Turkmen Carpets. Brief History.
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Topic: Turkmen Carpets. Brief History.
Posted By: Shir
Subject: Turkmen Carpets. Brief History.
Date Posted: 07-Jun-2006 at 06:48
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Turkmen carpets are the world-renowned handmade textiles of the Turkmen people. The most inspiring evidence of the fact that our rugs are a historical legacy is the " http://www.turkmencarpets-online.com/introduction_txt.html - Pazyryk rug " found in the Altay mountains and carbon-dated to have been produced as early as in the 4 B.C.E. Pazaryk has major similarities to Turkmen carpets.
Traditions of carpet-weaving have ancient history on this blessed land. An Italian traveler Marco Polo was the first to mention the Turkmen carpets in XIII century. In the 12th chapter of his well-renowned manuscripts he writes: "The finest and the most beautiful carpets are made here and rich fabric of red and other colors are woven here." Even if by the time of Marco Polo the Turkmen carpets had reached such fineness and beauty, it is not difficult to suppose that the roots go far back to the earlier period because a carpet is mainly a result of creative work of many generations of nameless weavers. In European Renaissance paintings one will be amazed at a number of Turkmen carpets. In "St John Altarpiece" by Hans Memling, we can view the archaic Turkmen Salyr (Chuval) Gol thought perhaps produced by the Turkmen weavers in Anatolia (Turkey). In "Still Life" by the same artist, one the most archaic Turkmen gols is depicted. The nomenclature for this gol is... "Memling Gol".
Carpet products such as chuvals, khorjuns, torbas (tent and saddle-bags) were intended to use for purposes of clothing, transportation of various household paraphernalia substituting camels, horses, nomad tents, wedding procession. Every day use of carpet products stipulated their form. The archaic social system of the Turkmen people is known to have been characterized by the tribal structure. So in textbooks on carpets and carpet products are named by their tribal origin. The major Turkmen tribes are Teke (Tekke), Yomut (Yomud), Arsary (Ersary), Chowdur (Choudur), Saryk (Saryq), Salyr (Salor). Origin of ornamental carpet designs has realistic basis. Reality surrounding a carpet-weaver was reflected in the carpet design: vegetation and animal kingdom, irrigated fields, etc. These designs that have preserved for centuries are of emphatic national character. Gols (Guls), carpet patterns of the central field, may be of different type. Carpet articles are closely connected with the everyday life, and this fact determined their form. One of the most typical examples is the carpet doorhanging - "ensi". Not large rectangular rug with clear-cut composition of the upper and lower sides. Ther lower band is usually wider than the upper sides. Ornamental patterns of ensi differ from the patterns of floor-coverings. Carpets are symbol of Turkmen culture in general. Each Turkmen tribe owns its own unique motifs and 5 major ones are http://www.turkmencarpets-online.com/turkmen_txt.html - depicted on our national banner . The largest collection of antique Turkmen textiles is located at the Turkmen National Carpet Museum that was opened in 1993 in Ashgabat, Turkmenistan. More than a thousand of 18th and 19th century carpets, khorjuns, chuvals, torbas are displayed. The Turkmen people boast to have woven the largest wool carpet in the world in 2001 that made it even to the Guiness Book of Records. Its area is approximately 300 sq.m. (3333 sq.f.) and weighes almost 1.5 metric tons.Although the art is ancient, it became truly popular only in the second half of the 19th century. Rugs were produced for nomadic and semi-nomadic Turkmen population. Needless to say, the Turkmen people had no contacts with the Europeans. When the first carpet exhibitions were held in Vienna and Berlin, the spectators were stunned by the original beauty of the masterpieces of yet unseen Oriental art. Generic Turkmen patterns are predominantly geometric in design. Quite many variations of the red color are characteristic of the Turkmen weaving. http://www.turkmencarpets-online.com - www.turkmencarpets-online.com |
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Posted By: gok_toruk
Date Posted: 07-Jun-2006 at 11:35
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'khosh keltyng shir qartashym. Kachannan beri bu yerge Turkmen keler diyyp kozleshyan. Kop begennym. Bu yazghy, yoneche, 'sak bol' dimek tyr ayitghan sozleryng uchun (yoksodo, hazirlik, mende Turkmen font yok eken). ------------- Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 11-Jun-2006 at 15:38
| Do you export those things? |
Posted By: Shir
Date Posted: 12-Jun-2006 at 00:51
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Yes, we do. By the way, Turkmen carpets are also known as Bukhara carpets because in the past they were sold to external markets through the modern-day Uzbek city of Bukhara. However, more and more these carpets are called Turkmen. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 12-Jun-2006 at 13:18
You are my turkmen brother...
