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Turkish Coffee; from to Cappuccino to Croissant

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    Posted: 26-Jun-2005 at 13:41
Milk adds body, makes it more filling. The whole idea of the tradition of English Afternoon tea is that you have a cup or two of tea along with some scones or cake or something, but not too much, and that acts as a filler between lunch and supper.

I suppose you could compare it to drinking a pint of guinness as opposed to drinking a pint of pale lager beer. The guiness fills you up more.

At least thats my take on it, with delicate teas it does affect the flavour, but strong tea was made for milk, as was Indian spice tea IMHO.
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  Quote Menippos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jun-2005 at 13:57

Regarding Guiness I am in full agreement. Although Kilkenny does it for me too.

But perhaps I am a guy of pure flavours, as I prefer my coffee and tea straight, and sometimes without sugar too.

However, I stand persuaded, because taste is a matter of ...taste.

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Yes milk adds body. It would probably be more accurate to say that ity changes the flavour, rather than reduces it. Essentially tea-with-milk is a different drink for a different purpose that tea-without-milk.

I never put milk in China tea (favourite kind: Lapsang Souchong) or specially flavoured teas like Earl Grey, but always in what I think of as 'mainstream tea' - i.e. what I drink for breakfast and at teatime, when I get the luxury of afternoon tea.

More delicate teas are for drinking milkless with main meals (oriental) and on their own when it's hot.

I wonder why teabags are commonplace but instant tea a commercial failure, whereas it seems to be the other way around with coffee?

 

 

 

 

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Instant coffee isn't a big hit in all countries, for example in the Netherlands i was under the impression that proper coffee was the norm, where as instant was for very poor students, or for you went camping in uncivilised countries where there was no garentee that the locals would have coffee

There are two main types of coffee plant, Arabica and Robusta.
Robusta has a higher caffeine content and is a more versitile plant for growing (it will grow where Arabic will not), but is generaly considered to be inferrior for flavour (its more bitter and acidic)
Instant coffee tends to be heavy on the Robusta sort, being cheap to grow, and giving people their caffeine hit, so the theory is that where instant coffee is most popular, is where people have never really learned to appreciate proper coffee.

In the UK instant, or as i prefer to call it, fake coffee is the norm, and many visitors to the UK often complain about the poor quality of coffee here.
There are a coffeeshops that specialise in good coffee, but your typical outlet serves coffee that leaves much to be desired for.

The British preference for instant coffee goes back to WWII, when tea was in short supply, people turned to the instant coffee that was shipped over for the American GIs stationed here, after the way and after the end of rationing, people still drunk it and it became accepted as standard coffee.
Also it was quick and convenient, where as brewing proper coffee was deemed needlessly time consuming.
As such coffee machines are a novelty in the UK, as are electric coffee grinders, and are typicly much more expensive here than on the continent, but things do seem to be changing, and Douwe Egberts and Philips have teamed up together for what looks like a second Dutch attempt to corner the UK coffee market by introducing coffee bags and special but easy to use machine with which to use those coffee bags in.
Don't know how successfull the are, but who knows.
I predict that in the future Britain's tast in coffee will improve, as will its appreciation of a wider variety of teas.

Personaly i make my own coffee with a French Press, preferably with pre-ground Java beans.
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Instant coffee was the rule in Mexico too, at least it was ten years ago.

I came back to the San Francisco Bay Area to find it in the middle of its big coffee house revival. Nationally, Starbucks was responsible for re-introducing the expresso and the coffee-house experience back to Americans.

Starbucks makes a weak espresso, and this seems to be the taste that most Americans who never had it before prefer. However, they do change the strength according to locality. It is much stronger in the San Francisco Bay Area that it is in the middle of the country.

The preferred style in the San Franciso Bay Area is strong. They slightly burn the beans before grinding it-- the burnt taste depends on the coffee shop.
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  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jun-2005 at 16:15
Eh, don't they grow coffee in Mexico?
Seems strange that instant would be more popular, or is it because its cheaper?
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Originally posted by Cywr

The British preference for instant coffee goes back to WWII, when tea was in short supply, people turned to the instant coffee that was shipped over for the American GIs stationed here, after the way and after the end of rationing, people still drunk it and it became accepted as standard coffee.
Also it was quick and convenient, where as brewing proper coffee was deemed needlessly time consuming.

It may well be true that instant was shipped over for GIs, but I don't remember that. I don't in fact remember instant coffee at all until the late forties, in the form of Nescafe first.

Up to and including WWII coffee in the Uk was mostly made from liquid coffee extract, the most popular brand being Camp Coffee, with its label showing a Sikh orderly offering a tray to a rather gloriously uniformed Indian Army officer.

It tasted terrrible.

I only started drinking coffee after my first trip to France in 1950 when I was 16.


Personaly i make my own coffee with a French Press, preferably with pre-ground Java beans.

As I get older I drink less and less coffee and more and more tea, but for coffee I use a French cafetiere, which I suspect is the same thing (like a vertical glass cylinder with a piston you push down to isolate the grounds?)

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Originally posted by Cywr

Eh, don't they grow coffee in Mexico?
Seems strange that instant would be more popular, or is it because its cheaper?



I don't know how instant coffee became so popular in Mexico, but until I arrived to the U.S., instant was the only coffee that I knew about. The culture of the instant coffee was so strong, that in some "cafes" they would give you a cup with warm water and a package of instant coffee.

I believe that there were some coffee places that actually had expresso, but I don't remember most people making any distintion between instant and expresso.

I visited Guadalajara again in 1995, and I remember seeing one expresso machine at a bookstore/coffee house. Jalisco Lancer took me there, in fact.
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  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jun-2005 at 17:13
Up to and including WWII coffee in the Uk was mostly made from liquid coffee extract, the most popular brand being Camp Coffee, with its label showing a Sikh orderly offering a tray to a rather gloriously uniformed Indian Army officer.


It may well have been present, but my understanding was that coffee wasn't very popular in the UK untill WWII.
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Originally posted by Cywr

Up to and including WWII coffee in the Uk was mostly made from liquid coffee extract, the most popular brand being Camp Coffee, with its label showing a Sikh orderly offering a tray to a rather gloriously uniformed Indian Army officer.


It may well have been present, but my understanding was that coffee wasn't very popular in the UK untill WWII.

True, except among the upper classes either in mid-morning or after dinner. Of course it HAD been popular in the 17th and 18th century. I assume the country changed to tea after the conquest of India.

I'm not sure why the other great Western tea-drinnking nation, Russia, went that route rather than the coffee route.

 

 

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I think its because you can actualy grow tea in Russia, that had to have played a role.
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