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Philosophy of violence

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Topic: Philosophy of violence
Posted By: Paul
Subject: Philosophy of violence
Date Posted: 28-Sep-2007 at 04:33
A while back I was walking near Russel Square. The road has three lanes. Two car lanes and a bicycle. The bicycle lane is as wide as a car lane and two way. Spanning the three lanes is a pedestrian crossing. Luckily I  arrived at the pedestrian crossingas the traffic lights were red and the 'man' green. Because it was likely to change at any minute and hurried not really observing much around me.
 
I crossed the two car lanes and was about a metre into the cycle lane when.... Bang! The right handlebars of a cycle hit me in the left side of my ribcage. The impact startled me and made me jump back. For a moment I was taken aback then realised other than the initial shock I wasn't really hurt.
 
Then I flash backed to the crash... the impact caused the front wheel of the cycle to twist. The rear wheel raise up and the cyclist flew over the handlebars crashing to the ground headfirst followed by his cycle crashing on top of him.
 
I looked over and sure enough saw him sprawled on the floor in pain. After a while he got up and came over to me screaming "You F%$%.... B*&^££ and C&$£*"
 
I was taken aback by this a little too much to respond coherently. However I did manage to make a very pronounced pointing gesture towards the red traffic light he had just ridden through and said very condescendingly "RED LIGHT".
 
He responded by in an equally pronounced fashion pointing to his cycle and saying "BYCYCLE" implying the red light didn't apply to him because he was a cyclist..... He then continued his tiraid calling me "F^&** S£$% " and so on.
 
.......................................................................................So I hit him.
 
I punched him one time only, with a straight right on the nose. It didn't knock him over.
 
He looked at me stunned. For a few seconds his brain whirled over a what happened and how he should respond.
 
After a few seconds, visibly fuming and blowing air out his nostrels to register disaproval, in angry motions, he picked up his cycle and went on his way without uttering another word.
 
Funny. As I hit him I was in total control. Not remotley angry, no red mist. I chose to do it because I thought social convention obliged me to and he looked like a middle class veggie wimp, so i could get away with it. Now in hindsight I feel no remorse, actually the fact he was so middle class, born out by his wimping out makes me feel really good about myself and superior.
 
 


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 28-Sep-2007 at 05:13
I believe that is, in Australia, referred to as "assault and battery".

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Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 28-Sep-2007 at 05:57
You are my hero, PaulThumbs%20Up

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Posted By: Ulrich Wolff
Date Posted: 28-Sep-2007 at 15:51
Violence is an easy solution to some problems. When you can't deal with people logically, but it still isn't the right thing to do. It would've been better if you just walked the other way completely ignoring the idiot who ran you over with his bicycle because he decided the law of the road didn't apply to bicyclists, only pedestrians and drivers.


Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 28-Sep-2007 at 17:52
May i quote you, Paul.
 
There are three ways of doing things:
 
The right way, the wrong and the Paul way, oops, wher's the third?


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 28-Sep-2007 at 23:23
Since when does anyone expect paul to make a rational, balanced decision?LOL

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Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 29-Sep-2007 at 04:21
Cry

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Posted By: Reginmund
Date Posted: 29-Sep-2007 at 14:20
Originally posted by Paul

Funny. As I hit him I was in total control. Not remotley angry, no red mist. I chose to do it because I thought social convention obliged me to and he looked like a middle class veggie wimp, so i could get away with it. Now in hindsight I feel no remorse, actually the fact he was so middle class, born out by his wimping out makes me feel really good about myself and superior.

 

 


Sounds more like you aimed that punch at your own inferiority complex then.

In any case you did the right thing. Violence is a good way of marking the social boundaries of tolerance, and we all have to draw a line somewhere unless we are to become doormats for every bastard out there.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 29-Sep-2007 at 16:36
Bikers here in Chicago are horrid, especially messenger boys, etc... A year or so ago when I was downtown driving in heavy rain around Congress, where we have the trainrails overhead a biker ran through red, and the car next to me but further away couldn't stop in time not to hit him so he steered off to the right and hit one of the large pillars supporting the trainrail up above. The biker just drove away as expected. These type of incidents are not uncommon here, I've seen them drive onto the street in front of cars cutting off vehicles that could easily kill them upon impact. And we do not even have specific routes next to the sidewalk for bikers in most areas of the city, in Munich they have at least on most bigger streets a seperate area next to the sidewalk just for bikers.
 
Punching him seems reasonable in a way, there could've been other solutions, but in some instances as Reginmund pointed out you do have to draw some social boundaries. It is inexcusible for him to now watch out, in another situation that could have proved much more severe, and the bastard probably would've just went his way without assisting.
 