Memnoon oldum.
How is Turkmenistan brother?
Allah seni seviyor.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 12-Jun-2006 at 13:22
| president niyazov looks like Mongolian person... |
Posted By: gok_toruk
Date Posted: 12-Jun-2006 at 13:26
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All original Turkmens are Mongoloid. There's a description, especially among Yomut tribe. People who are of a slave descent, are called 'qull' (Shir, I use 'q' instead of 'k'; because it's understood easier than 'k'); they look like more caucaid. And people who are original Turkmen (racially), are called 'igi' or 'ig' (which means 'pure'). People like President Niyazov are 'igi'. ------------- Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 12-Jun-2006 at 13:36
thanks for telling me this, teshekur barada.
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Posted By: gok_toruk
Date Posted: 12-Jun-2006 at 14:06
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How's it going arash omid? ------------- Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 12-Jun-2006 at 17:41
| I am fine, yeenam. Thank you for asking me. How is Turkmenistan? |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 00:47
Maybe niyazov is a descendant of Genghis Khan...
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Posted By: barbar
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 03:34
Genetics claims differently:
 Source: Am. J. Hum. Genet. 71:466–482, 2002
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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 04:21
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Those genetic pies are irrelevant to the actual appearance of people.. I have R1b it is the same as most Northern Europeans but I do not look like one of them.
Do you realise each section of those pies accounts as an estimate of the portion of the population with those HGs?
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Posted By: barbar
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 04:58
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They do some how related to the looks of the people, just it's Y Chromosomal (father to son) linage.
On the above picture, Hg36 seems to be related to the Aralid-Turanid-Caucasian, While Hg3 to the Pamirid-Turanid-Caucasian, and Hg10 to Tungid-Mongolic. This can explain why Turkic people in central asia have some mongolic feature, but they are mainly Turanid.
Haplogroups 12 and 16, widespread in Siberia and northern Eurasia were rare in Central Asia, with the exception of the Turkmen, among whom haplogroup12 was present with a frequency of 10%, and the Mongolians, among whom haplogroup 16 accounted for 8% of the chromosomes.
I think this can explain why some Turkman people look Mongolic.
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Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 07:03
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What was the sample size? you cannot get a general representation of an entire country by taking samples of a few people. If you took sample of people in Cornwall and Newcastle in England there would be some regional differences but it doesn't mean anything what-so-ever. ------------- “What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal.” Albert Pine |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 09:45
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I am so tired of this racial discussion. This post is about turkmenistan not race!!! ------------- |
Posted By: barbar
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 09:55
I also think that the sampling is important in these studies, not necessarily the size, but the representability. Anyway, they do can give us a general picture.
------------- Either make a history or become a history. |
Posted By: barbar
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 09:59
we are also brother. But the discussions started after your this post:
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 11:37
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barbar, where are you from? what is your nationality? ------------- |
Posted By: xi_tujue
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 11:54
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All I keep hearing is Turanid turanoid what is that. I thought turks were origenally a heatrogenous people???
