What is Heaven?
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Topic: What is Heaven?
Posted By: Bulldog
Subject: What is Heaven?
Date Posted: 20-Aug-2007 at 13:55
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How do different religions describe heaven?
- What is heaven?
- What happens in heaven?
- Is it eternal?
Most religions in the world have a concept of "paradise/heaven", it would be interesting to discover their outlook regarding the matter. ------------- What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal. Albert Pine |
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Posted By: Kamikaze 738
Date Posted: 20-Aug-2007 at 19:11
I describe heaven as a place where all good resides without a presence of evil. The opposite is hell (of course  ). What happens in heaven is up to you as you can do whatever you wish (most be according to good). And I do believe heaven is eternal as with hell.
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Posted By: Adalwolf
Date Posted: 20-Aug-2007 at 19:35
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Well in Heaven, if it were truly heaven, there would be beer, liquor, women, feasting, boasting, singing, fighting... ...err wait, I'm thinking of Valhalla. In heaven you sit around listening to harps and choir music all day, or so I've been told. ------------- Concrete is heavy; iron is hard--but the grass will prevail. Edward Abbey |
Posted By: Surmount
Date Posted: 20-Aug-2007 at 20:08
| everlasting bliss |
Posted By: Northman
Date Posted: 20-Aug-2007 at 21:34
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If you look at and compare to other places in the universe, this planet must be be heaven. We just haven't realized it yet.
All we need is to start acting accordingly, listen to soft music and stop fighting. What a bliss!
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Posted By: Adalwolf
Date Posted: 20-Aug-2007 at 21:46
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Northman, do you want us all to listen to elevator music?! ------------- Concrete is heavy; iron is hard--but the grass will prevail. Edward Abbey |
Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 20-Aug-2007 at 21:48
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It's a kind of hot a firey place, with lots of reddish guys poking people with forks. But at least it ain't got any bloody Mormans in it.
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Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2007 at 01:06
http://www.maximonline.com/uploadedCmsFiles/Slides/ali_larter_2109.jpg - This : Warning NSFW
uh.....no Paul that's hell....but the lack of Mormon's would make it seem like heaven.  As to what Mormons can expect in the afterlife here is a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy0d1HbItOo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy0d1HbItOo ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: kasper
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2007 at 01:15
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Wow, that is one weird video. According to the cartoon, if I become a god in the afterlife, I can have "endless celestial sex with my many wives". Maybe Mormonism isn't so bad after all... ------------- |
Posted By: Kamikaze 738
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2007 at 04:06
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That was a weird story... Mormonism sounds more like a sci-fi thing than a religion to me
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Posted By: Parnell
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2007 at 10:08
Guess someone is a South Park fan?? Its funny though because I'm pretty sure if someone else had of said that the 'CoC' would have come into effect... ------------- |
Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2007 at 18:02
Wow! Doesn't this kind of remind you of Scientology a bit?
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Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2007 at 18:03
Just what the forum needs. Another CoCshover. ------------- Light blue touch paper and stand well back http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk - http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk - http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk |
Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2007 at 18:16
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Heaven is where people can eat good food, have sex with beautiful women and be happy. How could one do these things without material existence, like organs, hormones or enzymes, is beyond me. ------------- |
Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2007 at 18:28
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Pauls behaviour is not in violation of the CoC. Parnell you have a chip
on your shoulder regarding Paul and I suggest you get over it. ------------- |
Posted By: malizai_
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2007 at 19:37
Isn't that the muslim version of heaven minus the fighting, and boasting maybe? ------------- |
Posted By: Seko
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2007 at 21:21
Understanding Paulisms takes some time. He means no offence. Comical analogies perhaps. That is one difference we take into consideration when evaluating violations.
However, you Parnell seem to have a problem with him. The proper channels are by PM. ------------- |
Posted By: Akolouthos
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2007 at 21:43
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As a sometime beneficiary of the "intended humor merits leniency" clause implicit in the Code of Conduct, I hope no plans are made to alter said implicit clause anytime soon. -Akolouthos |
Posted By: SearchAndDestroy
Date Posted: 25-Aug-2007 at 20:36
Not the harping part, unless you get to break harps over heads in Valhalla? ------------- "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." E.Abbey 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 25-Aug-2007 at 21:29
Is Valhalla not Van Hallen ------------- |
Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2007 at 21:52
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It is true about what the video says. When I was younger a good friend told me I could become a god if I became a Mormon and have many wives to create spirit babies. I was younger so all I could think of was- sex, sex, sex and multiple wives from every race and ethnic group and more sex, sex, sex. Mormon Heaven sounded great and I wanted to go there. I thought I could outdo the Christian God I have been brought up with in making a world. I thought I could create a better ecologically balanced world.
