesus with Mary. Mary although being the holiest woman to ever live, had nothing to do with the incarnation of Jesus. Jesus was all ready fully created at all times and it was only God's choice of Mary that he chose her to bring Jesus into the world. God never had relations with Mary, he never "impregnated" her with his seed. Jesus just came into being by the will of God inside of Mary, and even if she was married to Joseph there would still be no sin, because it is in accordance with the will of God. ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
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Date Posted: 31-Oct-2008 at 13:14
Reginmund, to come to this conclusion you must not be a very convincing personality. With enough suggestion, well....I'll just leave it at that. ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 31-Oct-2008 at 13:17
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Oh and before I forget here is the Quran passage in English that Cyrus is referring to. (Someone edit this if I am incorrect or a more accurate translation exists). ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: Gharanai
Date Posted: 31-Oct-2008 at 14:19
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That's what I have clearified in my previous posts that, this action was done only to demolish the horribe pre-islamic laws. -------------
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Posted By: Cryptic
Date Posted: 31-Oct-2008 at 16:10
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Just out of curiosity....
How was this initially made public?
Did the Mullah turned porn star actually post it as a trophy on some porno site thinking that he was the only person in Iran interested in surfing that site?
Even under the Iranian version of Islamic law, the Mullah turned porn star has a way out. The adulterous act must be witnessed in person by four witnesses. His adultery has now been witnessed by millions, but all of these witnesses are second hand
 . Looks like he will bw getting off on a technicality. Now he just needs to fear the husband. Somehow, I think that the husband in question is much older than his wife / co-star  . He may not be able to run very fast. Who knows, he might not even have a computer / internet. |
Posted By: edgewaters
Date Posted: 31-Oct-2008 at 16:33
Perhaps, but it is also improper to assume that all these behaviours are exposed. Given that the consequences of exposure are so severe for these individuals, they will naturally do their utmost to ensure they are never discovered. Note that in instances where investigation has been thorough, widespread practices of this sort have been discovered, resulting in several famous - and succesful, on the basis of evidence - class action litigations of mammoth proportion. Attempting to blame the media is simply a futile exercise here, because this is far from being simply a media phenomena. As far as the characterization of Abrahamic organizations being an unfair stereotype, is it? Can you name any other sort of organization that's been hit with so many high profile suits alleging sex abuse, some of them involving hundreds of plaintiffs? A single Catholic organization here in Canada has been hit with over 2000 sex abuse lawsuits! So, I'd say, the characterization is not at all unfair, seeing as these practices cannot be characterized as isolated incidents except by the absurd or uninformed. The practice was systematic in elements of the movement, and attempts to evade responsibility were highly organized, with assets being transferred to offshore religious organizations to escape payment, orchestrated campaigns of denial, and so on. |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 31-Oct-2008 at 16:47
You never find the word "divorced" in this ayat, I think it has been added either by you or someone who has translated it. -------------
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 31-Oct-2008 at 16:52
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Gharanai, it is better that we don't discuss about these things, it seems you are a little biased! -------------
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Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2008 at 13:24
Not legal suits but in Tibetan buddhism it is noted that pedophilia was widespread.
Also: http://reformation.com/CSA/baptistsabuse.html - Baptists ----- http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/index.php/sexual-child-abuse/jehovahs-witnesses-hit-with-abuse-suits-alleged-victims-were-molested-as-children-they-say/ - Jehovah's Witnesses ---- http://www.teacherabuse.com/ - Teachers ---- http://theawarenesscenter.org/clergyabuse.html - Jewish Rabbis ---- Also Catholic abuse scandals tend to be over represented. As http://www.bishop-accountability.org/reports/2004_02_27_JohnJay/2004_02_27_Terry_JohnJay_5.htm#response2 - this site shows, over 5 decades there have been 10,000 accusations. Which I will say is a lot but only 80% of all accusations are found to be strongly likely, so even if you count undocumented (and why would you stay undocumented after the scandals is beyond my understanding). Then you still have 200 cases every year but during this time you also have 110,000 priests in operation. When it's all said in done only 4% of the priest population engaged in molestation. The reason that that number is higher than the general population is because of five things:
Because every lawsuit is representative of a guilty plea....
Yes that's right, forgive the Church for being an organ of mercy and redemption. There was no attempt to evade responsibility it was a misinformed leadership that had a problem that they had never dealt with before using systems that had been successful in the past with different transgressions of the clergy. Again I ask is an accusation proof of foul conduct. Perhaps they denied because they were innocent. You certainly don't know so don't presume guilt in their cases. Granted a guilty party will in the vast majority of the time proclaim innocence but you can't just presume that because one priest or a thousand priests are guilty that every single one of them is. And removing money to offshore accounts, as long as nothing was illegal I do not see the problem in this. It is anyone's right to protect themselves in any way they can. Besides you will not find me seeing justice in many of the punitive and outright vindictive monetary awards given to victims. There is no price for a persons innocence or dignity, the only thing that would be just would be to do everything to repair the damage done. Have the church pay for counseling and psychiatric care, have them make a public apology and allow them the chance to set up systems that can prevent future behavior. Don't have them hand you hundreds of thousands of dollars in "pain and suffering" damages, because when you do that you deprive children of an education, you deprive the homeless meals and shelters and mostly you unfairly place a burden on parishes that may not have anything to do with sex scandals to tighten their belt for no other reason then to fatten someone else's pockets. ---------------
Well then post the correct form of the verse Cyrus. ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: Mortaza
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2008 at 13:56
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Gharanai, it is better that we don't discuss about these things, it seems you are a little biased!
