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mojobadshah 
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 Topic: Is the form Arta found in Vedic names?Posted: 23-Mar-2013 at 17:26 |
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Does the form arta cf. Skr. rta Av. asha appear in Vedic names? It appears in names of members of the Mitanni and in names of the Persians.
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Cyrus Shahmiri
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Posted: 24-Mar-2013 at 04:17 |
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Old Persian arta doesn't relate to Sankrit rta and Avestan asha, but Germanic artaz (Old High German art, Old English eard) which means "homeland, native soil, earth".
Of course the Sanskrit and Avestan words relate to each other and mean "truth and order", but the Persian prefix which can mostly be seen in the place names and personal names, means homeland or holy land, I talked about this thing in another thread about Ardalan (Homeland of the Alans, modern Kurdistan province of Iran), also about Ardabil province in the northwest of Iran and Ardahan and Artvin provinces in the east of Turkey. The same Persian prefix can be also seen in some Persian personal names, such as Ardashir/Artaxerxes (King of the homeland), Artabanus (Protector of the homeland), ...
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mojobadshah
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Posted: 24-Mar-2013 at 08:57 |
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Oh like Av. spenta artamaiti. Thank you for clearing that up. I'm convinced now that the Mitanni were most likely West Indo-Aryans. Are you aware that the Greek artemis developed from Av. artamaiti? Persephone is another Greek word that has been connected to Persian meaning "Persian speaker." Are there any more loans like this into Greek? When would these loans have entered into the Greek language?
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Posted: 24-Mar-2013 at 09:11 |
Tell us more about Artamaiti. I can't find anything on google... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persephone#Etymology regarding etymology.... |
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Een aristevin “Ever to Excel“ From Homer's Iliad (8th century BC). Motto of the University of St Andrews (founded 1410), the Edinburgh Academy (founded 1824) and others. |
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Cyrus Shahmiri
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Posted: 24-Mar-2013 at 10:25 |
That is in fact Spenta Armaiti, not Artamaiti, of course I have also read that the first part of the name of Artemis could be "arta". Edited by Cyrus Shahmiri - 24-Mar-2013 at 16:17 |
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Posted: 24-Mar-2013 at 12:15 |
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Artemis is not associated with that....
"Ancient Greek writers linked Artemis (Doric Artamis) by way of folk etymology to artemes (ἀρτεμής) ‘safe’[6] or artamos (ἄρταμος) ‘butcher’.[7][8] However, the name Artemis (variants Arktemis, Arktemisa) is most likely related to Greek árktos ‘bear’ (from PIE *h₂ŕ̥tḱos), supported by the bear cult that the goddess had in Attica (Brauronia) and the Neolithic remains at the Arkouditessa, as well as the story about Callisto, which was originally about Artemis (Arcadian epithet kallisto).[9] This cult was a survival of very old totemic and shamanistic rituals and formed part of a larger bear cult found further afield in other Indo-European cultures (e.g., Gaulish Artio). It is believed that a precursor of Artemis was worshiped in Minoan Crete as the goddess of mountains and hunting, Britomartis. While connection with Anatolian names has been suggested,[10][11] the earliest attested forms of the name Artemis are the Mycenaean Greek a-te-mi-to and a-ti-mi-te, written in Linear B at Pylos.[12] Artemis was venerated in Lydia as Artimus." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis
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αἰὲν ἀριστεύειν
Een aristevin “Ever to Excel“ From Homer's Iliad (8th century BC). Motto of the University of St Andrews (founded 1410), the Edinburgh Academy (founded 1824) and others. |
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Cyrus Shahmiri
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Posted: 25-Mar-2013 at 04:08 |
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We also read here:
"The name Artemisia (Anāhitā) derives from Artemis (n, f.; Roman equivalent: Diana). According to Jablonski, the name is also Phrygian and could be "compared with the royal appellation Artemas of Xenophon. However according to Charles Anthon the primitive root of the name is probably of Persian origin from arta*, art*, arte*,... all meaning great, excellent, holy,... " (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemisia_I_of_Caria)
An interesting thing for me is that the name of Artemis is also very similar to the Egyptian name of an ancient Persian nobleman who was never mentioned in the ancient Greek sources, this Egyptian name is Artamish , the actual Persian name in the ancient Persian inscriptions is Ardumanish. As you read here about the Bisutun inscription of Darius the Great:
"Herodotus lists the other six conspirators as Otanes, Aspathines, Gobryas, Intaphrenes, Megabyzus, and Hydarnes. All but one of these names match those inscribed at Bisutun: Herodotus substitutes Aspathines for Darius’ Ardumanish. In all, there is little in the inscription which contradicts anything told to us by Herodotus."
Darius the Great mentions Aspathines (Old Persian Aspachana) as just a bowbearer, it can be interesting to know why the name of an important Persian nobleman which can be even found in the ancient Egyptian texts, was never mentioned by Herodotus and other ancient Greek historians!
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Posted: 25-Mar-2013 at 04:15 |
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Cyrus, there is also something called coincidence. Some words sound similar although they are utterly irrelevant. For example Arcadians and Akkadians. In Greek that would be "Arkathes" vs "Akathes".
Artemis' character is not similar to the characters you mention.
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Een aristevin “Ever to Excel“ From Homer's Iliad (8th century BC). Motto of the University of St Andrews (founded 1410), the Edinburgh Academy (founded 1824) and others. |
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Cyrus Shahmiri
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Posted: 25-Mar-2013 at 15:12 |
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Of course there can be similar words in different languages but we are talking about the queen of a Persian satrap who fought against the Greeks, if we knew she was a Greek then it would be certainly better to find a Greek origin for her name.
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