I am happy my Greek Orthodox mother refused to allow the Mormon missionaries to talk to me and she warned me it was a cult. ------------- Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε |
Posted By: white dragon
Date Posted: 01-Oct-2007 at 04:25
about that cartoon, i hope you dont think that that is what mormons believe. i mean, there ARE some truths in there, but the vast majority of that is abunch of crap. ------------- Pray as if everything depended upon God and work as if everything depended upon man. -Francis Cardinal Spellman |
Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 01-Oct-2007 at 11:18
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"As man is, God once was; and as God is, man may become."
A Mormon precept, but applicable to other faiths, as in particular Buddhism, if one substitutes 'Buddha' for 'God'.
I guess the response to the cartoon should be looked at too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwJDADdAX5o&watch_response - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwJDADdAX5o&watch_response ------------- |
Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 01-Oct-2007 at 19:34
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A lot of people define heaven as eternal paradise, but I disagree. If heaven was indeed a utopian world, then why did Lucifier (aka Satan) began his rebellion? I remember reading about a book that hinted that even if our world becomes utopian society, people will not find happiness because of boredom and lack of purpose.
How I would define heaven is where God's presence exist. God himself is perfect, yes. Heaven is not a perfect world... for only God is perfect. Anything that reached the point of perfection is God, and God alone. The definition of God is the absolute perfection. By being perfect, he is able to exercise mercy and justice.
I remember reading article about Matrix. When the machines tried to design the illusionary world of Matrix, they tried to create the utopian world. It failed. They tried to create hell where werewolves, demons and other evil things were infested everywhere. It also failed. They tried the 20th century world, where both good and evil were blended together. It worked.
I remember a quote from Evangelion.
"Anywhere can be heaven, as long as you try to live. And because he is alive, for as long as he lives he will have a chance to obtain happiness."
Heaven does not have to be afterlife. Heaven can exist anywhere God's presence continue to exist. A place where one can fulfill his purpose, where he can seek happiness, where his mathimatic slope continues to curve towards the asymptote (x = perfection/God/Jesus), for without purpose, life is meaningless.
Allow me to quote from Matrix Reloaded...
We're not here because we're free, we're here because we're not free... There's no escaping reason, no denying purpose, because, as we both know, without purpose, we would not exist.
And what is our purpose? It depends on everyone, but mine is an adventure. A quest to Godhood. The quest would never end, for I cannot be perfect. But I think that's how God designed everything to be. For all God's creation to seek towards their purpose that binds to God. ------------- http://swagbucks.com/refer/Malachi"> 
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Posted By: Justinian
Date Posted: 02-Oct-2007 at 04:58
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My understanding of it is eternal bliss. Though that has always been disconcerting to me...eternal? Though I also think it might be our time spent on this earth as crazy as that sounds. I have no reason to think re-encarnation exists so once your life ends on this earth that is it. If that is the case then I would say living on this earth would be heaven. If you look at the beauty of the earth and just spend a day listening to it, you'll understand. Heaven and hell both existing on earth perhaps would be more reasonable.
I should add this has been a concern of mine since I was 4 yrs. old. I am happy to say I am much closer to being at peace with this now 17+ yrs. later. It doesn't keep my up all night, giving me concious nightmares anymore. Really, I am now to the point of looking at it as a curiosity that I find interesting, but won't break into night sweats about until I am dead.
 Edit: forgot Northman had pretty much said the same thing, right on Northman!
