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Topic: English language began in Turkey Posted: 30-Aug-2012 at 12:56 |
There is no ancient dictionary, if you want to know the exact meaning of old Indo-European words, like Old Persian, Hittite or Ancient Greek, you should compare them, for example as you read here: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D5%B0%D5%A1%D5%B6 Old Armenian Han means "grandmother", there could be also some loanwords in other old languages in that region, like this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannahannah -> Hannahannah (from Hittite hannas "grandmother") is a Hurrian Mother Goddess.
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Posted: 30-Aug-2012 at 13:00 |
Hannahannah - I suppose like in Pidjin English the effect of the word is doubled if it's repeated - so it would be lie the grandmother of all - a true Mother Goddess! Thank you for this info, Cyrus.
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Posted: 30-Aug-2012 at 20:16 |
As in the Sumerian mother goddess Inanna (also known as Ishtar)
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Posted: 05-Oct-2012 at 04:45 |
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri
medenaywe, words and their meanings change through time, "Nana" is a modern Persian word, in the Middle and Old Persian this word was probably more similar to "Hanna", there could be also several different reasons that people create the words, for example someone can say "Na" means "mother" and "Nana" means "mother's mother" (grandmother). |
as iranian turkmen i say this not true persians dont have nana word at all its turkish word they call mother madar and father pedar grandmother madarbozorg grand father perdarbozorg so where is nana in modern persian ? it is tukish u know it better than me ! turkmens call there fahter dada and mother nana (enne atta) grand parents from mother side is baba (bava) and mama and from my father side is kaka(grandfather) and ejea (grandmother) plz dont do this again
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Posted: 05-Oct-2012 at 07:15 |
Originally posted by yomud
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medenaywe, words and their meanings change through time, "Nana" is a modern Persian word, in the Middle and Old Persian this word was probably more similar to "Hanna", there could be also several different reasons that people create the words, for example someone can say "Na" means "mother" and "Nana" means "mother's mother" (grandmother). |
as iranian turkmen i say this not true persians dont have nana word at all its turkish word they call mother madar and father pedar grandmother madarbozorg grand father perdarbozorg so where is nana in modern persian ? it is tukish u know it better than me ! turkmens call there fahter dada and mother nana (enne atta) grand parents from mother side is baba (bava) and mama and from my father side is kaka(grandfather) and ejea (grandmother) plz dont do this again
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In my dialect of Kurmanji Kurdish we use the word Kake for father and grandfather. Also Atte is also used for mother by some as well. The speakers of my dialect are Alevis, I suspect it might be a Turkish influence. But never heard Turks in Turkey use Kake for father or grandfather.
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Posted: 05-Oct-2012 at 07:36 |
Kake does sound similar to Dada, Papa and Father
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Posted: 05-Oct-2012 at 08:10 |
Originally posted by yomud
as iranian turkmen i say this not true persians dont have nana word at all its turkish word they call mother madar and father pedar grandmother madarbozorg grand father perdarbozorg so where is nana in modern persian ? it is tukish u know it better than me ! turkmens call there fahter dada and mother nana (enne atta) grand parents from mother side is baba (bava) and mama and from my father side is kaka(grandfather) and ejea (grandmother) plz dont do this again
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There are certainly numerous Turkic words in the modern Persian language and for this reason some people use the word "Nana" for "mother" but I don't talk about modern Persian, according to my Persian dictionary, "Nana" means "grandmother" from its Persian origin, the Persian word "Ania" (Nia/Niakan) which means "ancestor" has the same origin, it has an Indo-European root, like Armenian "Han" (grandmother), German "Ahn" (ancestor), Old Prussian "Ane" (mother-in-law), ...
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Posted: 05-Oct-2012 at 11:03 |
I think the word for mother and father developed from more or less the same base but seperately around the world. ma-ma and pa-pa are the most easily to say words for a human being. I guess its more of a coincidence that the same forms exists far from each other.
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Posted: 05-Oct-2012 at 12:22 |
How much consideration has been given to the use of latin with the spread of words like mother and father....etc....?
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Posted: 05-Oct-2012 at 12:30 |
Originally posted by Ince
Originally posted by yomud
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri
medenaywe, words and their meanings change through time, "Nana" is a modern Persian word, in the Middle and Old Persian this word was probably more similar to "Hanna", there could be also several different reasons that people create the words, for example someone can say "Na" means "mother" and "Nana" means "mother's mother" (grandmother). |
as iranian turkmen i say this not true persians dont have nana word at all its turkish word they call mother madar and father pedar grandmother madarbozorg grand father perdarbozorg so where is nana in modern persian ? it is tukish u know it better than me ! turkmens call there fahter dada and mother nana (enne atta) grand parents from mother side is baba (bava) and mama and from my father side is kaka(grandfather) and ejea (grandmother) plz dont do this again
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In my dialect of Kurmanji Kurdish we use the word Kake for father and grandfather. Also Atte is also used for mother by some as well. The speakers of my dialect are Alevis, I suspect it might be a Turkish influence. But never heard Turks in Turkey use Kake for father or grandfather.
