Minoans & dolphins.
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Topic: Minoans & dolphins.
Posted By: Hellios
Subject: Minoans & dolphins.
Date Posted: 03-Oct-2006 at 00:45
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Some ancient Minoan art.
I like dolphins and these people seemed to also.
Minoan Dolphin pithos from Olous (1600 BC).
 Minoan Dolphin Fresco (1500 BC).  Anybody like?
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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 03-Oct-2006 at 09:30
actaully im a bit of fan of minion art
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Posted By: Anton
Date Posted: 03-Oct-2006 at 19:42
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I see it for the first time. It's impressive! ------------- . |
Posted By: Anton
Date Posted: 03-Oct-2006 at 19:45
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Posted By: Anton
Date Posted: 03-Oct-2006 at 19:46
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How did they get those colours??? ------------- . |
Posted By: Giannis
Date Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 05:07
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Minoans used the plant Crocus to produce ''zafora'', a kind of yellow colour. For the production of the red colour they mixed ''zafora'' with alkaline substances. -------------  Give me a place to stand and I will move the world.
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Posted By: Anton
Date Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 07:38
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And blue? ------------- . |
Posted By: Giannis
Date Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 09:37
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Blue as far as I know from Thyra (Santorini) frescos, was imported from Egypt, it could be the same consept for Minoans too. ------------- Give me a place to stand and I will move the world.
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Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 13:55
My parents just got back from there (Crete). I have a little Minotaur on my monitor.
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Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 13:57
Anton, those minoan girls u posted had cute hairstyles. Here for u:
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Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 15:07
Yes! Minoans used so much Egyptian elements. A great blend.
This looks kinda Egyptian:
 King Minos Throne (with benches for his entourage). The phoenix look cool:
 Knossos Palace today:
 And how it was:
 Very heavy Egyptian influence.
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Posted By: Anton
Date Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 17:57
Thanks, Hellios. I wish I could have more friends like you  ------------- . |
Posted By: Giannis
Date Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 01:50
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There is a small inaccuracy in one picture that you posted Helios. In Minoan art, only female deities appeared breast-naked. Both, male and female were projected always clothed, an other interested fact in minoan frescoes is that men skin is always red and women's white. ------------- Give me a place to stand and I will move the world.
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Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 05:00
Kalimera Giannis.
If you want please show me some sources about only the female dieties appearing bare-breasted, because tonight I found numerous sources about both (bare-breasted and covered breasts) being normal for Minoan women.
Minoan Men, regardless of rank or status, appeared to have favored virtual nudity. They wore belts with small cloth aprons, loin cloths and even short skirts.
Yes, I've also seen some with mens skin looking reddish, but No; not all of them. Men who spent more time in the sun must have been darker since they dressed less than women. Some Minoan men might have shared North African genes due to proximity with Egypt?
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Posted By: Giannis
Date Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 05:50
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http://www.cycladic.gr/gr_version/fresco.htm -
Goodafternoon Helios,
www.cycladic.gr/gr_version/fresco.htm
http://www.kairatos.com.gr/krokosminoikos.htm - www.kairatos.com.gr/krokosminoikos.htm
Men in Minoan art, in contrast, with classical greek, never appeared in ''frontal'' nudity.
As for the colour of the skin, I wasn't refered in reality, but in what we see in frescoes.
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Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 06-Oct-2006 at 00:17
Efxaristo for the links. Just let me know if you want the sources I spoke about (describing Minoan women as both bare & cover breasted).
Ah ok, I hadn't made that distinction (regarding male "frontal" nudity) between Minoan & Mainland art, thanks.
I think Greek artists tried to depict the realities of their societies well.
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Posted By: Giannis
Date Posted: 06-Oct-2006 at 02:22
That would be interesting!  ------------- Give me a place to stand and I will move the world.
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Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 10-Oct-2006 at 04:56
Hi Giannis,
Here's 1 of the links I had saved: http://www.annaswebart.com/culture/costhistory/minoan/index.html - http://www.annaswebart.com/culture/costhistory/minoan/index.html
I'll post the others soon.
Basilis
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Posted By: Aelfgifu
Date Posted: 10-Oct-2006 at 08:47
Until the discovery of indogo in the Americas, the only way to make a bright blue paint was to use crushed lapis lazuli (which for a long time was indeed only found in Egypt, or traded through Egypt from further east). Of course this made blue a very very expensive colour and it was only used for rich people and in palaces and temples. In the Middle Ages, manuscript illuminations with lots of blue were still prestige items. ------------- 
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Posted By: QueenCleopatra
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2006 at 08:55
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Hi Helios!
I'm currently studying the Minoans as part of my Archaeology course and I have to agree with you that some of they're are is beautiful. I especially like the Snake Goddess figurines from Knossos
 The unusual colour and delicate features show how skilled the craftsman must been.
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Posted By: Chilbudios
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2006 at 09:57
First, there were types of European and Asian indigos made from various plants.
Then, beside the ultramarine produced from lapis lazuli (which indeed was very expansive), they used azurite, a cheaper and unexotic pigment (was extracted from copper mines - some of them were in Germany, hence the name Bergblau but also azzuro d'Alemagna).
Moving in Antiquity, in Egypt besides lapis lazuli was used also an 'Egyptian blue' which was synthetised from various elements (copper compounds, sand etc.). I think the Romans call it Alexandrian Blue.
I assume cobalt could be another mineral source for blue, yet I am not certain of its usage in Europe's Antiquity or Middle Ages.
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Posted By: Aelfgifu
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2006 at 10:01
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You are probably right, I must admit I am not to sure of the origin of Idigo. But Lapis Lazuli was the only way to get a bright intense blue, both indigo and copper will only give duller darker colors.
What I was most referring to in my post was that for a long time, having lots of blue on your walls, furniture or in your books was a statussymbol. And I am pretty sure it was for the Minoans as well. -------------
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