Should Israel exist? I do not. I don't agree that Britain can just turn in over to the Jewish people because of mainly the holocaust. And too much support is being given to Israel from the U.S...

Should Israel exist is like asking if the US should exist or Iraq or the Republic of Minerva ( http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Minerva - http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Minerva ).

I believe that Israel has a right to exist, however I also believe that palestine has a right to exist. I believe that the Israeli Nazis need to hand over power to the palestinians, if they do not wish to make them an independant state then they should quit their policy of treating them as second tier citizens.

I am not one that should comment on this issue right now though.

Count me in as well...

Since now that Israel does exsist, if land is handed over to the Palestinians, I worry that hatred towards the Jews is already past negotiation, and there would be no peace ( at least not for awhile)

So what are you going to do with them?

that is true

Too late? LOL, well, don't you know that Israel have been an official nation since 1948? 

And then?

I read all the post that's why I'm saying what I'm saying. Giving back the land to Palestinian was an idea made years and years ago. It's an old news already for you to bring it up again. Both parties are now on a stage exploring the possibility of two nations existing side by side.

I beleive this is one issue we can totally agree on, also Israel is th emost expensive part of US policy.

Estonians have no right to talk about the killing of school children.  100 possible children you abort 95.  you have practically zero population growth.  those children in Israel are collateral damage unlike yours who are killed on purpose.  Germany has killed less people than you.

Originally posted by Kalevipoeg The ugly thing about the sale of weaponry from the US to Israel is the schoolkids being shot by those same guns. May the "grownups" shoot eachother to death but the kids could really be left out of it. That is one thing that makes me anti-Israel today. Going on a raid to a foreign country and then use gunships and infantry to kill school children is an offence without meaning or reason. And the US knows these events happening!!!

I agree with you but remember, Palestinains kills Israeli children too

Originally posted by Kalevipoeg The ugly thing about the sale of weaponry from the US to Israel is the schoolkids being shot by those same guns. May the "grownups" shoot eachother to death but the kids could really be left out of it. That is one thing that makes me anti-Israel today. Going on a raid to a foreign country and then use gunships and infantry to kill school children is an offence without meaning or reason. And the US knows these events happening!!!

What’s ugly is people kill not guns or bombs. If you are anti-Israel just because they are ‘killing children’ better think clearly because your belief is not accurate. Have you read about the activities of the suicide bombers? They don’t just kill innocents, they kill innocent children, men and women, old and young. And one don’t need to know where the bombs on their bodies are coming from just to say you are anti-Palestine.

Actually, the mind of anti-semitism is deeper than that.  It involves how Jews in the United States government manipulate american taxes to protect Israel.  There are many conspiracy books that confirms this.  What's worse is that these politic Jews in US lunged US into a whirlwind of hate, eventually leading up to 9.11. 

In other words, because of these determined Zionist Jews, America has paid a great prize. 

So, what has been going on afterwards?  Jewish manipulation of the media, and more hatred towards the innocent arabs- who lost land because of the Jewish invasion on their land.  Now that Iraq is being invaded (I suspect there were more reasons to invade Iraq rather than oil- because its ballistic missiles easily threatened Israel, Jewish politicians wanted Saddam out).  That has forced many nations under United States to tribute their army into a war in a land they have never heard of. 

I don't think helping Israel is the right way.  Osama Bin Laden, in his recent tape confirmed the fact- stop helping the jews.  US should not help Israel- in fact, stop every support.  Israel has violated hundreds of resolutions.  And it should be the time it pays the price.  If US had the power to violate UN to go to war, why not stop the support of another small, dry nation? 

Israeli soldiers are unhumanitarian in their way they strap palestinian boys onto their humvy vehicles as human shield use.  What kind of military are they?  They remind me of the third Reich army.

I agree with you that it’s barbaric, but then again that’s only a manifestation of a deep-seated reason why they are doing it.  So you really have to look at the big picture. 

A "few" Jews? Are you calling the MASSACRE of SIX MILLION  Jews as simple as "killing a few Jews"? Besides, I don't see any mass demonstrations asking for an independent Assyrian state, do you? But I advocate for a separate Assyrian state. Try persuading the Iraqi government to listen...hehe.

"Estonians have no right to talk about the killing of school children.  100 possible children you abort 95.  you have practically zero population growth.  those children in Israel are collateral damage unlike yours who are killed on purpose.  Germany has killed less people than you."

what are you, some sort of Nazi?  you're letting your hate of an ethnicity blind you.  i live in Louisiana and there's nowhere near that much racism.  that's in the NE.  there's almost no Jewish Congressmen/Congresswomen.  you have no idea what you're talking about.  Saddam was completely insane.  he was a threat to everyone.

