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Topic: Darts, used in battle ! What were they? Posted: 31-Jan-2014 at 17:41 |
I've looked in several places, can't find anything. I did find out that many darts were 2 piece. A "foreshaft" which was usually 20-24 inches and made of hardwood. This was hafted into a hollow cane shaft. The cane shaft would have been "fletched" or feathered.
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Posted: 31-Jan-2014 at 18:43 |
Then, it seems, you have found what I have found, except for the "compound?" "Dart!", a feature I have never ascertained.
Of course "fletched" shafts were used until the era of "full metal Bolts!"
Can you now agree that this question is still under consideration?
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Posted: 01-Feb-2014 at 09:35 |
Only until I find what I was looking for.
On someone hitting themselves in the head with a short shafted dart, I believe that could be called a "Darwinian Adjustment".
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Posted: 03-Feb-2014 at 17:19 |
Originally posted by toyomotor
From what I've read over the years, I believe that the word "Dart" was used for a short throwing spear, as opposed to the longer, heavier spear which was used to jab opponents. |
Then would not that weapon be better described as a javelin?
But the word "dart" means sometimes as "quick" or "fast" etc. The speed of a Javelin could not be much greater than that of a spear, but the speed of a "dart" it seems would be much greater even must greater than that of a leveraged spear or javelin!
Thus, a solid metal "bolt" from a "crossbow", would effectively be the first "bullet!"
Can anyone deny this?
I will posit that after the small arrow (a Dart), fired from a crossbow, developed into a solid steel "bolt" that the terms/words to describe the projectile changed. It is probably only a translation problem, I.e. the distortion of time by chronologists and historians created a "void" that could not effectively be crossed, and that was related to word usage.
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Posted: 03-Feb-2014 at 20:01 |
Originally posted by opuslola
Originally posted by toyomotor
From what I've read over the years, I believe that the word "Dart" was used for a short throwing spear, as opposed to the longer, heavier spear which was used to jab opponents. |
Then would not that weapon be better described as a javelin?
But the word "dart" means sometimes as "quick" or "fast" etc. The speed of a Javelin could not be much greater than that of a spear, but the speed of a "dart" it seems would be much greater even must greater than that of a leveraged spear or javelin!
Thus, a solid metal "bolt" from a "crossbow", would effectively be the first "bullet!"
Can anyone deny this?
I will posit that after the small arrow (a Dart), fired from a crossbow, developed into a solid steel "bolt" that the terms/words to describe the projectile changed. It is probably only a translation problem, I.e. the distortion of time by chronologists and historians created a "void" that could not effectively be crossed, and that was related to word usage.
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It was smaller than a Javelin.
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Posted: 03-Feb-2014 at 21:41 |
Originally posted by toyomotor
Originally posted by opuslola
Originally posted by toyomotor
From what I've read over the years, I believe that the word "Dart" was used for a short throwing spear, as opposed to the longer, heavier spear which was used to jab opponents. |
Then would not that weapon be better described as a javelin?
But the word "dart" means sometimes as "quick" or "fast" etc. The speed of a Javelin could not be much greater than that of a spear, but the speed of a "dart" it seems would be much greater even must greater than that of a leveraged spear or javelin!
Thus, a solid metal "bolt" from a "crossbow", would effectively be the first "bullet!"
Can anyone deny this?
I will posit that after the small arrow (a Dart), fired from a crossbow, developed into a solid steel "bolt" that the terms/words to describe the projectile changed. It is probably only a translation problem, I.e. the distortion of time by chronologists and historians created a "void" that could not effectively be crossed, and that was related to word usage.
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It was smaller than a Javelin. |
I agree, it just had to be smaller, thus a dart!
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Posted: 05-Feb-2014 at 01:36 |
Ron:
You wrote "Whilst I am probably part Native American on both sides of my family."
Does that mean your parents are related?
You are from Mississippi aren't you?
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Posted: 05-Feb-2014 at 08:36 |
Originally posted by toyomotor
Ron:
You wrote "Whilst I am probably part Native American on both sides of my family."
Does that mean your parents are related?
You are from Mississippi aren't you? |
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Posted: 05-Feb-2014 at 11:36 |
Do you say "Look the window out?" or "Paint the house Red?" smile
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Posted: 05-Feb-2014 at 20:06 |
Originally posted by opuslola
Do you say "Look the window out?" or "Paint the house Red?" smile
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Just asking. My parents were related by marriage-theirs!
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Posted: 06-Feb-2014 at 18:49 |
Yes, the almost lost; Dutch-English accent! Smile!
Actually the correct phrase should have been "Red up the house!", meaning clean it! Smile!
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Posted: 06-Feb-2014 at 18:53 |
Originally posted by toyomotor
Ron:
You wrote "Whilst I am probably part Native American on both sides of my family."
Does that mean your parents are related?
You are from Mississippi aren't you? |
Actually the last name "Garrett" was carried by both of my Grand Mothers! But, I am sure they were at least fourth cousins or more!
Smile! But, I see no reason you should use such innuendo as a disparaging remark. I know though that you meant no harm!
Prosit, Ron
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Posted: 06-Feb-2014 at 20:12 |
I think the conversation about Darts has come to a standstill.
How about we put it to bed.
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Posted: 06-Feb-2014 at 20:33 |
Well then my friend Ian, then I would suppose that you will concede that I have beaten you? Laugh!
But, you should work on your Russian, or perhaps you know Polish better?
Za tvoyo zdorovie Ron
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