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    Posted: 19-Mar-2013 at 14:34
I just finished reading Stanley Weintraub -11 days in December.

It wasn't very good, i found it a very blinkered narrow account.

But was this gem in it.

During the battle of the Bulge General Patton had an affair with Marlene Dietrich.

Did you know that members?? 
Must say as much of a Patton fan as I am,. the mental imaginary makes me shudder.......

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Originally posted by Azita

I just finished reading Stanley Weintraub -11 days in December.

It wasn't very good, i found it a very blinkered narrow account.

But was this gem in it.

During the battle of the Bulge General Patton had an affair with Marlene Dietrich.

Did you know that members?? 
Must say as much of a Patton fan as I am,. the mental imaginary makes me shudder.......

Azita




 
 
WHAT...... you don't like Marlene. Shame on you. She, like Patton, was a 'force de jour'.
I loved her for her independence in filmmaking, her always provocative beauty, and her acting. It's only gravy ref her rejection of Nazi thugs...not to mention she entertained the troops.
 
WHO she let in and out of her knickers is of little concern to me...because in the end; they both got the job done.
 
 
And Azita....in the end that's all that matters. Can you say that you have done that yet.Wink
 
 
*Tho it would be interesting to have known of Patton's reaction (if any) to her bisexual lifestyle....never read any on it.
 
 
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It would be interesting to see his source for this.  If you compiled all of the extra curricular activities he was supposedly involved in, he wouldn't have had much time for the war.Big smile  Wink
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Red Clay, He does not give sources.
Must say that he gives all the senior generals a slating, even insinuating that the initial success of the German attack was Montgomery's fault.

Then if Eisenhower had not been to busy playing golf with his generals the attack would not have happened.
Bradley was a complete incompetent. ( not sure i disagree here)
Marshall did have a clue.

It just goes on and on, some interesting points, but just generally an opportunity for the author to sl*g everyone off.

If anyone wants a copy ( audio book) let me know.

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So - once again - no sources but we are expected to accept this as "truth"?

I'm with CV on this one.  As successful as Patton was in the field, I don't care if he got laid by a famous personage, although given his strait-laced nature, I seriously doubt this ever happened as described.

Despite his blasphemous and often foul-mouthed exterior, Patton saw himself as a kind of warrior monk like the Templars, committed to the war against evil and the enemy.  His primary fault was that he lacked the kind of political-social skills necessary to  be a general anywhere but on the battlefield.

Would Patton have bedded a German actress?  I seriously doubt it.
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Oh there are various bios on him substantiating a reputation as a skirt chaser...some better then others...to include an allegation he was doing Bea's niece at one point. Weintraub's fine....I don't doubt his credentials... and he's a better then average author; but I do question his purported lack of sourcing...as he is not known for that at all.
However I haven't read it so don't know and have, as noted, little interest in the subject.
If true? No surprise.
Many, many, great and famous men, no matter their success; have had a proclivity to engage in behavior like that alleged. Many did not. 
 
 
From a historical approach I also would like to know the sourcing because claim 'A' unless defined remains just that...a claim.
 
But the Baron of the Front range is correct. Patton's character, belief systems, passions and idiosyncrasies, sometimes bordering on the bizarre, none the less make him a fascinating study.
 
 
Not for me so much any more...but for many no doubt.
 
 
Personally? He might have done her......
 
 
Or her him.LOL
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Originally posted by Mountain Man

So - once again - no sources but we are expected to accept this as "truth"?

ERR my source was the book i just read!?  i asked what other thought about the claim.

NOT, i will say again NOT    my claim.

And BTW where else have I not given sources?

Please, please don't be so angry, its only a history forum and all i am doing is discussing history.

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To avoid confusion...and I understand your source was Weintraub's book. However, does Weintraub, in the book, support his claim reference Dietrich and Patton? I believe you have said no.....however you might double check it and reconfirm it for us.
 
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Originally posted by red clay

It would be interesting to see his source for this.  If you compiled all of the extra curricular activities he was supposedly involved in, he wouldn't have had much time for the war.Big smile  Wink
 
It's all over the net with no source attributed. What we do have an actual source for is what Patton thought of her and her group. It doesn't look like he thought all that highly of her. 
The Patton Papers: 1940-1945
France, Nov 5, 1944
 
"Had Marlene Dietrich and her troupe for lunch. Later they gave us a show. Very low comedy, almost an insult to human intelligence."
 
 


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Azita wrote-
 
BTW "nuts"
 
 
Gen. Anthony Clement McAuliffe is best remembered for uttering a single word -- no mean feat, considering that even the shortest Bible verse has two. Commanding the U.S. Army’s beleaguered and surrounded 101st Airborne Division during World War II’s Battle of the Bulge, McAuliffe received a German surrender ultimatum. "Nuts!" he replied, and became a lasting symbol of American courage and determination under fire.
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