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    Posted: 31-Mar-2012 at 07:32
In history I've been given a essay on the Cold War and decolonization. 

To what extent did the Cold War play a role in the decolonization process? 

What should I be talking about in my essay? Before I write it, I want to check if I'm writing about the right things. 

And also "to what extent" means how much of a role the Cold War played? Therefore I should be arguing how much the Cold War effected decolonization. So if other factors effected decolonization I should be talking about them also right?

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What research have you conducted? And what specific areas within the decolonization process and or by whom have you attempted to define?
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Mar-2012 at 08:35
Is it physical presence of conquerer,colonization?All post colonial countries are looking for investments&markets  of their former Dominions.I believe you can find lot of information inside archives of
"colonized" lands.
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I have to focus on one European Empire (or specific parts of it).
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Mar-2012 at 08:47
Then what research have you conducted on that....and which have you id' as a subject for the essay review.
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Mar-2012 at 08:47
European Empire(EU) is new one.Unsuccessful or successful one,we still do not know!Try British Empire.
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  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Apr-2012 at 14:12
Originally posted by Songgbird

In history I've been given a essay on the Cold War and decolonization. 

To what extent did the Cold War play a role in the decolonization process? 

What should I be talking about in my essay? Before I write it, I want to check if I'm writing about the right things. 

And also "to what extent" means how much of a role the Cold War played? Therefore I should be arguing how much the Cold War effected decolonization. So if other factors effected decolonization I should be talking about them also right?

Thanks.


I don't agree this idea, the cold war caused new colonization style, it is not relevant with decolonization because it is a type of colonization. World divided Russian and American parts and ruled from Moskova and Washington

Just European colonization was dead, but American and Russians rose.


Edited by Ollios - 01-Apr-2012 at 14:21
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I tend to agree with Ollios here. The USSR de facto colonized the Eastern Europe, with the exception of Yugoslavia, because Tito had enough sand to hold his own, and played both hands well. But, say, Bulgaria, was so attached economically to the USSR, that it's factories produced almost exclusively for the Russian market; and then the USSR fell apart, Bulgaria experienced full economic collapse.

What's the difference between colonization and influence - the first makes a country totally dependent of whoever colonized it, the second requires some dependency, but not a total one. Turkey was never a lackey of the US, like Bulgaria was of the USSR. Which reminds me of a Bulgarian joke of my time "When Russia cuts the cheese, Bulgaria fills the diaper" - which was, most unfortunately, pretty much the case.

The US tended to influence in a different way - not through direct colonization, but through investing in - like the invested in Turkey, Turkey being the only one door they had to the USSR in a case of need - the economic growth of Turkey during the Cold war was due to the high value it had for the US and NATO.
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Apr-2012 at 19:23
Medenaywe made a good point. The Cold War was simply another phase of empire-building by the new superpowers: Russia, America, China and the EU stepping in to fill the void left by Britain, France, Italy, Germany and Japan
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  Quote lirelou Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Apr-2012 at 00:15
The idea that the Cold War was simply another phase of empire building is, pardon the expression, simple in the extreme.

First of all, regional history and trends differed, as did the Cold War's impact upon the colonies within those regions.

In East Asia, colonialism was given its death knell by several events, some of which spawned the Cold War. These were the American opening of Japan, Japan's rapid rise to power, the Sino-Japanese War, which humiliated Asia's leading indigenous neo-colonial power, the Russo-Japanese War, by which the greatest European land power was likewise humiliated by Japan, the First World War, which saw many colonial civil and military personnel serve in France and other theaters, opening their eyes to the reality of the 'metropolises', and finally, the 1940 German defeat of France, Belgium, and the Netherlands, with the concurrent defeat of the British Expeditionary Force on the French mainland, opening a window of opportunity that the Japanese seized in the Pacific War.

In East and Southeast Asia, those are the events that spelled the death of colonialism. The subsequent Cold War played off of forces left in their wake.

Colonialism in Africa was a different story, and seems to have been more susceptible to the pressures of Cold War politics.

I hesitate to label the USSR's policies in Eastern Europe as colonial. They fully intended to create a 'sanitary zone' between themselves and the West. And they had reason to hope that some Western European nations, particularly France and Italy, would voluntarily swing their way, as Czechoslovakia did in 1947-48. In Korea, the USSR's goal was a friendly state on their border. That was easily obtained in 1948 and after that, other than Stalin's approval of Kim Il-sung's 1950 war plan, they were content to let the DPRK go its own way. Despite their differences, the USSR kept subsidizing North Korea so that it too suffered a severe economic collapse when the newly non-Communist Russia cut those off.

