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Topic: Skopje Makedonia Posted: 08-May-2005 at 00:23 |
Talks between FYROM(Macedonia), the Greek government, and the UN are going on to discuss the name of FYROM(Maceodia) country. WHat progress has been accomplished, and what name should FYROM(Macedonia) take?
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Posted: 08-May-2005 at 00:25 |
SOme names could be:
The name this region used since the 2nd world war - Vardarska
The ancient name of the region - Paionia
A name which describes the country geographicaly - Central Balkan Republic
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Posted: 08-May-2005 at 06:50 |
Simply MACEDONIA OR whatever they want to call for their own country.......
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Posted: 08-May-2005 at 07:15 |
Originally posted by Alparslan
Simply MACEDONIA OR whatever they want to call for their own country.......
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Nicely!! Seems Alparslan if the kurds also of Iraq form an independent country and call it Turkey will be the first one to applause. After all according to his logic and as he stated, it would be a name that they wanted to call for their own country.
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Posted: 08-May-2005 at 07:23 |
Originally posted by strategos
Talks between FYROM(Macedonia), the Greek government, and the UN are going on to discuss the name of FYROM(Maceodia) country. WHat progress has been accomplished, and what name should FYROM(Macedonia) take? |
The best name would be "Slavomakedonia" since it describes them perfectly as slavs who inhabit part of geographical area termed Makedonia.
Their orgininal name was (and should be) Vardaria or Vardaska Banovina and the people were called Vardarians. But of course this was too historically and culturally insignificant a name to be called after.... How would they ever link themselves to a glorious past which will make their people proud of themselves? Where else? The Hellenic civilization of Ancient Makedonia....
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Posted: 08-May-2005 at 08:57 |
I think the most suitable name is a name chosen by the inhabitants themselves. If they choose Macedonia: so be it
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Posted: 08-May-2005 at 13:40 |
Maybe Macedonia could get a sponsorship from Bill Gates, and it could be called " Microsoft's Macedonia" or such?
Would that be acceptable for the Greeks!
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Posted: 08-May-2005 at 13:58 |
Originally posted by Alparslan
Simply MACEDONIA OR whatever they want to call for their own country.......
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Prehaps the kurds broke away and formed their own country called "Ottoman", and used Ottoman Empire symbols and tryed to claim its history. I would not support that, and neither do I support the country trying to use Macedonians name either.
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Posted: 08-May-2005 at 16:24 |
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Nicely!! Seems Alparslan if the kurds also of Iraq form an independent country and call it Turkey will be the first one to applause. After all according to his logic and as he stated, it would be a name that they wanted to call for their own country. |
Why would they call themselves so? They wouldnt call themselves Turks like Greeks dont call themselves Macedonians. Kurds are Kurds, and Macedonians are Macedonians. That is a redicilous mentality...
And by the way, I dont think a bunch of Greek forumers or any of us has the responsibility to decide what the Macedonians will call themselves. This is their nationality and their country. I have never seen a Macedonian trying to adopt new names to Greece, but i see some of us arent happy with the name "Macedonia". I think a better name for Macedonia would be "the Sancak of Macedonia"...
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Posted: 08-May-2005 at 16:42 |
Ogu I am not surprized that you cannot grasp the full meaning. Its not just a name. It starts with a name, then they start claiming ancient Macedonian history, then they start to claim land in many of the surrounding countries.
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Posted: 08-May-2005 at 16:42 |
Originally posted by Aeolus
Originally posted by Alparslan
Simply MACEDONIA OR whatever they want to call for their own country.......
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Nicely!! Seems Alparslan if the kurds also of Iraq form an independent country and call it Turkey will be the first one to applause. After all according to his logic and as he stated, it would be a name that they wanted to call for their own country.
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It seems that certain people like to use a specific way of twisted logic , when they talk about other nations.....But when somebody uses the same twisted logic to them , then it becomes a "ridiculous mentality"...
The people of Greece , still hold their ancient names....They are Epirotes , Macedonians , Thracians , Athenians , Peloponneseans etc...But ALL of them are Greeks .
Maybe the Kurds will not name it Turkey .... but they very well can name it Anatolia ....That would be i nice touch from their part and all fellow forumers who applause Skopians , they will definitely suport Kurds too...
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Posted: 08-May-2005 at 19:05 |
i agree
Originally posted by Aeolus
Originally posted by strategos
Talks between FYROM(Macedonia), the Greek government, and the UN are going on to discuss the name of FYROM(Maceodia) country. WHat progress has been accomplished, and what name should FYROM(Macedonia) take? |
The best name would be "Slavomakedonia" since it describes them perfectly as slavs who inhabit part of geographical area termed Makedonia.
