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    Posted: 22-Jul-2005 at 18:03
The problems of China is that it has too many indigenous fighter programs right now and only a few are bearing fruit as of today. The primary ones are:

1.  J-10A "Vanguard" is a fairly modern 4th generation canard-delta fighter bomber similar to the cancelled Israeli Lavi but is comparable to the American F-16C/D and F/A-18C/D.  Already in serial production, 3 regiments deployed.

2.  FC-1 "thunder(pakistani)" "valiant dragon(chinese)" it is a entry level 4th generation light fighter in collaboration with Pakistan, it is solely for export and is on prototype #4.  Basically a fighter with 75% the capability and50% the price of a F-16C/D.

3.  JH-7A "Flying Leopard"  it is a modern supersonic strike aircraft and is comparable to the British Tornado or Jaguar except with more advanced avionics.  It is in service with around 56 deployed adjacent to Taiwan.

4.  J-11B "Flanker" it is the domestice upgraded version of the Russian Su-27SK with indigenous avionics, turbofan, and armament.  Several regiments in service.

5.  J-12 "???" it is a stealthy fighter bomber to counter the threat of American F/A-22s, still on the drawing board.

I think if they can pool the expertise and the funding of Chengdu and Shenyang aircraft company than they could've had a mass produced modern fighter in service already.
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Posts: 547 		  Quote JiNanRen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Jul-2005 at 18:08
and to rebound back to topic, i think the J-10 and the FC-1 are both seriously considered by the IRIAF and Iran along with Pakistan could be the first customers.
Originally posted by Zagros Purya

hmm, does China have any indigenous fighter/bombers in teh pipeline? I am really surprised that nothing prominent has yet emerged. Correct me if I am wrong.

Personally I think that Iran, Russia, China and India as well as the Central Asian Republics should form a new Axis to balance the flagrant Western exploitation of the world.



Thats why there is SCO but its unity is questionable.
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Posts: 8792 		  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Jul-2005 at 18:14

J-10a, JH-7A and the FC-1 caught my eye.

The real way for them to prove their mettle would be in combat.  But I am glad to see China has some advanced programs.

The SCO, should solidify a comprehensive constitution.
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Posts: 547 		  Quote JiNanRen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Jul-2005 at 18:22
the real daggar for the indigenous programs are the Russian imported  Su-27SKs, Su-30MKKs and MK2s.  Although they are advanced, inducted in large numbers fairly quickly and have already shifted the balanced of airpower in East Asian they also destroyed the prospects of a rising Chinese military aviation industry.
The J-11 program is like a throwback of the J-7 and MiG-21 of the 60s, its really sad to see how the top brass of the PLAAF has no confidence in China's own domestic designs.
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Posts: 28 		  Quote farohar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jul-2005 at 05:26

Just about Purya's axis idea that JiNanRen pointed out as the SCO, I don't think it wise to trust the Russian government, I think it'd be good for a Iran, Central Asia, China alliance though...

And while I'm talking about Iranian Alliances... theres this other forum about Iranian politics (they're anti-IRI), and I was reading this guys thread and he thinks that we should ally with India and Israel against "Pan-Arabism" and the Arab states or sumthing along those lines, I don't really agree and thought I'd ask to see what other ppl think

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Posts: 8792 		  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jul-2005 at 05:57

Iran already has some sort of alliance with India in case of a war with Pakistan.

I quite like Russia on the international front - Israel is not to be trusted at all they have a proven record of stabbing allies in the back. And I do not think Iran needs other countries to counter "the [very minmal] Arab threat".
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Posts: 547 		  Quote JiNanRen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jul-2005 at 11:32
I don't know about the Iran-Indian alliance because Pakistan is the most loyal ally China has right now and Hu Jintao would not want Iran be an enemy if God forbid war ever break out in the Indian Subcontinent.
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In the case of war between India and Pakistan, Iran would allow Indians access to its Eastern bases to attack Pakistan from.  I think this just reinforces peace and forces Islamabad to scale down its involvement in stimulating unrest in Indian Kashmir. Pakistan was readily arming them and allowing foreign terrorists through to cause trouble.
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What about the just signed U.S.- Indian defense agreement?
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Posts: 8792 		  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jul-2005 at 18:28

That is aimed at curbing China, right?
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Most definitely.
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Well, it seems that the US is more afraid of any unity between these two Asian juggernaughts and is striving to cause tension between them and in so doing stifling the sort of co-operation which leads to real power like that seen between the nations of the West, an economic hegemony over the world which makes the rich richer and keeps the poor poor.

Are there any potential areas of dispute between India and China?
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Yeah, lots.  The Indians and Chinese fought a short war in the 1960's and tend to distrust one another because of issues relating to border disputes.  The Chinese are also allies with India's archenemy Pakistan.  Anyone who hates Beijing has a friend in New Dehli. 

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I have done some reading about the Iranian Imperial Air Force back before the 1979 revalution.  The Iranians were constantly buying stuff from the U.S. and just before the revalution i read they were gonna buy a whole bunch of F-14 tomcats.  Anyway i was wondering if anyone knows if the Iranian  airforce is weeker now then it was during the late 70's. 

My personal educated guess is that they got some what weeker.  Fighter planes are hard to maintain and need parts replaced all the time.  When the shaw was around these parts were bought from the western countries.  After the revolution i think these parts were not available very much or at all.  When parts arnt available many countrys (ex Iraq ) take parts off of  one plain and use it on another ( i believe this is called Canibilizing planes).  So my guess is that the Iranian airforce does not have as many fighter planes as they did during the late 70's.  Does anyone have any information on this?
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Posts: 8792 		  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Sep-2005 at 16:27

Iran got 80 or so Tomcats - Iranian fighters were shooting down Iraqi fighters 5:1 in dog fights that is why the Iraqis resorted to bombing civilian targets, because their planes were dropping like flies.

I remember the alerts on radio then seeing them fly over as they came from over the border to bomb schools and hospitals.
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If anyone needs info. about Imperial Iranian Air Force Check this:
http://iiaf.net/

even Tomcats Serials numbers are Availble:
http://iiaf.net/aircraft/jetfighters/F14/f14.html

The first and only country to receive F-14 Tomcat was, The Nirouyeh Havaiyeh Shahanshahiye Iran, or Imperial Iranian Air Force.

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