BTW arsashomid mabey of topic some pics you posted of cengis han look different some with more caucasiod features?? (turkic warrior I think)
I thought that babar was uigur in one of his posts he wrote
BABAR wrote
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Posted: 2006 24 May at 9:32amPosted By: Seko
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 11:56
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How about someone provide a link to various Turkmen "Bukhara" carpets! ------------- |
Posted By: gok_toruk
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 13:09
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So, Barbar, you're trying to convince me we're Caucian originally? You haven't been here. So, don't try to teach me how Turkmens are. You can talk about mixture; but not total geographical group. Kurds mentioned in the border line of Iran (hi there Zagros) and Turkmenistan are quite different from a usual Iranian. Because of all those interaction, they have got different people who look like Northern Khorasan Turks, some of them like Afghan people (especially when it comes to compare the face). This map has just been based on paper-based research while anthropology is quite different from what you've provided. ------------- Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 13:11
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all men are created by God therefore all men are equal. Guys, please stop this nonsense racist discussion... Back to my question: So how is turkmenistan? Brother Gok toruk? ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 13:13
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Is turkmenistan a communist republic? ------------- |
Posted By: gok_toruk
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 13:21
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Well, dear 'arash omid', I've got kind of bad manner. You know, I won't pull anybody's let. That's why I don't expect other to pull my leg. But when mine is pulled, I'll do anything,..., anything to make my purpose understood. We holded conversations with Barbar in a very quite and polite environment. But he's newly started to a little bit exceed the limits. That's what I don't tolerate. Anyhow, my problem with Barbar, I'm telling this to his face, is just here and not any other thread. We're talking about Turkic dialects here and then. We've been friends for more than a year. We've supported each other many times. I won't let our friendship to break for this issue. It's natural of friends. You can't bridge the gap with someone you don't know and talk to him for days, arguing on your own point. Only with your friends and with those you've got used to, you can do. This is the case between Barbar and me. I believe in a thing. To get angry from time to time, to decharge yourself is good. But keeping the bad memories, is what I won't suggest. That's it. ------------- Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota. |
Posted By: gok_toruk
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 13:25
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Anyhow Arash Omid, I'm quite pleased with Turkmenistan. Life is quite good and relaxing, especially when it comes to my experince of being 2 years in Iran. Life is so hectic there. You know, Turkmens are a little bit introvert, but good people. I know they're just not as good mannered as Uzbeks in Central Asia. But, they're honest and reliable. Totally I should say, I like it. Kazakstan is the only country, in my idea, which is better than Turkmenistan in Central Asia. ------------- Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota. |
Posted By: gok_toruk
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 13:29
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This is my last post today, I've got to get offline. So, I can't reply you for the time being. Take good care my friend. ------------- Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 15:53
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aziz barada Gok torok: aya shoma iran dost darid? ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 15:58
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is turkmenistan a secular state? How come there are communist in turkmenistan??? ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 16:26
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it's good for me to talk with you. Would you please send some pictures of turkmenistan if you don't mind.
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Posted By: Maziar
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 17:15
Here you go. http://bukhara-carpets.com/ - http://bukhara-carpets.com/
    from left to right: Turkman Ersary, Tekke Pendi, Turkman Tekke, Turkman Yomud Ersi http://bukhara-carpets.com/carpets/turkmen/p3310253_m.jpg -
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Posted By: Shir
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2006 at 02:13
Arashomid! Turkmenistan is a secular state and we do not have communists.
You can find interesting information and facts about our country here http://countryturkmenistan.tripod.com - http://countryturkmenistan.tripod.com
By the way, Arashomid, which country are you from? ------------- TŰRKMENISTAN WE TŰRKIÝE – IKI DÖWLET, BIR MILLET! |
Posted By: Shir
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2006 at 02:17
You could view dozens of Turkmenistan pictures here: http://community.webshots.com/user/turkmenphotos - http://community.webshots.com/user/turkmenphotos
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2006 at 10:38
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aziz barada: My name is Arash therefore you should know where I from... ------------- |
Posted By: perdon
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2006 at 13:01
wahahahahahahahahahahaah !!!
big lies !!
respect !!!! MAn !!
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2006 at 13:32
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uzbek language is like russian? ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2006 at 13:35
Let me show you some pics
Those two guys share some similarities...