Haha so you are not biased? Please, You are producing a story noone(Acording to you, most of muslim know it.) know and You try to call others "biased."
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Posted By: Al Jassas
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2008 at 15:49
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Hello Cryptic
Actually things go alot more interesting. A video tape is not a proof of guiltiness per se. Actually according to one school of fiqh, which is the one followed by most judges here in Saudi Arabia, a crime only can be proven by testimony of muslim grown religious men or confession, which you can withdraw any time you want. Any evidence even if it were stronger than testimony is trivial and are not taken into consideration. To give you an example, last year a motherf**g p**mp was caught with a naked 4 year old boy in his car trunk. Abduction and rape are punishable by crucifiction to death publically, but since there was no report of abduction the man was charged with solicitation and given a 4 year sentence. What makes you even more angry is that another 17 year old kid killed a an ex-felon who was a known paedophile in self defence and with a weapon that should have given him a 2nd degree muderd, which means only prison, the judges refused to accept evidence and He was executed early this year.
I don't know which laws they rule by in Iran but a hazy video tape is not going to send this guy to be stoned or even reprimanded.
AL-Jassas
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2008 at 16:22
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Mortaza, would you please tell us the real story? That is something which has been mentioned in the Islamic books, if you have another source for this story, please mention it.
I found this one from Answering Islam website: http://www.answering-islam.org/Women/place.html - http://www.answering-islam.org/Women/place.html
"Once Muhammad needed something from Zaid so he went to his house. There he saw Zeinab, Zaid's wife, cleaning the house. Noticing the beauty of her body he was strongly attracted to her. He exclaimed, "Praised be God who changes men's hearts!" Zeinab reported the incident in detail to her husband. He was very upset and went at once to the Prophet and asked him permission to divorce her. Muhammad concealed what he felt in his heart and urged Zaid to keep his wife. Now this was a noble posture. However, Zaid could not bear to see his adoptive father so infatuated with his only wife. He went ahead and divorced her and Muhammad quickly married Zeinab." -------------
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2008 at 16:25
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Cyrus Answering Islam is a website that attacks Islam, it is not a site to be used for information.
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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2008 at 16:35
Nor can we judge Lamaism in practice from afar with so much control of information (no free access) and bias from the PRC government. You don't want generalisations on the latin church yet you pull this sht out as a some sort of proof of "pedophilia was widespread" in another reilgion? certainly what would the Vatican be called if so much weight can be given on one testimony. ------------- 
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2008 at 18:38
What are you trying to deny? Bukhari, Ya'qubi, Tabari, Masudi and almost all other muslim historians have narrated this story, for example Tabari says:
Narrated by Yunis, narrated by Ibn Wahab, narrated by Ibn Zaid (son of Zaid) who said, "The prophet -pbuh- had married Zaid son of Haritha to his cousin Zainab daughter of Jahsh. One day the prophet -pbuh- went seeking Zaid in his house, whose door had a curtain made of hair. The wind blew the curtain and the prophet saw Zainab in her room unclothed and he admired her in his heart. When Zainab realized that the prophet desired her SHE BEGAN TO HATE ZAID. English translation of al-Tabari's Arabic
source: http://www.muslimhope.com/WhyDidMohammedGetSoManyWives.htm#ZaynabOfJahsh - http://www.muslimhope.com/WhyDidMohammedGetSoManyWives.htm#ZaynabOfJahsh (I hope you don't say MuslimHope is also an anti-Islam website!) -------------
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Posted By: Mortaza
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2008 at 21:38
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"One day Muhammad the Prophet went to visit the house of his adopted son Zaid, but Zaid was not there. Muhammad saw Zeyd's wife, Zainab, unveiled. Noticing the beauty of her body and sexuality, he was strongly attracted to her. He exclaimed, "Praised be God who changes men's hearts!". When Zaid returned to his house and saw them, Muhammad immediately said to him "I received a message from the God that it obliges you to divorce your wife for Islam". Zaid did it and Muhammad married Zainab!!" "Once Muhammad needed something from Zaid so he went to his house. There he saw Zeinab, Zaid's wife, cleaning the house. Noticing the beauty of her body he was strongly attracted to her. He exclaimed, "Praised be God who changes men's hearts!" Zeinab reported the incident in detail to her husband. He was very upset and went at once to the Prophet and asked him permission to divorce her. Muhammad concealed what he felt in his heart and urged Zaid to keep his wife. Now this was a noble posture. However, Zaid could not bear to see his adoptive father so infatuated with his only wife. He went ahead and divorced her and Muhammad quickly married Zeinab."
 http://www.muslimhope.com/ - http://www.muslimhope.com/
Dear Muslim reader, my prayer is that as you browse through the material on this site, that you would see Islam for what it really is, a corruption and counterfeit of truth, and the Bible for what it really is, the Word of God that He is able to preserve. My hope for you, dear Muslim, is that you and I will together please God as we dwell together in Heaven, saved through the precious blood of Jesus.