Their orgininal name was (and should be) Vardaria or Vardaska Banovina and the people were called Vardarians. But of course this was too historically and culturally insignificant a name to be called after.... How would they ever link themselves to a glorious past which will make their people proud of themselves? Where else? The Hellenic civilization of Ancient Makedonia.... |
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Posted: 09-May-2005 at 03:38 |
Originally posted by strategos
Prehaps the kurds broke away and formed their own country called "Ottoman", and used Ottoman Empire symbols and tryed to claim its history. I would not support that, and neither do I support the country trying to use Macedonians name either. |
Why? But if they really want to do it they may do it and claim themselves as Ottoman.
But in fact the people of Greece who live in Greece now have stolen the heritage of people who lived there thousands years ego, ancient Greeks. That is why you have generated a new language to claim yourself as Greek and assimilated millions of people. That is why the term ancient is used before Greek in serious historical, anthropological and artistic academical issues.
Alexander the Great was not accepted as Greek by Greeks. Just read the life of Alexander the Great. That's why he fought with Greeks and crashed them. He was an opportunist person who were trying to adress to the minds of people to control and conquest them. But Greeks were quit aware that he was not a Greek. He was Macedonian nothing more.
You should accept it even if you like it or not.
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Posted: 09-May-2005 at 09:57 |
Originally posted by iskenderani
Originally posted by Aeolus
Originally posted by Alparslan
Simply MACEDONIA OR whatever they want to call for their own country.......
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Nicely!! Seems Alparslan if the kurds also of Iraq form an
independent country and call it Turkey will be the first one to
applause. After all according to his logic and as he stated, it would
be a name that they wanted to call for their own country.
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It seems that certain people like to use a specific way of twisted
logic , when they talk about other nations.....But when somebody uses
the same twisted logic to them , then it becomes a "ridiculous
mentality"...
The people of Greece , still hold their ancient names....They are
Epirotes , Macedonians , Thracians , Athenians , Peloponneseans
etc...But ALL of them are Greeks .
Maybe the Kurds will not name it Turkey .... but they very well can
name it Anatolia ....That would be i nice touch from their part and all
fellow forumers who applause Skopians , they will definitely suport
Kurds too...
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Macedonians are not Greeks and never were, Thracians are as removed from being Greek as Kurds are from being Turks.
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Posted: 09-May-2005 at 11:22 |
Originally posted by Alparslan
But in fact the people of Greece who live in Greece now have stolen the heritage of people who lived there thousands years ego, ancient Greeks. That is why you have generated a new language to claim yourself as Greek and assimilated millions of people. That is why the term ancient is used before Greek in serious historical, anthropological and artistic academical issues. |
Well Alpaslan, it's becaming boring to call you (and prove you) a mindless Greek-hater everytime you post something (because 90% of your posts are just to flame against Greece-no matter if the discussion is on philosophy or gardening) but I'll do it one more time.
So by doing a little research in the internet, you will find that modern Greek language is the direct descentant of "Koine" Greek, spoken since (and by) Alexander's time (4th century BC) which was itself deriving from Attic Greek dialect. Very few languages in the world can claim such extraordinary continuity and relevance. Actually the Greek Orthodox mass is still performed in this language, rather that modern Greek, and is perfectly understood even by the most illiterate believer.
On the rest no comment, I can attribute it to your severe inferiority complex. At least it's good to know that we give you some purpose in life
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Posted: 09-May-2005 at 12:19 |
Originally posted by vulkan02
Macedonians are not Greeks and never were, Thracians are as removed from being Greek as Kurds are from being Turks.
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But i agree with u ....The people living in this part of Macedonia r NOT definitely Greeks .... they r Slavs either of Serbian origin , or Bulgarian origin... Albanians , and certain other like Vlachs and Gypsies...
The Macedonians who inhabited the general area in historical times , were Greeks , spoke greek , worshipped greek Gods and wrote in greek , hence they were drfinitely NOT Sioux Indians....The same were doing Aechaeans , Aetolians , Epirotes , Peloponneseans , Lakedemonians , Melians , Ionians , Samians .... u name it u have it..
So its pointless to try and prove that they were from Sirius....They were not.
Still the question remains ..... How on earth , people that they were NOT existing in every census taken until almost 1930 , appear suddenly out of the blue... and HOW in 1944 a language that did not existed ever before ....becomes just like that , an official language of a non existing people in an area called up to 1944 Republic of Banovina - Vardarska , which by pure ( communist ) magic becomes Macedonia....
( too many miracles, produced together , smells a rat ( hoax ))
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Posted: 09-May-2005 at 15:54 |
non existing people in an area called up to 1944 Republic of Banovina - Vardarska , which by pure ( communist ) magic becomes Macedonia.... |
This is the basic of this magic:
"The Serbs basing on the situation that 3/4 of the Balkan peninsula is populated by Slavs and one big part of them were under the rule of the Bulgarian tribe, take the historical task to free all Slavs from the influence of the ex-bulgarian khans, to clean them from the mongol blood and to unite them in one Great Jugoslavia from Beograd to Thessalonike and from Adriatic sea to Black sea."
By Vladan Djordjevich, Beograd 1908.
Thus was created Macedonia.
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