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Posted By: Maziar
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2006 at 13:45
@Arash Omid, a very nice poet from Siavash Kasrayi about Ararsh Kamangir you have posted, i have searched for that since forever. Thank you for sharing. But it would be nice if you could translate it to English, so everyone could read it. You know, not everyone here can read and understand Farsi.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2006 at 13:47
You like Farsi? ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2006 at 13:48
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you know it's about Arash Kamangir then you would understand it. ------------- |
Posted By: gok_toruk
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2006 at 14:21
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Welcome back here. First you thought I was chinese or something. Now, you're telling I'm not a Turkmen. You words wouldn't change the facts anyhow. We've had lots of flame wars, I'm not surprised to hear these words. You can't even remember we talked on Yahoo Messenger and not MSN. Keep this up and I'm sure you'll get somewhere. At most, members would be suspecious about me by your words, right? Then what? ------------- Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota. |
Posted By: gok_toruk
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2006 at 14:24
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By the way, be familiar with Turkmen language and then start to analyse what Turkmen language is. ------------- Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2006 at 14:31
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gok turk, i thought you are a true turkmen... ------------- |
Posted By: gok_toruk
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2006 at 14:36
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Well Arash Omid, one should be ready to hear anything in a day. What you Iranians say 'dahane mardom ra nemishavad bast' (you can't tie up people's mouth). These won't make me angry, cause they're just words. Anyhow, I forgot to answer your question. Iran was a good experince to see how different people live in various cultures, but unitedly. I suppose, you're an Azeri. My roommate was from Jolfa. I've learned a bit to talk Azeri. I understand it completely; my accents good. It's only the forms which takes my time to get used to (bir az Azeri buluram da). That's about it for the time being. Take good care and take it easy. ------------- Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota. |
Posted By: Seko
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2006 at 14:41
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Arashomid is trolling. ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2006 at 14:41
nah aziz barada:
I am not azeri. ------------- |
Posted By: gok_toruk
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2006 at 14:45
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Listen Seko, we expected you at a very earlier time to stop all those nonsense talked about Turkmenistan and its president. You're a Mod here. You could ban them, at least, for their 'trolling'. Instead of talking about Carpets, Turkmenbashi was the issue. And I see you've locked AkhalTekke. It was a new thread. I was about to translate parts from Turkmen language. In fact, it my my uncle's thesis about Turkmen horse. Rakhim Yemreli is one of the great vets in the whole Central Asia with the specialization in horses. We just need time... ------------- Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota. |
Posted By: Seko
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2006 at 14:54
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Listen my friend gok toruk. I only have so much time in the past hour to carefully read over the various violations that have recently occured. Though your posts were not any of the violations it still is a time consuming process to check everything. Arashomid has been banned. The thread on Akhal tekke has been reopned by me under the reminder that copy/pasting posts are violations and will not be tolerated. All members are asked to provide a personal commentary of opinion or conclusion next to a link when pasting articles. ------------- |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2006 at 15:14
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Perdon is a troll too, I thought he was banned long ago. ------------- |
Posted By: Maziar
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2006 at 17:21
@Gok_Toruk, but Seko has tried to stop this thread go off topic. He asked befor:
Be honest my friend, havn't we all gone off topic and feeded the troll?
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Posted By: azimuth
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2006 at 23:55
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this thread is about Turkmen Carpets and i dont see much posts about this topic.
to all members Please stick to the topic and start a new threads if you wish to start a new discussion.
if this thread is closed temorarly and will be cleaned of most off topic posts and re-opened again.
thanx.
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Posted By: Seko
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2006 at 13:57
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Reopened after a subtle cleaning. ------------- |
Posted By: Battle_Hymn
Date Posted: 21-Jun-2006 at 09:37
Gengkis Khan had Turkish warriors at his army..
Mete Khan had Mongolian Warriors at this army too
And Gengkis Khan affected from Turkish culture :)
About Turkmen carpets their carpets very famous in the world. ------------- 
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