 Pekau you are wise beyond your years.To do homage to my ancestors I would feel compelled to head to Valhalla and spend some time there before moving on to christianitys'(sp.?) heaven. Though if it was how some here have described I doubt I would leave. ------------- "War is a cowardly escape from the problems of peace."--Thomas Mann 
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Posted By: TheARRGH
Date Posted: 04-Oct-2007 at 01:29
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I think of heaven as having another chance at life-possibly in another world/universe/time. and then another and another. and then more, hopefully. Life's too awesome to only have one chance at. ------------- Who is the great dragon whom the spirit will no longer call lord and god? "Thou shalt" is the name of the great dragon. But the spirit of the lion says, "I will." - Nietzsche |
Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 04-Oct-2007 at 04:48
Don't worry White Dragon I know the source so I take it with a grain of salt. I'm glad someone posted a response to that video though, it's always best to view both biases to sort out the truth. -------- Heaven is the full and utter realization of God's love, it is a place without suffering. In heaven we glorify God merely by existing there, and in return we receive the vision of his everlasting love. Therefore in heaven is not like being jacked up on drugs, nor is it sitting in choir practice all day. Heaven is merely the continuation of our current lives not the creation of a new one. ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: Adalwolf
Date Posted: 05-Oct-2007 at 06:02
So a soccer player would play soccer in heaven? ------------- Concrete is heavy; iron is hard--but the grass will prevail. Edward Abbey |
Posted By: TheARRGH
Date Posted: 05-Oct-2007 at 06:16
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If he chose to, presumably. if he didn't, maybe he could become a kung-fu champion who explored ancient ruins at the north pole and then settled down as a president. ..maybe. ------------- Who is the great dragon whom the spirit will no longer call lord and god? "Thou shalt" is the name of the great dragon. But the spirit of the lion says, "I will." - Nietzsche |
Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 05-Oct-2007 at 09:24
Not necessarily, Adalwolf. When I say heaven is a continuation of our current lives I imply a sense that we would "grow" and do other things. Think of it like a child playing with G.I. Joes, you could play with G.I. Joes as an adult however for the majority of scenarios this is seen as inappropriate and we just don't do it. Not that we couldn't do it, it's just as we mature we lose the desire to do childish things. So in heaven you would consider things like soccer as immature, and thus would have no real desire to do so. Basically what I'm getting at is that we're gonna do stuff in heaven but it's going to be different and probably better than the stuff we do now. Not to say we can't bring out the old G.I. Joes every so often though  .------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: Cezar
Date Posted: 08-Oct-2007 at 14:34
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On most religions heaven is the ultimate reward a mortal gets for being faithful while hell is the ultimate punishing ground. Now, I'm not a believer, I'm an agnostic yet I think I'm not what Christianity designates as a sinner (not a bad one anyway). So, do I get the same reward as a believer?. Or will I go to hell?
A friend of mine who is a priest (Romanian Orthodox Church) says that it is required to be forgiven before death (or immediately after I don't know the exact procedure) in order to get to heaven. Therefore hell wil be what I'll get. Yet a very bad individual (lets say a mass murderer) might go to heaven if he is forgiven before he passes out. That's kind of very not right, in my opinion. Basically, the reward of heaven is yours if you:
Well, this way, even Hitler might be found in heaven.
Will soccer be immature in hell too? Or it might be the ultimate intellectual form of confrontation?
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Posted By: TheARRGH
Date Posted: 08-Oct-2007 at 16:52
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That's why i like the pelagians... believed that you didn't necessarily need to believe in god or be a christian to get into heaven, just a good person. However, that was back when the church was having some tolerance problems and was a huge force in europe, so they kind of got squoshed. Pity, but there you go. ------------- Who is the great dragon whom the spirit will no longer call lord and god? "Thou shalt" is the name of the great dragon. But the spirit of the lion says, "I will." - Nietzsche |
Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2007 at 01:38
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What do different religions write about "Heaven"? Soccer/Football is great but are you suggesting the guy would play the game forever? ------------- What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal. Albert Pine |
Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2007 at 03:56
There is no reward or punishment, there is only judgement, but God himself has taken man's burden upon himself so we shall all be saved together.
A believe a truly good person would want to see Hitler in heaven. ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: TheARRGH
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2007 at 05:12
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So is the idea essentially "God decides-even if you supposedly did everything right" or what? And perhaps a truly good person might want to see hitler in heaven-but only if that meant he was willing to change. ------------- Who is the great dragon whom the spirit will no longer call lord and god? "Thou shalt" is the name of the great dragon. But the spirit of the lion says, "I will." - Nietzsche |
Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2007 at 09:11
No, it's just God decides.... there isn't really a right, you are either with God in the end or you are not. That is the extent of our afterlife, those with God gain eternal life, and those without God become like shadows.
