Henry VIII's offspring
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Topic: Henry VIII's offspring
Posted By: flaja
Subject: Henry VIII's offspring
Date Posted: 24-May-2008 at 02:49
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Did Henry VIII have any descendants via his mistresses that have ever or could ever sit on the throne of England? |
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Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 24-May-2008 at 11:43
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No.[1] The sucession to the throne is governed by the Act of Settlement of 1701, which establishes that only descendants of the Electress Sophia of Hanover (granddaughter of James I) could succeed to the throne (and then only if they were 'in communion with the Church of England).
[1] Of course I suppose it's theoretically possible that a descendant of Sophia could also, coincidentally, be a descendant of Henry VIII on the wrong side of the blanket, but it seems unlikely since the backgrounds of hter descendants' spouses are pretty well known. ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 24-May-2008 at 15:39
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The present Queen is a decendant of Henry Tudor if memory serves. ------------- |
Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 24-May-2008 at 16:03
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Well, so was Electress Sophia, so that follows, doesn't it?
However, a descendant of Henry VIII who is not a descendant of the Electress Sophia cannot sit on the throne of England. (Unless of course Parliament changes the law which has been constant for 307 years now.)
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Posted By: flaja
Date Posted: 24-May-2008 at 21:55
As have been every other monarch of England since Henry Tudor. It is true that only Protestant descendants of James I's daughter Elizabeth are eligible to sit on the throne, but have any of Henry VIII's illegitimate descendants ever married one of the descendants of Elizabeth? Prince William and Harry are both descendants of 2 of Charles II's illegitimate children through their mother, who had 2 of Charles II’s mistresses in her ancestry. And I want to say that Elizabeth II is descended from Charles II the same way through her mother, Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, so a reigning monarch need not have legitimate offspring in order to have offspring sit on the throne. |
Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 25-May-2008 at 11:41
Actually it's his granddaughter, Sophia. Descendants of Elizabeth's other children Frederick of Pfalz, Elector Palatine Charles, the other Elisabeth of Bohemia, Rupert of the Rhine, Maurice of Simmern, and count Palatine Edward, are NOT eligible to succeed to the throne, in communion with the Church of England, or not.
But what do you care about accuracy?
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Posted By: Windemere
Date Posted: 29-May-2008 at 17:38
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I don't think that King Henry VIII has any certain living descendants today, legitimate or illegitimate. His legitimate children (Edward, Mary, and Elizabeth) had no issue. Henry did have one illegitimate son who was made Earl of Richmond, but who died at a young age without issue. Henry was rumoured to have had other illegitimate children with his paramour Mary Boleyn but these rumours weren't validated, and Mary's husband was actually considered to be the father of both of her children.
Henry VIII's father, Henry VII( also known as Henry Tudor) had two daughters, Margaret and Mary. Margaret married the King of Scotland and is an ancestor of the present British royal family. (Mary Queen of Scots was a descendant of Margaret). Henry VII's younger daughter Mary I think also has present-day descendants in the British nobility. ------------- Windemere |
Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 29-May-2008 at 18:28
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Mary Queen of Scots is also an ancestor of the present Queen, since James I was her son. ------------- |
Posted By: flaja
Date Posted: 30-May-2008 at 00:58
In the event that his own children died without issue, Henry VIII wanted the descendants of his sister Mary to inherit the throne. Henry’s son Edward was persuaded to name Lady Jane Grey, who was descended from Mary Tudor, as his successor in stead of his half-sister Mary. Mary captured Jane and had her beheaded. Jane Grey’s younger sister got married without the permission of Elizabeth I, which violated English law since the reigning monarch had a right to veto the marriage plans of any heir to the throne. But despite being locked up in the |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 06-Jun-2012 at 19:31
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Besides Edward, Mary and Elizabeth, Henry had at least three other children. One was his son Henry Fitzroy, and the other two were the offspring of Anne Boleyn's sister Mary: Henry Carey and Catherine Knollys
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Posted By: Sidney
Date Posted: 06-Jun-2012 at 20:31
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Thomas Stucley (c1525-1578), allowed people to believe that he was Henry VIII's illegitimate son; a game that even amused Queen Elizabeth. But it is unlikely that he was really so.
Henry VIII is said to have had a daughter Etheldreda Malte(d.1555) who married John Harrington, one of Henry VIII's treasurers. |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 07-Jun-2012 at 19:35
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Were there any other notable individuals claiming descent from Henry? He must have had many mistresses during his 38 year reign
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Posted By: Sidney
Date Posted: 07-Jun-2012 at 20:39
Anthony Hall, a Shropshire ex-policeman, claimed to be the rightful King of England in the 1930s due to his claimed descent from a son of Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn. He challenged King George V to a duel - the loser to be beheaded. He died childless in 1947. Don't know if he had any siblings/cousins who believed him.
Anthony William Hall (1898-1947) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/5222426.stm - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/5222426.stm http://hereford1938.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/herefords-king-of-england.html - http://hereford1938.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/herefords-king-of-england.html |
Posted By: Windemere
Date Posted: 29-Jul-2012 at 20:53
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Henry Fitzroy was King Henry's illegitimate son by his maitresse, Lady Bessie Blount. Henry was very proud of his young son, created him Earl of Richmond, and considered legitimizing him and making him heir to the throne. But young Henry became sick and died of the sweating-sickness while still in childhood.
Henry and Catherine Carey were the children of Mary Boleyn, another of Henry's maitresses. But their father is traditionally considered to have been Mary's husband, William Carey. A number of modern historians have analyzed the circumstances and timing of their births, and concluded that William Carey (Mary's husband), was most likely the father of Catherine, but King Henry possibly may have been Catherine's father, though it's uncertain. Both Henry and Catherine have present-day descendants. ------------- Windemere |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 30-Jul-2012 at 14:45
Interesting stuff that 'sweating sickness'.... still an unknown today. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 30-Jul-2012 at 15:43
Yes and no. there are folks who have been doing research on this. They are still uncertain, but they believe the cause was a Pulmonary Virus, similar to Hanta Virus.
From the Ann Boleyn Files-
In their article “The English Sweating Sickness, 1485 – 1551: A Viral Pulmonary Disease?”, Taviner, Thwaites and Gant argue that “the causative agent for the sweat was a virus with a marked pulmonary component and few cutaneous signs”13. They use the symptoms recorded by Forrestier and Caius and the absence of “exanthematous [skin eruption] or haemorrhagic signs” to cast doubt on the theory that the disease was an abovirus as these types of infections are usually characterized by skin eruptions of some kind. They also note that the “rapidity of clinical course” of sweating sickness is also not characteristic of an arbovirus.
and this pulmonary aspect of the disease, combined with the summer preponderance and the rural nature of sweating sickness which point to “a viral infectious agent with a rodent reservoir”, have led them to point otut the similarities between sweating sickness and Hantavirus Pulmonary Syndrome (HPS). This syndrome is caused by catching a virus from infected small rodents and it has the following symptoms in succession:-
Read more: http://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/6214/sweating-sickness/#ixzz228WQtO7O - http://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/6214/sweating-sickness/#ixzz228WQtO7O |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 30-Jul-2012 at 19:00
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That's good stuff Red and makes sense even to me. All in all? nasty shit. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 31-Jul-2012 at 20:08
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According to Francis Bacon sweating sickness killed the young and generally spared old men, women, children and foreigners. To the superstitious, this disease heralded much worse tribulations, culminating in Bloody Mary's persecutions Bacon, F. The history of their reigns of Henry VII, Henry VIII, Edward VI, and Queen Mary, (London, 1676), Henry Huntingdon library, Wing B300, Reel 342:04 ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |