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The Armenian Minority of Turkey

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Topic: The Armenian Minority of Turkey
Posted By: bg_turk
Subject: The Armenian Minority of Turkey
Date Posted: 22-Jun-2006 at 10:47
The BBC recently published a very interesting article about the "invisible" Armenians of Turkey.

Here is the link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/5102564.stm - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/5102564.stm


Sections that drew my attention are:


I visited Anush and her brother Vartan in a leafy middle class suburb of Istanbul.

Their apartment was typical of the area, but with the odd design twists, like knotted dried flowers on the table that reminded me of my trips to the Caucasus.

"Turks still ask me where I come from," Vartan told me, as his sister brought in the tea. "They seem to have no idea there used to be hundreds of thousands of us here."



Actually the last paragraph reflects some of my personal experiences as well. Turks from Turkey often have the misconception that only Turks live in Turkey and that Turks live only in Turkey. I have had a hard time myself trying to explain to them that I can still be Turkish even though I was born outside of Turkey. But somehow they cannot comprehend, and keep calling me and my relatives that live there Bulgarians.Angry I can only sympathise with Turkish Armenians trying to explain to these people that they can be still Armenian even though they were born in Turkey.


"We've lived with violence ever since I was born," Anush told me. "Graffiti on our churches, abuse on the streets. I still think twice in some areas before I say my name openly."

For previous generations life was even tougher.

Anush's parents barely speak Armenian, because their parents worried they would stand out and when Armenian militants began assassinating Turkish diplomats in the 1970s, Turkish Armenian families here made themselves more invisible still.

It is hardly surprising they do not normally voice an opinion on what happened in 1915.

Anush and Vartan are a rare exception and, even so, I have had to change their names.

We know exactly what happened, Vartan told me.

He said his Armenian great grandparents were forcibly deported south, accused of siding with Russian troops against the Turks. They handed their children over to Turkish neighbours for safety and never returned.

There is a similar tragedy behind every Armenian door here, but the local patriarch has banned his community from discussing it - if they want to keep their jobs in Armenian churches and schools.

"It's fear," Anush told me simply.



For as long as Turkey uses these methods to silence people who have experienced or were affected by 1915, I think the Turkish thesis will always be looked down upon with suspicion. Turkey has to be brave, and encourage even those that hold a different opinion to speak. Only truth will serve the Turkish national interest, not lies and propaganda.


As we talked into the warm evening, and glasses of tea gave way to Armenian cognac, I began to understand the price people like that choir master pay to live in peace in Turkey.

To many Armenians abroad their silence is a sort of treachery. For Anush, Vartan and the others it is about protecting a fragile peace.

But it is all built on the shakiest of foundations.

"I am positive. I do have hopes for Turkey," Anush told me as I put on my shoes to go.

"But I don't remember ever feeling truly comfortable living here. Always at the back of my mind is the thought that one day I may be forced to leave."

Turkey has a very embarrassing minority record, as exemplified by the case study of Istanbul Armenians, and it is really a shame that these people are getting alienated from their culture and language. I hope Turkey will take steps towards imrpoving the situation for Istanbul Armenians.

If there are any independent sources of violations against the Armenian minority in Turkey please provide them here. I would be very interested to read and learn more on the subject.
 
But let us try not to turn this thread into another flame war where each side spewing its propaganda. Instead it will be better if we focus on the personal experiences of Istanbul Armenians and what kind of difficulties they have to face during their every day life.



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Posted By: The Chargemaster
Date Posted: 25-Jun-2006 at 15:15
Originally posted by bg_turk

But somehow they cannot comprehend, and keep calling me and my relatives that live there Bulgarians.Angry

My feelings are not so different, when some people called some parts of the bulgarian people "macedonian and pomak Wackopeoples
Wacko".

Now i think, i know what you feel. LOL
LOL LOL



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Posted By: Tangra
Date Posted: 27-Jun-2006 at 16:16
BG_Turk
Thanks for this information. Thats another interesting thread of yours.
 
I was not aware that In Turkey the people didn't aknowledge the Turks from Bulgaria.


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HUBAVA SI MOYA GORO!


Posted By: Tangra
Date Posted: 27-Jun-2006 at 16:18
Originally posted by The Chargemaster

Originally posted by bg_turk

But somehow they cannot comprehend, and keep calling me and my relatives that live there Bulgarians.Angry

My feelings are not so different, when some people called some parts of the bulgarian people "macedonian and pomak Wackopeoples
Wacko".

Now i think, i know what you feel. LOL
LOL LOL

 
Or people from other parts of the world calling us all Gypsies LOL
 
thats even funnier given that the gypsies themselves don't want to have anything to do with any of us and have differentiated themselves as Romas
 
LOL
 
Thats why i love the Bolkans and our history and Cultures we are so unique so diverse and yet so close.
 
I feel at home in Macedonia. I feel at home in Serbia. I feel at home in Greece. I feel at home in Turkey.
 
In fact I feel at home even further away- In ItalyLOL
It's all hot boiling blood! How not love it!


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HUBAVA SI MOYA GORO!


Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 04-Aug-2013 at 14:41
They are not invisible like in past

Cripto-Armenians have started to show theirselves. "Dersin Armenians" is example. They also created their own guild
http://www.dersimermeni.com/ - http://www.dersimermeni.com/  (Turkish)

Dersim: West part of East Anatolia


Dersim Armenians at Armenian Genocide memorial in Dersim

 





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