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Iranian41ife
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Topic: Who do turks consider closer Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 14:38 |
Originally posted by yazzmode621
By the way, arent' turks a mixture of Aryan and Mongolian races? Doesnt that make them part Iranian(Aryan)?
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well, certainly turkic people and iranic peoples have mixed in the past, the mogul empire was one of the so called turco persian empires for example.
but origionally, iranic and turkics are different ethnically.
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Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 16:43 |
Turkic peoples = Iranian / Mongolian
Turks of Turkey = Anatolian with a pinch of Turkic contribution
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Iranian41ife
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Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 17:58 |
Originally posted by Herschel
Turkic peoples = Iranian / Mongolian
Turks of Turkey = Anatolian with a pinch of Turkic contribution
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no, iranians and mongols are not turkic people.
iranians are indo europeans.
mongols are from the same ethnic branch as turkic peoples, altaic, but they are not turkic.
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Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 19:23 |
yakuts are closer to turks.
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Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 19:37 |
Originally posted by Iranian41ife
Originally posted by Herschel
Turkic peoples = Iranian / Mongolian
Turks of Turkey = Anatolian with a pinch of Turkic contribution
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no, iranians and mongols are not turkic people.
iranians are indo europeans.
mongols are from the same ethnic branch as turkic peoples, altaic, but they are not turkic.
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I think he meant a mixture.
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erci
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Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 19:56 |
Originally posted by Herschel
Turkic peoples = Iranian / Mongolian
Turks of Turkey = Anatolian with a pinch of Turkic contribution
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"When one hears such music, what can one say, but .... Salieri?"
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Prince of Persia 2
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Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 20:10 |
250 Gram Turkic =You should heat 500 Gram
Yakuts75%mongol20%Indo-european5% then add some Salt and pepper. add
three eggs and mix. next put it in central asia oven for 1000 years. Your race is ready
No offense
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erci
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Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 21:10 |
Should I give the recipe for iranian roast? It's a little spicy tho, I don't recommend but it's your call
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Posted: 26-Apr-2006 at 00:17 |
of the topic: oh man,hahaha, please define the Italians,gime the recepie,hahahaha
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Posted: 27-Apr-2006 at 11:36 |
Well, the topic is not about construction work and I'm not Turkish; nor Turk.... so your words has nothing to do with me.
I should say, especially to Tangriberdi that linguistically Hungarians are so close to Altaic languages including Turkic. Lots of common things can be found among words and grammer of both languages. You, being a Turkmen, are close to people like Yakut or Mongols; but are they Moslem? Do Mongols speak Turkmen?
Just a few pages of any historical documentation about this link and you'll know everything about what we're talking about.
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Posted: 28-Apr-2006 at 09:34 |
Originally posted by Herschel
Turkic peoples = Iranian / MongolianTurks of Turkey = Anatolian with a pinch of Turkic contribution
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Pure ignorance...
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Posted: 28-Apr-2006 at 12:54 |
Turkic peoples = Iranian / Mongolian |
It is a wrong assumption, since the proto-Turks such as Xiong-nu (Huns), Dingling etc. have existed long before the eastern Mongol tribes who spoke a different Altaic language unified under the name of "Mongol" and under a common dialect. And there's no proof of Mongolians and Turks being from the same origin either, actually Mongols are thought to immigrate to C.A. from the west of Manchuria, and Turks inhabiting the region around Altai and Tenri Mountains, Central Asia.
But I agree that Turks had IE influence long before their expansion to west. For examples, the Sakas were a tribal confederation like Gauls, altough they had various ethnicities in them such as Turkic tribes. The tombs in Turfan region also prove that Turks, actually western Turkic people, have mixed with IEs in Central Asia before the Huns. And the vice versa. I don't think the IEs such as ancestoral Tajiks, Khorasanis or Sogdians looked different from modern Uzbegs or Turkmens. Eastern IEs (Iranians mainly) have always had Turkic admixture definately. Today, Afghans and Tajiks are fine examples of this intermixing.
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I think people may belong different races and it doesn't matter much for me. Admixture means richness. And many nations of the Middle East, Iranians, Azeris, Turks, Syrians, Armenians etc. are all considered millioners by ethnic admixture. But if we are to create recipes out of these various ethnic compounds, Iranians would definately have a taste of rich Chinese cuisine...
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Asli'mi el almis, harem diyorlar.
Hastayim, derdime verem diyorlar,
Marasli Seyhoglu Satilmis'im ben.
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Posted: 29-Apr-2006 at 19:59 |
In my opinion the majority of turks not counting kurds are Turanian and i have heard Turanians are Aryans so i think they are closer to Iranians.
But alot of people on the west coast of Turkey really see themselves as close to Greeks. When they go fishing they have Greek flags on thier boats.
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Iranian41ife
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Posted: 29-Apr-2006 at 20:04 |
Originally posted by kingofmazanderan
In my opinion the majority of turks not counting kurds are Turanian and i have heard Turanians are Aryans so i think they are closer to Iranians.
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well, going into the whole turan issue is even more confusing. there are those that say turanians were turkic and there are those that say turanians were iranic.
the word turan itself is an iranic word which was later adopted by pan turkics. look at feramez's signature for an example. that is contradictory because the turks are using an iranic word to symbolise "their" homeland.
so the whole turan thing is confusing, and that is why i never use it, i just say turkic.
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Posted: 25-May-2006 at 12:09 |
Both & none
at some point
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I rather be a nomadic barbarian than a sedentary savage
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Posted: 31-May-2006 at 13:33 |
Originally posted by strategos
We must not also forget Turkey is muslim as I said, giving them more cultural ties to the Middle East, which I believe Turkey is a middle eastern country. And since Greece is a european country, Turks will feel more "realted" towards other Middle eastern countries because of common religion, culture, and historic ties. |
I disagree, usually when people think of Turk they think Greek and other way around, we have some of the same things like food and stuff and land that Greeks had, and culturlly Greeks have some same things as middleeast. Greece may be in Europe but its only a continent
Greek culture is/was in Asia as well. and parts of greek islands is in and border the middleeast and then theres cyprus which has Greeks. Turks are our brothers and sisters besides now anyway. We had history!
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