No. Muslim hope is absolutely not an anti-Islam website!
http://www.google.com.tr/search?hl=tr&q=The+prophet+-pbuh-+had+married+Zaid+son+of+Haritha+to+his+cousin+Zainab+daughter+of+Jahsh.&btnG=Googleda+Ara&meta - Narrated by Yunis, narrated by Ibn Wahab, narrated by Ibn Zaid (son of Zaid) who said, "The prophet -pbuh- had married Zaid son of Haritha to his cousin Zainab daughter of Jahsh. One day the prophet -pbuh- went seeking Zaid in his house, whose door had a curtain made of hair. The wind blew the curtain and the prophet saw Zainab in her room unclothed and he admired her in his heart. When Zainab realized that the prophet desired her SHE BEGAN TO HATE ZAID. English translation of al-Tabari's Arabic http://www.google.com.tr/search?hl=tr&q=%22The+prophet+-pbuh-+had+married+Zaid+son+of+Haritha+to+his+cousin+Zainab+daughter+of+Jahsh.%22&btnG=Google%27da+Ara&meta=
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Posted By: Reginmund
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2008 at 22:56
I was joking, of course. Everyone knows this is something that comes natural to all girls. I suppose no one noticed which entrance the Mullah was utilizing. ------------- |
Posted By: edgewaters
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2008 at 23:27
I'm sorry but Michael Parenti is not a PRC spokesperson but a respected American author and political commentator, and the account from Tashì-Tsering is hardly isolated. There is an abundance of documentation predating the birth of communism in China (let alone the takeover of Tibet) detailing such practices. |
Posted By: edgewaters
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2008 at 23:35
Sure. I'll concede that organized religion tends towards such things even outside of the Abrahamic religions.
There are more than that number of succesful litigants in Canada alone. I think you're confusing the issue here by assuming 1 case = 1 incident. In fact, many of the suits brought here involve hundreds (in some cases thousands) of litigants and dozens of defendants.
I think so, once you have a conviction and an apology. There've been hundreds of those here. Dime a dozen, you might say.
Yes, let's not forget in all this who the real victim is: the church. Right? It's okay if they attempt to evade justice illegally. Transferring assets that have been ordered liquidated is extremely illegal, something more typically associated with mafia fronts. And yes, they are on the hook for it. |
Posted By: azimuth
Date Posted: 02-Nov-2008 at 05:33
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ok now everbody please if you have anything to add regarding the TOPIC of this thread go ahead and post, if you want to discuss off topic stuff you are more than wellcome to start a new thread.
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Posted By: Afghanan
Date Posted: 02-Nov-2008 at 20:01
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Shameful and Pitiful Mullah. The posts of some members here to attack Islam are equally shameful. ------------- The perceptive man is he who knows about himself, for in self-knowledge and insight lays knowledge of the holiest. ~ Khushal Khan Khattak |
Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2008 at 16:00
Actually, the website led me to believe that it measured accusations, not trials. Therefore it is possible that someone listed an accusation without taking part in a civil suit, which would be counted in this report but not on a government report. Now i'll agree that 1 accusation is not 1 incident but I do not believe that it is using trials as data but individuals.
Well....yes, way to state the obvious. I asked if being accused is the same as being found guilty. Your response is finding someone guilty and/or pleading guilty is the same as being found guilty. Therefore this entire statement is without merit and is misleading because you seem to imply it is a common occurance when you give me zero data to support that view.
A person can be a victim and an abuser at the same time. For instance a priest abuses a child. (Church responsible for allowing the abuse by negligence) A child falsifies abuse by a priest in order to get a settlement for money. (The child and his family are responsible for defrauding a non-profit organization.) Both are real victims in my eyes. Although I'm not an idiot and I know that there is far more child abuse than fraud going on. However you would have to be an idiot to believe that no fraud has occured.
No, I said that as long as the movement of money was done using proper legal channels they did nothing wrong. If they illegally moved money (which I can't believe they'd do) then they are far more wrong for doing so. Again give me some proof of this rather than just hearsay so that I can give some kind of reasonable defense.
Thank you for defending me on this edgewaters. I also remember reading about this practice in a National Geographic (I think?) but the exact article eludes me. I'm sure with even a cursory search online one would be able to find enough data to support my statements. ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2008 at 16:48
It was better to say "Shameful and Pitiful Bigots", Mullah is one of them.
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