Who Hitler? Or the Good Person? (rhetorical zen-like question)..... ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: TheARRGH
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2007 at 18:13
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Hitler. It'd be annoying to have him around if he wasn't trying to reform. People'd have to clean up a lot of messes. However, the good person should change too. To live is to constantly change, in a million little ways-even inanimate things like amber or diamonds change, although far less. The only unchanging thing is nonexistence, and even that changes someday. Plus, even if you're good, there is ALWAYS room for improvement. ------------- Who is the great dragon whom the spirit will no longer call lord and god? "Thou shalt" is the name of the great dragon. But the spirit of the lion says, "I will." - Nietzsche |
Posted By: Cezar
Date Posted: 17-Oct-2007 at 08:17
No reward?! God has taken the burden?! We all will be saved? Excuse me Janus but it's a little to much like nonsense propaganda. I remember the time when I was a young boy and we were lectured about the greatness of the society communism had created in our country. It's the same thing: meaningless words. Heaven and hell are reward and punishment.
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Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 17-Oct-2007 at 17:33
Only if you believe God condemns anyone to Hell. Which I believe he does not, since it would be unfair to assume that us mere mortals can know the Truth in this world, and without that we don't know God and therefore cannot join in his kingdom. If you read the Bible, good deeds don't get you into heaven, only God's will and grace can bring you there.
Let's see here, a baptized Christian who suffered from mental illness, which led to sins he is not morally responsible for, yeah I'd say he has a pretty decent shot at heaven under "procedures". ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: Cezar
Date Posted: 23-Oct-2007 at 11:18
Well, is this your personal oppinion or are this the Official Christian rules to get into heaven?
Last week on Thursday I was on a trip to Nicula monastery near Cluj Napoca. We were offered a tour of the monastery, with a monk for guide, then we were invited to a dinner. When I am in situations like these I don't start or pick up an argument regarding religon, since as a guest I consider that it would be disrepectful for my host.
Some of my coleagues though did start a discussion regarding religion, hell, heaven, who is worthy and who is not, etc. The monk (I don't know exactly his rank but he was from the top) mainly during the two hours of speech, mainly stated that:
Bassically this sums up to:
Too bad we didn't have the time to talk about other religions. *Hitler, not being a muslim, is undefined, I think.
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Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 24-Oct-2007 at 22:10
From http://www.newadvent.org - www.newadvent.org under salvation.
I don't disagree with hardly anything he says, except that I believe that muslims, pagans and the irreligious fall under the 'other Christian' category in that they have been misled and thus through no fault of their own they have chosen the wrong path, of course God will direct them to the proper path if they choose to follow him. A little of topic but I do believe that the Quran contains revealations of God's truth on the world, and that Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran and Anglicans are facets of the same religious tradition and all separations are merely political (wordly) and are united in spirit. ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: Cezar
Date Posted: 25-Oct-2007 at 08:00
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I've seen this before:Heaven=salvation and Hell=damnation. I don't mind being saved but I do mind being told that I'm saved while I'm not told that there's a threat. Is heaven like getting back home (inside your house, among your folks, warmth, love, etc.) after a really bad day at work and a car crash? |
Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 25-Oct-2007 at 08:14
Nope heaven's like getting home to your family and friends with a huge party with your favorite band doing the music, half-naked girls handing you your favorite food and drink and your favorite sports team on the television dominating their greatest rivals 200 to nil. ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: TheARRGH
Date Posted: 25-Oct-2007 at 17:03
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Sounds great but I'd prefer if heaven were like waking up in a huge hallway full of doors, being told that behind every door was another life to live if that was what I wanted, and then opening a door and having a second chance. ...humans can (sort of) make happiness. But we can't really make second chances. ------------- Who is the great dragon whom the spirit will no longer call lord and god? "Thou shalt" is the name of the great dragon. But the spirit of the lion says, "I will." - Nietzsche |
Posted By: Cezar
Date Posted: 26-Oct-2007 at 07:32
Looks like a hangover is waiting in the morning.