Actually estonia will have a population of 860,000 in 50 years, although this is a huge decrease from their current 1.3 million citizens.

Source: http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/ipc/idbagg - http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/ipc/idbagg

Also I don't think estonians are any more willing to abort than any other nation.

Please remember that this is a history forum for discussion (not argument) about subjects of historical interest. While many topics - especially in modern history - cross over into the discussion of politics, which can lead to spirited and passionate discussion - it is not necessary to allow tempers to get in the way of rational discussion. 

Please maintain a civil tone, refrain from posting racist rhetoric and please also refrain from posting unsubstantiated "facts" that are insulting to an entire group, race or nation. 

Lets keep to the topic at hand.

Sorry if I offended anyone   I wanted to provide another perspective to this issue and it ended up offensive....

pardon me again

I agree that Israel has the right to exist as much as Assyria (or some sort of Christian Arab homeland), because Assyria had a rich history during antiquity and some influence later on and Kurdistan, because the Kurds are still concentrated in Northern Iraq and South-Eastern Turkey.

We'd have Iraq though.

The Jews are rich and powerful today in US society and they are certainly powerful enough to affect US policy on Israel. They certainly deserve to have a country of their own but it would be better if things could work out better on a fair basis. But the world is never fair. Whoever is stronger has a say on regional matters. The US could send troops to Iraq or Afganistan but President Bush has to have lunch conference with President Wu with smiles and business deals.

To me, both China and the US are great countries. The US should stay out of China because it means so much to all Chinese. China could on the other hand assist the US to fight the war on terrorism and agree with its policies as long as they are fair.

Yeah, exactly.  Israel is not necessary to America's foreign policy any longer, they must be cast off so better relations can be forged with the more influential and economically important Arabs.

Israel has an insanely good air force.  it may be samll but it kicks serious butt.

How long did the Jewish massacre last for. Not very long. How long has the massacre agianst Assyrians lasted. More then 500 years till today.  In averge every 100 years Assyrians go through 1 genocide. In the last 500 years Assyrians have been massacured and still are by Arabs, Kurds, Turks and Persians.  In the 1850's more then 50 Million Assyrians were killed by Kurds alone. We are one of the oldest nationalitys in the world and yet we are so little.  We are older then Egyptions Indians and Chinese.  In 1915 the turks wipped out 2/3 of the Assyrian population. They would off killed more but the other 1/3 ran away.  Thousands off villiges were wiped out by the Turks and Kurds. What Kurds claim is the heart of Kurdistan belonged to assyrian who were killed by the turks.  Still today in Iraq we are being killed for our religion and ethnicity. We are denied our ethnicity in the middle east, istead we are called "Christian Kurds" or even "Christian Arabs".  Jews only went through one massacure for a short time and only 6 million died. That is nothing compared to how many assyrians have died.  Our history is greater then the jews, we have been around longer then the jews. The jews even origiinated from assyrians, Abraham left Ur of the Chaldeans. Chaldeans are Assyrians of Babylon. How is it that the jews get a country and Assyrians don't, even though assyrians have suffered more. One word can descripe it all "Money". Being cheap pays off.

"How long did the Jewish massacre last for. Not very long."

what!?!  the Jews have been killed since the Romans became Christians.  and it probably went on before that.  Babylon and Assyria both conquered and killed many Jews.  even in the 1800s they were killed during pograms in Russia.  that's why so many went to America.  they've also been treated horribly at the hands of the Catholic church.

Ahem...what part of Assyrian culture is still Assyrian? Do you guys study the Assyrian language, culture, history etc? Is the Assyrian language still in use?

Sorry if the questions are a bit imposing. But you claimed that Assyrians are older than Chinese, Egyptians and Indians. So I would like to see more proof on this.

Yes Assyrians study the Assyrian lauguage, have thier own culture, and have thier own history.  If you have never heard of Assyrian history then you are uneducated. We were the first in the world to create an empire. 

Our lauguage is Aramaic (aka Syriac) the lauguage Jesus Christ spoke.  And to your last question, yes the Assyrian lauguage is still alive. Mnay people believe aramiac is dead but it is not.  It is spoken in our homes and churches still today.

So how did the Assyrian empire collapse? How did the Chaldeans overtook you guys and then only to be replaced by the Persians?

It is clear that the lands Assyria held onto are no longer Assyrians. It is very sad to see a once mighty Empire crumble into a small population throughout thousands of years of history who don't even have their own state and not even their own religion (I consider Christianity a foreign religion to the Assyrians). I'm sorry. But I'm uneducated and can only make uneducated comments.

why should any country or people be given back the land if it has been lost or taken from them some time ago, in my opinion israel is like if the american indians were handed back over the US because how the were treated and are still being treated  the us support of israel is the cause of anti-american sentiment through out the world

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