 


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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 30-Sep-2007 at 05:04
we have these couriers on cycles in the Sydney CBD and they deserve a couple of hits to the head themselves. They are meant to respect the road rules the same as cars but don't and are a danger to pedestrians, cars and themselves. I almost got collected by one who was going the wrong way down a one way street, if we connected i would of had something very strong to say to him, for starters.

As for Paul story, the cyclist deserved it. Why should Paul feel guilty, backing himself up when he was in the right all along? unless UK rules are different and cyclists get a special treatment he should of apologized to Paul for not paying attention and putting him at risk. that accident could of hurt Paul more if he was hit differently. So hats off to Paul, i hope that person learns a few things from that encounter.

Violence can right wrongs or settle disputes, though for me its only a legit way after reason is no longer an option. Guilt over violence is a learned feeling and is an adaption to our harmonic society over the recent history. Violence itself is however totally natural.



Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 30-Sep-2007 at 05:08

I was expecting more radical answer from you, Leonidas. Something like... THIS IS SPARTA! and kick the cyclist to the bottonless pit of doom...



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 30-Sep-2007 at 06:16
Haha, well Paul hardly had to do anything, it wasn't like he even had to talk to the guy.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 30-Sep-2007 at 08:55
Cyclists should not be allowed on the road. Period.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 30-Sep-2007 at 10:17
In Brisbane we have a solution. It's called the bikeway. It's for cyclists and sexual predators. LOL

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Posted By: TheARRGH
Date Posted: 03-Oct-2007 at 02:10
The philosophy of violence? when needed? fine, even good. A tiger needs to devour other creatures to live, so there's no guilt there, and doesn't need to be. Same with self-defense. If it was necessity, there's no amount of "He didn't deserve it" or "you should have found an alternative" that can change the fact that it was the right thing to do.

In this particular situation? ask yourself: did you need to hit him? what was the point? it shut him up, certainly. But why even pay attention to him? you could just walk away and not even appear to care. Maybe he would've resorted to violence, and then it would've been as morally acceptable as is humanly possible.

His words? if he's that upset over your refusal to admit that bicycles are immune from any lawful authority, his words are insignificant. why pay attention to him in the first place? act like he wasn't there. He certainly wasn't there in terms of number of brain cells used.


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 03-Oct-2007 at 02:14
I don't know... one could say the cyclist was in the wrong.... but he never resorted to physical violence. So perhaps he now has the moral and legal highground.... and possibly showed a little more intelligence too.

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Posted By: Adalwolf
Date Posted: 03-Oct-2007 at 04:48
Good job Paul! I hate cyclists. They never give you warning and speed by you with centimeters to spare. If someone hit me and then screamed at me, they'd get more than one punch to the nose. 

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Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 03-Oct-2007 at 13:35
Originally posted by TheARRGH


In this particular situation? ask yourself: did you need to hit him? what was the point? it shut him up, certainly. But why even pay attention to him? you could just walk away and not even appear to care. Maybe he would've resorted to violence, and then it would've been as morally acceptable as is humanly possible.
 
 
As I said in the original post
 
Originally posted by Paul

I chose to do it because I thought social convention obliged me to
 
 


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 03-Oct-2007 at 13:40
Weak, weak excuse. 

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Posted By: Seko
Date Posted: 03-Oct-2007 at 13:43
Looks like an anti biker kick around here. Hey, I love to ride my bike and if I'm at a town with paths built just for biking all the better. Yet, I am sure I would review my options if some jerk ran into me who wasn't paying attention. I don't think I'd blame my reactions on 'social convention' though. It would be pure Seko through and through.
 
While on this subject, what is with some of those bikers that think they can take half of the road and not move over when you pass by in your car?


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Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 03-Oct-2007 at 14:12
Originally posted by Zaitsev

Weak, weak excuse. 
 
You misunderstand what excuse means. An excuse is made by a person who feels they have done something morally wrong.


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 03-Oct-2007 at 14:17
You're right of course. I shouldn't assume you have a sense of morality. LOLWink

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Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 03-Oct-2007 at 15:26

Presumption is the mother of all the Bush family.

 


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Posted By: Ulrich Wolff
Date Posted: 03-Oct-2007 at 15:31

In any case you did the right thing. Violence is a good way of marking the social boundaries of tolerance, and we all have to draw a line somewhere unless we are to become doormats for every bastard out there.


Good way to put it regimund. Personally I would've rolled my eyes, and walked off in this situation because I know damn well and good his ass is gonna get run over if he keeps doing that.



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