.: Afghan Ottoman War 1726 :.
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Topic: .: Afghan Ottoman War 1726 :.
Posted By: AFG-PaShTuN
Subject: .: Afghan Ottoman War 1726 :.
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2006 at 09:46
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Salaamoona, I surfed through the net but found no major source on this War, i wonder why they would'nt mention such a big event in the history of the World, particularly of Asia. Do any of you Turks of Turkey know/heard of this War? It took place in 1726, when Iran was ruled by the Afghan Tribe of Hotak, and was at that time under the rule of Shah Ashraf Afghan Hotaki. The exact date of the war is, 8th of November 1726. The Turkish Army under Ahmad Pasha overnumbered the Afghans, said to be around 200 000, whilst Afghans only numbered at 40 000. Almost 30 000 Ottoman soldiers had died in this war against the Afghans, the toll on Afghan side was very low. I'll post more later about this War but first i want to know what my Turk brothers know about this. Manana [Thanks] ------------- 
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Posted By: Jagatai Khan
Date Posted: 18-Mar-2006 at 12:48
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Well, if there were such a big battle and so much losses, we would have heard about it. ------------- |
Posted By: AFG-PaShTuN
Date Posted: 18-Mar-2006 at 22:31
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Well, that's a shame. Maybe Turkey only likes to see people know about their victories, and not defeats.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 19-Mar-2006 at 00:56
| bacha can you seed me some info about this. I can hardly find any info on Shah Mahmud Hotak. |
Posted By: merced12
Date Posted: 19-Mar-2006 at 05:13
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but icant find anything about this war in internet. do u give me some source? ------------- http://www.turks.org.uk/ - http://www.turks.org.uk/ 16th century world; Ottomans all Roman orients Safavids in Persia Babur in india `azerbaycan bayragini karabagdan asacagim`` |
Posted By: Evrenosgazi
Date Posted: 19-Mar-2006 at 06:24
Ottoman army cant be 200000 in that era and in the Iranian region. 40000 is also to much for Afghans. Ottoman army was superior to afghans in quality. You cant compare them
Secondly the afshars(Turkomans) defeated afghans, and wiped them out Third dont try to add victories to your history |
Posted By: Evrenosgazi
Date Posted: 19-Mar-2006 at 06:27
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Posted By: oslonor
Date Posted: 21-Mar-2006 at 11:06
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This is a very interesting event the war between Afghans and Ottomans. My blog also deals with Afghans destroying Saffavids dynasty in Persia in 1722. Link below on the Rise of Afghan Empire:
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Posted By: malizai_
Date Posted: 21-Mar-2006 at 11:33
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that is pretty true, turks were seen to some extent as patrons of the moslem faith. If this incident does it exist, if, then it was probably nothing more than a skirmish. Afghans, in particular pashtuns and baloch have gladly served under turkic leaders, too many to mention.
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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 21-Mar-2006 at 11:57
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Apparently not Nader Shah though. ------------- |
Posted By: AFG-PaShTuN
Date Posted: 21-Mar-2006 at 21:35
I'm soooooooooooooo much pissed off right now! i typed up like a whole piece of article but it disappeared! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaa bloody stupid piece of computer!  -------------
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Posted By: AFG-PaShTuN
Date Posted: 21-Mar-2006 at 21:35
I will reply later when i'm good mode. 
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Posted By: Afghanan
Date Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 22:46
This is very interesting whether which side won. Also I would like to know more information about Aziz Khan e Afghan who ruled Azerbaijan after Nader Afshari was murdered by the Qezelbash. ------------- The perceptive man is he who knows about himself, for in self-knowledge and insight lays knowledge of the holiest. ~ Khushal Khan Khattak |
Posted By: Gharanai
Date Posted: 15-Apr-2006 at 14:22
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Well, Even when Afghanistan was the second largest Muslim Nation after Ottomans in 18th century under the command of Ahmad Shah Baba, there was a cordial relation between them and over years Afghans contributed money and man power to Ottomans during their campaigns over non-muslims (or the call of Jihad). So dear please do add more information on this as you come up with some.