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Posted By: TheARRGH
Date Posted: 26-Oct-2007 at 07:43
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"wha...wha' happen? I feel...like...NRgrgrrgrgggghhhhhh...Oh jeez.." A HOLY hangover. ------------- Who is the great dragon whom the spirit will no longer call lord and god? "Thou shalt" is the name of the great dragon. But the spirit of the lion says, "I will." - Nietzsche |
Posted By: Adalwolf
Date Posted: 26-Oct-2007 at 08:19
haha, i'll have one in about ...12 hours haha! vahalla still pwns... ------------- Concrete is heavy; iron is hard--but the grass will prevail. Edward Abbey |
Posted By: TheARRGH
Date Posted: 26-Oct-2007 at 17:53
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Valhalla is certainly an entertaining interpretation of heaven. ------------- Who is the great dragon whom the spirit will no longer call lord and god? "Thou shalt" is the name of the great dragon. But the spirit of the lion says, "I will." - Nietzsche |
Posted By: Justinian
Date Posted: 26-Oct-2007 at 18:41
Very interesting.
An enlightened response, no second chances, man preaching to the choir on that one. Just have to make the best of the situation you've created for yourself, everything happens for a reason, your mistakes make up who you are etc. etc. Though I truly believe you learn from every mistake you make, whether it changes your decision making is another question. ------------- "War is a cowardly escape from the problems of peace."--Thomas Mann
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Posted By: TheARRGH
Date Posted: 26-Oct-2007 at 22:30
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It's true-mistakes make you, and I suppose you shouldn't be able to simply go back and change everything. But sometimes it seems like there's too much out there to only have one chance at finding. ------------- Who is the great dragon whom the spirit will no longer call lord and god? "Thou shalt" is the name of the great dragon. But the spirit of the lion says, "I will." - Nietzsche |
Posted By: Justinian
Date Posted: 27-Oct-2007 at 03:11
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I suppose it just makes everything that much more important, give it more meaning. ------------- "War is a cowardly escape from the problems of peace."--Thomas Mann
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Posted By: longshanks31
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2007 at 23:02
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heaven is one of two things A) a tool invented by man to keep the witless masses happy with there earthly suffering B) a pretty women and a good pint.
Mines the latter, luckily death isnt required. ------------- long live the king of bhutan |
Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 01:07
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A few more questions:
- Are all relatives going back to the beginning of humanity in Heaven?
- Are we in a spirit form or do we have a body in heaven?
- There seems to be alot of talk about the carnal pleasures men can recieve from woman in heaven, is the same applicable to woman?
- Do we reproduce? or is sex just for pleasure?
- We are advised to be faithfull lovers on Earth but it seems that some here feel that we can go wild in heaven? Do we keep our wives in heaven? what if somebody didnt have a wife?
What do different religions say about these issues? ------------- What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal. Albert Pine |
Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 03:14
Yes.
We have a perfected body in heaven.
There is no desire to engage in carnal pleasures while in heaven. Therefore there is no sexual activity in heaven, we will have moved beyond sex.
Everyone is considered married in heaven because we are all joined in spirit.
This is orthodox Christianity's take on it anyway. ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: Akolouthos
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 03:59
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You beat me to it, Janus. Oh well: I wish to second the motion.
-Akolouthos
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Posted By: Cezar
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 17:13
We are all at andropause and menopause or just androgines?
Angels seem not to be of a gender. Everybody will turn into angels?
The gender of people getting in heaven is what? A memory? A vestigial feature?
Perfected body=what? Terminator model H2000 God Pat. no.23552616 (all rights reserved - all unauthorized copy is going to hell!)
Instead of everyone being married in spirit I would just like everyone being merry in spirit
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Posted By: L'histoire17
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 17:30
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Christians believe that one must have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ to be saved. One must believe that he or she is a sinner and that Jesus died for those sins. No one is ever going to be perfect on earth, but one must try to live a moral life. As far as confession and last minute confession is concerned, it is a heart issue. If the confessor is faking it and doesn't mean it in his or her heart, he or she really doesn't believe.
The book of Revelation in the Bible gives a vibrant description of the New Heaven and New Earth.
Heaven is spending eternity with God in a perfect place without sin, sorrow, death, or sadness. (Sin caused these disasters). It's the way God intended for his children to live. Carnal pleasures are not a part of it. Because Heaven is perfect, no one will become bored of the perfection, and no one will desire these earthly pleasures. It's hard for us to fathom now on earth because we all have this sinful human nature.
"He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." (Revelation 21:4)
Jesus said, "When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven." (Mark 12:25)
All believers will be together with Jesus in Heaven.