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im not from turkey i live in gonbad kavus ( old gorgan ) and im iranian . where do u live ? dyarbak ? iraq ? and atta means father like other tukish languge
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Posted: 05-Oct-2012 at 18:29 |
Originally posted by yomud
Originally posted by Ince
Originally posted by yomud
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri
medenaywe, words and their meanings change through time, "Nana" is a modern Persian word, in the Middle and Old Persian this word was probably more similar to "Hanna", there could be also several different reasons that people create the words, for example someone can say "Na" means "mother" and "Nana" means "mother's mother" (grandmother). |
as iranian turkmen i say this not true persians dont have nana word at all its turkish word they call mother madar and father pedar grandmother madarbozorg grand father perdarbozorg so where is nana in modern persian ? it is tukish u know it better than me ! turkmens call there fahter dada and mother nana (enne atta) grand parents from mother side is baba (bava) and mama and from my father side is kaka(grandfather) and ejea (grandmother) plz dont do this again
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In my dialect of Kurmanji Kurdish we use the word Kake for father and grandfather. Also Atte is also used for mother by some as well. The speakers of my dialect are Alevis, I suspect it might be a Turkish influence. But never heard Turks in Turkey use Kake for father or grandfather.
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im not from turkey i live in gonbad kavus ( old gorgan ) and im iranian . where do u live ? dyarbak ? iraq ? and atta means father like other tukish languge
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I am from Malatya,Turkey. Atte is used for Mother in my dialect of Kurdish but only by some and Alek as well by some also used is the most common Kurdish word for mother Daye. For father we use Bave/Bawe and also Kake/Kako. I have only ever heard people of dialect use Kake/Kako for father. If it is used by Turkmens then it is very likely came from Turkic influence. Most Kurdish dialects have abandonded the Iranic root for mother and father for some reason and adopted words like Daye and Bawe where as the Iranic rooted are Mader and Peder which Persian has retained.
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Posted: 05-Oct-2012 at 19:20 |
ince if we use this as it doesn't mean that's not kurdish remember this ! nana in german means mother so in your view this is not germanic ? or mother use by so many people no one can say these are yours and that is mine !
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Posted: 05-Oct-2012 at 20:15 |
these words are commin wtih turkmens and germens and english or some european
turkmen german english italiyan persian istanbul turkish tabriz turkish
pomozor Pflaume plum pomozor goje erik gavalı kertob/kortob Kartoffel Potato patata sibzamini patates yeralma(commen in all tr ) bulut Wolke Cloud nuvola abr bulut bulut eth/es/iys/iyth Geruch smell odore bu koku iy alma Apfel Apple mela siyb alma alma
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Posted: 05-Oct-2012 at 20:23 |
in swedish they use plommon for plum and for Cloud for cloud and apple for apple
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Posted: 06-Oct-2012 at 03:15 |
Originally posted by yomud
as iranian turkmen i say this not true persians dont have nana word at all its turkish word they call mother madar and father pedar grandmother madarbozorg grand father perdarbozorg so where is nana in modern persian ? it is tukish u know it better than me ! turkmens call there fahter dada and mother nana (enne atta) grand parents from mother side is baba (bava) and mama and from my father side is kaka(grandfather) and ejea (grandmother) plz dont do this again
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Your Turkmen-Sahra Türkmen? Very nice to have you on board. In Azeri Turkish its as following: Ata for father, Ana for mother, Baba/Dədə for grandfather and Nənə/Qarınənə for grandmother.
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Posted: 06-Oct-2012 at 07:40 |
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Originally posted by yomud
as iranian turkmen i say this not true persians dont have nana word at all its turkish word they call mother madar and father pedar grandmother madarbozorg grand father perdarbozorg so where is nana in modern persian ? it is tukish u know it better than me ! turkmens call there fahter dada and mother nana (enne atta) grand parents from mother side is baba (bava) and mama and from my father side is kaka(grandfather) and ejea (grandmother) plz dont do this again
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Your Turkmen-Sahra Türkmen? Very nice to have you on board.
In Azeri Turkish its as following: Ata for father, Ana for mother, Baba/Dədə for grandfather and Nənə/Qarınənə for grandmother.
tnx my friend (sagh bul kardeshim ) :D qarinanan ! qarin is very similar to grand
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