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Posted By: AFG-PaShTuN
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2006 at 10:45
Indeed it is, i found it really interesting, because i think it was the first time Afghans engaged in War against the Ottomans. I am posting some stuff about the war now, Insh'Allah, next time i'll make a in depth mention of Aziz Khan e Afghan. -------------
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Posted By: AFG-PaShTuN
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2006 at 10:48
Manana Wrora, i agree, us Afghans and Turks have always been close together, i don't recall any major war taking place between us. If fact, in times of war, we aided them, and they aided us. -------------
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Posted By: AFG-PaShTuN
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2006 at 10:50
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This is from a book i got, i tried my best to translate it into fair and understandable English. This is not all of it, i will post the rest when i am done with the translation. ---------------------------------- ..........June 1726, when Shah Ashraf The Great returned from a visit to another city, he received a message from the Ottoman ruler that he either hands Sultan Hussein [former Prince of Iran] over to them, or be ready for a war. Soon after that, an envoy arrived at his palace, requesting the release of Abdul Baqi Khan, Shah of Kirman, and his family. Shah Ashraf was angered by this, he ordered the beheading of three elderly men from the imprisioned family, and sent their heads to the ruler of Ottoman Empire, with a message: "I do whatever i desire with my subjects, and i do not like the interference of the aliens." This made the path to the war even easier. In return, the Shah of Ottoman Empire sent this message: " Shah Ashraf, you better go and surrender yourself to Ahmad Pasha, and the Shah of Osmania. The Shah of Osmania may give you the governership of Iran for the sake of being a Sunni. You may keep all your conquered and to-be-conquered areas as yours, but you should first make your surrender in no time. You may also praise in the name of the Ottoman Sultan, and the coins be made in their name." Shah Ashraf's reply: "If the Sultan of Ottoman Empire does not wish to recognize the treaties signed during the rule of Safavid Empire/Emperors, i as a Sultan with all my power, will protect my conquered lands with my own blood." 8th November, 1726, the war between the Afghans and the Ottomans begun. Ahmad Pasha, governor of Turkey and a General had over 200, 000 soldiers under his command, Shah Ashraf had organised an army of 40,000 Afghans less the a quarter of the total Ottoman army. Shah Ashraf's army defeated and killed an estimated 30,000 Ottoman soldiers, and captured 46 canons, three flags and other weaponry, the Turks had faced a harsh defeat. On the 18th of November, 1726, people from all over Iran, specially from Isfahan had come together for the celebration of the victory of the Afghan Shah Ashraf over the Ottomans. When Shah Ashraf had given a good lesson to the Ottoman Empire, the Russians had advanced South into Iran from the North, a lesson for them was necessary too. -------------
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Posted By: Gharanai
Date Posted: 30-Apr-2006 at 18:26
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Very interesting gran woror AFG-PaShTuN. Wish to see the rest part soon, it really is something that I never knew in past so thanks alot for sharing it. -------------
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Posted By: derjagger
Date Posted: 04-May-2006 at 15:55
| Yes.I know that war.Only war that can be remembered with shame. Ottomans attacked Iran bacause they were in chaos. |
Posted By: Afghanan
Date Posted: 08-May-2006 at 17:56
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This is great information but unfortunately you have not given the source. ------------- The perceptive man is he who knows about himself, for in self-knowledge and insight lays knowledge of the holiest. ~ Khushal Khan Khattak |
Posted By: AFG-PaShTuN
Date Posted: 30-Jun-2007 at 07:13
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Solomeena! Derjagger, nice to hear that, at least one of you know that it did take place, i asked my Turkish mates and they don't know if they've ever engaged in any war with the Afghans. :: Afghanan Bro i have been busy with studies and didn't get time to gather the sources and other related info, and now that i got time i don't have the book, some friend borrowed it off me and hasn't returned it yet. :S -------------
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Posted By: Afghanan
Date Posted: 30-Jun-2007 at 08:24
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Its not the first time Afghans have fought Turks or Turkic peoples. Afghans did fight against the Mongols, the Moghuls, the Karakhanids under Mahmud Ghaznavi. ------------- The perceptive man is he who knows about himself, for in self-knowledge and insight lays knowledge of the holiest. ~ Khushal Khan Khattak |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2007 at 08:32
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İf there was a Big battle like this,we must be heard of it.
I will search it on wiki ------------- |
Posted By: Kerimoglu
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2007 at 16:33
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think it was pretty much between Nadir and Afghans, rather than ottomans, coze those times actually Nadir was the leader of Iran, As well as Azerbaijan ------------- History is a farm. Nations are farmers. What they planted before will show what is going to grow tomorrow! |
Posted By: Afghanan
Date Posted: 03-Jul-2007 at 13:14
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There was an Afghan general who ruled Azerbaijan too after Nadir Afshari's demise.
------------- The perceptive man is he who knows about himself, for in self-knowledge and insight lays knowledge of the holiest. ~ Khushal Khan Khattak |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 05-Jul-2007 at 03:35
I couldn't find a battle like this... ------------- |
Posted By: erkut
Date Posted: 05-Jul-2007 at 13:26
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Well http://www.allempires.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1797&FID=13 - AFG-PaShTuN we know that war, but as a Turkish-İranian war not as a Turk-Afghan war. ------------- |
Posted By: Afghanan
Date Posted: 05-Jul-2007 at 20:58
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Yeah, Afghans were present in that war against the Ottomans under the Afshari.
They used Afghan jezail rifle shooters and Cameleers with big guns, ,both of which were essential to his army. And ofcourse, he had Afghan generals in his army. ------------- The perceptive man is he who knows about himself, for in self-knowledge and insight lays knowledge of the holiest. ~ Khushal Khan Khattak |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 06-Jul-2007 at 01:43
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Well ı found the information at least:
It was fought at a place named Andijân (probably not the same place at Ferghâna). The Ottoman commander was Ahmed Pasha while the Iranian Afghan army was commanded by Ashraf Khân.
The battle lasted for two days. The Ottomans had more advantages at the beginning and it looked as if the Afghans were going to lose. But Ashraf Khân sent secret messengers to clan troops inside the Ottoman army, telling them that if they switched sides, he would give them independent states to every clan. In the second day of the battle, the clan warriors of the Ottoman army switched sides, joining the Afghan army. The Ottoman army was defeated soon, withdrawing to Hamadân while leaving it's heavy cannons behind. But the numbers you guys said are untrue  .------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 06-Jul-2007 at 23:05
| sorry but since 1639 Kasr-i Şirin iranian border changed just slightly it is almost the same from that time may be it wasn't big enough to change the borders of ottoman. i don't think that we know only the victories of ottoman or the turks.we are governed really bad for the last 3 centuries by ottoman that's why we had also great defeats but i have never heard of it.Is this battle have a name? |
Posted By: Kerimoglu
Date Posted: 07-Jul-2007 at 02:13
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Afghanan, after NAdir there was not any single person who ruled Iran, which was divided to more than 40 small provinces on their own. But there were some Iran Afghan wars, not Ottoman Afghan wars. In times of Turkish Saffavids (before Abbas 1st) you may count them as Ottomans. ------------- History is a farm. Nations are farmers. What they planted before will show what is going to grow tomorrow! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 07-Jul-2007 at 02:35
Did you read my post?There was Afghan-Ottoman War.Battle of Andijan ------------- |