Political Cartoon Debate #1

Found this political cartoon on the Internet. 

We knew that trying to stabilize a troubled country in the ME would be alot of work and not be easy, that is always the case. This really puts it in perspective what a swift and good job the troops did with taking over a country of millions with minimal loss of life.
Powerful sketch!

America is used to doing nothing more than defeatinga  military. We roll over any military we oppose, crush them and sustain minimal casualties compared to that of our enemy.

People didn't realize that being an occupation force is different. We aren't used to fighting an enemy that isn't driving around in recognizeable vehicles and walking around in uniforms. Though i quite agree with the posts above mine. Nothing we do in the ME is going to be easy.




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If democracy takes hold in Iraq, which it is, it will send a shockwave through the Middle East.

Freedom is the best way to stabilize a region. Democracys don't go to war with democracys.

The best future for the Middle east is for the nations to be democratic and to end the oppression of the religous fundamentalitsts running many of the nations there.

If people in Saudi Arabia and Iran for example see democracy succeed in Iraq, then it will only empower them to act to change their own countries. People immediately assume taht we can't just stop in Iraq, that we have to invade all ME nations to bring about change, Thats just not true. All thats needed is one successful Arab democracy.

A revolution anywhere in the ME will destabilize the region, but in the end, if it is successful and a democratic government comes out of that revolution, then it will be far better in the long run. We should not be afraid of temporary destabilization, when in the long run it will lead to a more stable region. People think too short term. I truly believe that Iraq will succeed as a successful democracy in the future, and in the long run, that benefits the region.


Edited by Illuminati

Originally posted by Illuminati If democracy takes hold in Iraq, which it is, it will send a shockwave through the Middle East. Freedom is the best way to stabilize a region. Democracys don't go to war with democracys. The best future for the Middle east is for the nations to be democratic and to end the oppression of the religous fundamentalitsts running many of the nations there. If people in Saudi Arabia and Iran for example see democracy succeed in Iraq, then it will only empower them to act to change their own countries. People immediately assume taht we can't just stop in Iraq, that we have to invade all ME nations to bring about change, Thats just not true. All thats needed is one successful Arab democracy. A revolution anywhere in the ME will destabilize the region, but in the end, if it is successful and a democratic government comes out of that revolution, then it will be far better in the long run. We should not be afraid of temporary destabilization, when in the long run it will lead to a more stable region. People think too short term. I truly believe that Iraq will succeed as a successful democracy in the future, and in the long run, that benefits the region.

Right.. good speech of freedom, and democracy..and this all from a person who's country is almost governed by dictatorship of military commanders and presidency,parliment sponsered and supported by different lobbies of various countries / states, some of which are even in the ME..
The average American has no clue, nor any respect to any person from the ME, not culturaly,not ethnically and definately not historically..
(I remember a syrian minister talking on TV.. crossfire I think.. she really took control over the speach... 1 arab = 1 US citizen.. )

So, under these conditions ;

US - Armed various US sypathizing terrorist groups all over Irak.. these people killed off their rival families, people of other ethnic origin, or gained control of site's and cities they shouldn't have. Now these people are the ones killing off the soldiers.. irony.. or stupidity..

US and soldiers from other countries, not even taking into considiration of various Geneva treaty shot at or massacred civilians in front of the media and other civilians.. (this in an area where people dont say.. "oO how unfortunate..cry.. and accept losses and continue" they take blood revenge.. "eye for an eye..." ...

Oh.. fantasy of attacking Syria and Iran.. dont even think about it because it would mean WW3.

So after the US troops leave, and most probably will, the chance of democracy so you say it.. I call it change of power of one dictator to another. There are 2 variations that may happen, firstly the goverment will be more peacefull and will show force to control terrorists in the area.. then it might have a chance of survival, second variant is a controlled cleansing of terrorists in the area by other countries.

And all those nice 'democratic' terrorists that the US so gladly funds / supports, will some day go nuclear, and it wont be in the ME where the nuke explodes.

This is not "freedom" nor it is "democracy" those are just empty words of justification..

Cywr,

Afganistan should not have drifted off the radar.  We should have dealed with that first before we went to Iraq.

I don't even know why we are at Iraq.  It first it was WMD, they were involved in the 911 attack, & finally it is about about democracy.  It feel like this administration will say anything as long as they get their way.  If it is about democracy & relieve the people from a oppressive regime, there are a handful of other countries we need to "attack". 

Yes, I would like to see democracy in every country, but I think the immediate problem with the Middle East and basically the world is the lack of jobs.  Some will say that democracy will eventually lead to job creation, but look what happen to Russia.  The key is to stamp out corruption & to institute the rule of law.  This does not necessarily mean to have democracy.

Finally, we (the United States) really should be in Africa.  A genocide is happening right now and all Bush says is that "it is not in our budget".  I felt ashamed to call myself an American when he said that.