turk and turkmens were jewish !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seljuk

Originally posted by ]Mikâîl (Michael), Isrâîl (Israel), Mûsâ (Moses), and Yûnus (Jonah )

 

i expected something more turkish so we were jew b4 we became muslem ?

Originally posted by Ollios Nice work

ohh plz . i know it's strange but as i told you here

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33657&KW=

one of our theory  was we descended from Noah at first time i just ignore it but later when i see seljuk bay give jewish name to his son i change my mind so i give little search and i found this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve

http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eje

as our legends says eje was a first women ! and as we all know eve was also the first women can u see the similarity ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oghuz_Khagan#Legend

Originally posted by ]The account begins with descent from Adam to Noah, who after the flood sends his three sons to repopulate the earth: Ham was sent to Hindustan, Sam to Iran, and Yafes went to the banks of the Itil and Yaik rivers and had eight sons named Turk, Khazar, Saqlab, Rus, Ming, Chin, Kemeri, and Tarikh. As he was dying he established Turk as his successor.

i know it's hard to believe it and it's against so many things but all of our past was half history half legend !

The correct title would be, "some Turks and turkmens were jewish" namely the Khazars, who became jewish, probably in the beginning of the 9th century. But inside their empire were sas well muslim and christian populations. With the destruction of their empire by the Rus, the jewish history is widely unknown. there are several theories, so, that mostly all eastern jews were descendents of Khazars instead of being from Israel. But this is uncertain.
Another way how jewish names came into Turk languages is simply the islam, which is as well based on the mosaic religion, like it is christianity.

Originally posted by Ollios There is meaning mistake in here. Jewish means Jew so it is name of nation/tribe, so Khazars weren't Jew/Jewish, they were believing Judaism.

When I wrote "jewish" I meant it in a strict religious way, not in an ethnic one.

Originally posted by Ollios I agree but it seems there is not much Khazar effect on Eastern Jews(do you mean all Ashkenazi or just East European Ashkenazi?)

These theory means all eastern Jews, not all european. I can't say whether it is true or not.

Originally posted by Ollios Originally posted by beorna We found that most of the maternal lineages don’t trace to the north Caucasus, which would be a proxy for the Khazarians, or to the Near East, but most of them emanate from Europe ...........

This and the rest was not posted by me!

there is a disconnection between pagen and muslem turks ! i think b4 we became muslem we have already changed our  religion to abrahamic one and the real question why we totally change it ! does any one forced us to do that ? ! 

A well rounded reply from the Bear!

ron

Originally posted by Ollios Abrahamic? Are you mentioing about Judaism?

mybe both christian religion was judaism

this is what i think we

pagen turks ==> christian turks ==> judaism turks ==> muslem turks

Originally posted by toyomotor Originally posted by yomud http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seljuk Originally posted by ]Mikâîl (Michael), Isrâîl (Israel), Mûsâ (Moses), and Yûnus (Jonah )   i expected something more turkish so we were jew b4 we became muslem ? Nope! That there are similarities between Jewish and Muslim names is because the latter, the Muslims, regard the Old Testament as part of their religion, basically speaking. They accept Jesus as a prophet, the same as Mohammed. There are many Arabic names which are similar to Abrahamic names, Joseph=Yusef, Dahwey=David etc.

Yes you are right, even name of Jesus (in Turkish, it is "İsa") is well known. It is the 441 st popular name in Turkey, similar with name Judy in the USA

the expression of that "turks were jewish" is maybe too strong, but the effection of Khazars on Seljuks Empire so also Oghuz is reasonable

In the opinion of the Fomenko Group, all three of these great religions were at one time mostly together!

Do any of you think it unusual that both the Jews and the Moslems have both held as "Holy" rocks or stones!

The laws of God were reportedly written upon stone/rock tablets that were carried down from the "Holy Mountain" by Moses and then destroyed!

And in the Muslim world, the most powerful items considered are the 12-14 stones that are displayed in Medina!

Is it not funny that there seems to be no displayed grave of Muhammed "pbth",or Jesus/Isus/Musa, that can be proved?

Mystery surrounds the last grave of any of them.

Were not the famous stones of Medina at one time displayed in Jerusalem?

Were not the famous stones of Moses displayed through out Israel until they were captured by the Philistines? Were not the stones of Muhammed also captured?

Is it not strange that Moses and Muhammed began with a "M"?

Just why do so many facts suggest that Jesus was a duplicate of Caesar?, and many historians have suggested so?

Just why must we disregard the life time of Mohammed the Conqueror as not being the real life of Mohammed the prophet?

Thus, at one time these similar people "split" which is not uncommon amongst religious groups. They then are supposed to have morphed into what we have today! All of the above is the opinion of the Fomenko Group!

Lots of questions, and a few answers!

Regards, Ron

Edited by opuslola - 29-Jan-2014 at 23:29

Originally posted by opuslola In the opinion of the Fomenko Group, all three of these great religions were at one time mostly together! Do any of you think it unusual that both the Jews and the Moslems have both held as "Holy" rocks or stones! The laws of God were reportedly written upon stone/rock tablets that were carried down from the "Holy Mountain" by Moses and then destroyed! And in the Muslim world, the most powerful items considered are the 12-14 stones that are displayed in Medina! Is it not funny that there seems to be no displayed grave of Muhammed "pbth",or Jesus/Isus/Musa, that can be proved? Mystery surrounds the last grave of any of them. Were not the famous stones of Medina at one time displayed in Jerusalem? Were not the famous stones of Moses displayed through out Israel until they were captured by the Philistines? Were not the stones of Muhammed also captured? Is it not strange that Moses and Muhammed began with a "M"? Just why do so many facts suggest that Jesus was a duplicate of Caesar?, and many historians have suggested so? Just why must we disregard the life time of Mohammed the Conqueror as not being the real life of Mohammed the prophet? Thus, at one time these similar people "split" which is not uncommon amongst religious groups. They then are supposed to have morphed into what we have today! All of the above is the opinion of the Fomenko Group! Lots of questions, and a few answers! Regards, Ron

I weep with frustration at the insanity of man and his ridiculous, but sometimes accepted, theories on history, or for that matter, anything else. I clothe myself in sack cloth and beat my breast, crying, "Please, common sense must prevail", in the steadfast hope that, one day, History Revisionists will come to accept the realities of life, as proven by historic research, peer review and acceptance.