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Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 22:28
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Well what happens to wives and husbands? if they both go to heaven according to religions won't they be together anymore?
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Posted By: Akolouthos
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 22:34
I think L'histoire's citation from Mark gives the Christian perspective on the subject. I don't know about other religions. -Akolouthos |
Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 22:43
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But if all our relatives are in heaven, what happens to wifes and husbands? does love exist there according to theology? ------------- What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal. Albert Pine |
Posted By: L'histoire17
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 23:34
Christians believe that perfect spiritual love (agape) will exist in Heaven. Everyone will love each other in this way. Husbands and wives will love each other as fellow believers. Perhaps they remember the love they shared in their lives on earth. From what I understand, there won't be sexual love (eros) in Heaven.
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Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 23:51
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Is the Orthodox Christian view of heaven different to other denominations? do they all share the same view regarding the issue you just commented on? ------------- What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal. Albert Pine |
Posted By: L'histoire17
Date Posted: 24-Nov-2007 at 05:13
| I don't know much about Orthodox Christian views. That would be worth some research. |
Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 24-Nov-2007 at 08:02
No, we just don't care about sex anymore, it's no longer important. I'm sure you have moments in your life where you aren't thinking about sex. It's like that, it "slips our mind" to even think about it.
Most certainly not, angels lack gender because they do not have physical bodies as we do. When humans die we remain as humans.
A perfected body is a body free from the contamination of sin, sickness and decay.
Love is all that exists in heaven. There is no portion of heaven that is lacking in that emotion. However there is no sexual actions. Husbands and wives remain together because they are pleased by each others company, and having shared so much in common on earth they have a stronger bond in heaven.
Um....Akolouthos could answer that although from what he implied in his reply to my post, I'd assume that Catholics and Orthodox Christians share a common view on heaven. Also for future reference for all when I refer to orthodox (lower case o) I'm referring to churches in a sense of being "not heterodox". Or for the most part the denominations of christianity that the vast majority of those who call themselves christian practice. So Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists, Presbyterians, most Baptists, etc. would be considered orthodox. But groups such as Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and Quakers would not. ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 24-Nov-2007 at 22:27
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What do other religions say about this?
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Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 02-Dec-2007 at 01:22
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A brief outline of the Islamic interpretation of heaven. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jannah - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jannah The concept of sex in heaven exists.
Is the reason for no marriage existing or sex in heaven that sex has been percieved as "depravity" if done for pleasure by the church?
What is the Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist views on heaven?
Another interesting point is that nearly every society on Earth has a concept of heaven. ------------- What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal. Albert Pine |
Posted By: Akolouthos
Date Posted: 02-Dec-2007 at 02:02
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If done solely for the purpose of pleasure, then it is a sin. Still, pleasure is one of the wonderful things about relations between a husband and a wife. I believe it doesn't exist in Heaven ("They are neither married, nor given in marriage"; apologies if my memory played me false there) is that the entire experience transcends any corporeal definition, but I will do some research here and get back with you, Bulldog. Please pardon the delay.
Oh, and the essence of what Janus said is correct re. the Orthodox point of view, as far as I know. Then again, I'm hardly a theologian.
-Akolouthos
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Posted By: Brian J Checco
Date Posted: 02-Dec-2007 at 02:45
Doesn't Valhalla sound soooooo much better than any opera house in the sky? |
Posted By: Brian J Checco
Date Posted: 02-Dec-2007 at 02:56
I'm with you there, old bean. Only, my heaven's a bit classier- beautiful women, and expensive cognac. Plenty of good books too. And I get to wear a tuxedo whenever possible. Flashy cars and good conversation don't hurt either. |
Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 02-Dec-2007 at 04:46
No of course not sex is a natural function of the human body and is not depraved at all. Sex is pleasurable because God wants us to have sex so that we can build families. There is no sex in heaven for the same reason we no longer breathe or eat or sleep in heaven. These are urges that our natural bodies need to maintain and create life. In heaven God maintains your life directly so we have no desire to eat or sleep or breathe, the same applies to sex. Could you have sex in heaven? I suppose one could the same way that a grown man could suck on a pacifier and wear diapers. However we would consider that inappropriate as we have grown out of that stage of our life. The same thing with sex in heaven, we have just grown out of the stage where we care about sex. ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |