Ottoman Power

Originally posted by Christscrusader What proof do you have that the Greeks are more Lombard"ish"? Of course there have been miragtions, but more than the Ancient Greeks themselves? the mainland of Greece was lost and regained alot during the Byzantine Empires time, and was never really lost up until the end. THe Lombards did not control the Greek Penninsula for very long, and a small population settled there. Of course present day greeks are mixed a bit, but would you then consider them a slavic or germandic people? I dont think i agree with that.

Unsettling fact is that most of present day Europeans came from somewhere else in the beginning of first millenium CE. Europe was able to reconnect to Greek and Roman antique cultures and we can all feel descendants of these cultures.

Proof of what I am saying is that most of people living in Italy or Greece do not match physical descriptions of Romans or Greeks of Antiquity. Longobards were Germanic tribe that overran both Greece and Italy. What was Northern Greece was overran by Slavs. These were migrations I am familiar with, there may been others.
There are some enclaves in Greece and, suprisingly, in Georgia in which one may find people more directly related to Ancient Greeks. But these are really small minority.
There is a dark side to these claims as well. History was abused in Europe to justify a lot of nasty behavior. Just take look at Yougoslavia.


It could be interesting to open discussion just focusing on migration of various groups.

Well, this is interesting... this thread is still
alive   

And about my claim, you can all forget about it, I don't
know what I must have been smoking when I wrote that   

Originally posted by MixcoatlToltecahtecuhtli It is complete nonsense for any ethnic group to say they've descended from a people that lived 2000 years ago. Since then so many peoples have migrated, occupied other people's regions, interbred with other, etc. a people can't claim heritage (especially not sole heritage) on "Ancient Greeks", "Ancient Macedonians", "Romans" or "Byzantines".

I disagree. There is proof.
For example, there is genetic proof that Assyrians of today are ethnically distinct from all other inhabitants of the middle east today. To add to that, the empire was multi-ethnic before it collapsed in 612 bc. Within the timeframe of 2617 years there is also archaeological proof with documents referring to Assyrians- bleh I have no time to finish this with all the sources included. Just take my word for it.
there:
http://aanf.org/America/assyrians/assyrian_continuity.htm
It is so much easier to disprove continuity than it is to prove. But when there is proof of continuity it is much more convincing.
I hate it when someone tells me I don't exist. And I bet Greeks, Macedonians, and Romans would feel the same way.

Wow, this is way off topic.

no racial pureness, just not as much mixing as believed prehaps.

for?

Not racially pure, but ethnically distinct.

Jelous?

Edited by Christscrusader