I likewise deem it shoddy reasoning to label the U.S. a colonial power. Hegemonic, yes. But in an age when words seem to mean anything the speaker or poster desires, I understand why the label survives.


Edited by lirelou - 04-Apr-2012 at 00:18
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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Apr-2012 at 00:48
What do you mean, Czechoslovakia swinging voluntarily to the USSR? They didn't have a choice to start with, because after the Democratic Party won the free elections in 1946, in 1948 the Russian came with the tanks - so much voluntarily it was; besides Czechoslovakia lost Subcarpatian Ruthenia that was taken from it and incorporated in Russian Ukraine. Bulgaria didn't get free elections at all, and had to pay monstrous reparations to USSR for years, even though it didn't have a choice but to join Germany and provided only food, never soldiers, nevertheless they were loaded with reparations that kept Bulgaria for years on coupon system. And this in time when West Germany was receiving the Marshal Plan's help, from it's former enemies - Russia was raping it's "allies" like Bulgaria triple and split.

Of course the USSR wanted to create a sanitary zone, what this has to do with anything? Everyone can come up with excuse like that - a "sanitary zone' doesn't mean that you ruin the countries of question left and right. The Russian variety of communism expected that the whole world would become communist, "any minute now", but they treated Eastern Europe as a feudal property - that's why the Prague Spring and the Hungarian Rebellion were quashed in blood with the Russian tanks. Bulgaria was treated as an informal Russian republic, and had to obey everything Russia says, up to the minutest details, and tie it's economy exclusively to the Russia market, that's why 2O years after communism fell Bulgaria economy is still in ruins.

What is not colonial in such behavior? If what was done in Bulgaria is not colonialism, I would like to know what colonialism is. The degree of colonialism was different, the Czechs wiggle themselves a little more space, and Tito kept Yugoslavia more independent, but this was only because of clever politicians - if the USSR could, they would turn everyone in a wiping rug, like they did with Bulgaria.



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Originally posted by lirelou

In East Asia, colonialism was given its death knell by several events, some of which spawned the Cold War. These were the American opening of Japan, Japan's rapid rise to power, the Sino-Japanese War, which humiliated Asia's leading indigenous neo-colonial power, the Russo-Japanese War, by which the greatest European land power was likewise humiliated by Japan, the First World War, which saw many colonial civil and military personnel serve in France and other theaters, opening their eyes to the reality of the 'metropolises', and finally, the 1940 German defeat of France, Belgium, and the Netherlands, with the concurrent defeat of the British Expeditionary Force on the French mainland, opening a window of opportunity that the Japanese seized in the Pacific War.
 
In East and Southeast Asia, those are the events that spelled the death of colonialism. The subsequent Cold War played off of forces left in their wake.
 
I hesitate to label the USSR's policies in Eastern Europe as colonial. They fully intended to create a 'sanitary zone' between themselves and the West. And they had reason to hope that some Western European nations, particularly France and Italy, would voluntarily swing their way, as Czechoslovakia did in 1947-48. In Korea, the USSR's goal was a friendly state on their border. That was easily obtained in 1948 and after that, other than Stalin's approval of Kim Il-sung's 1950 war plan, they were content to let the DPRK go its own way. Despite their differences, the USSR kept subsidizing North Korea so that it too suffered a severe economic collapse when the newly non-Communist Russia cut those off.
 
I likewise deem it shoddy reasoning to label the U.S. a colonial power. Hegemonic, yes. But in an age when words seem to mean anything the speaker or poster desires, I understand why the label survives.
 
Perhaps it's merely a disput over terminology. USSR's foreign policie over Eastern Europe was pretty similar to colonialism. They suppressed anti-Soviet movements and sent Soviet troops to occupy Prague. But not all Eastern Europe were "colonized". Albania withdrew from Warsaw Pact after Soviet troops occupied Prague, but maybe Soviets let that happen because Albania has very little to contribute as buffer zone beween USSR and the West.
 
Colonialism didn't happen in Asia that much... that I agree. Korean War was merely alignment of Sovet interest in North Korean's unification fever, and the Chinese wanted North Korea to act as buffer zone. As far as I'm concerned Tibet is the only example that fits the colonialism. (Since there are Chinese police and troops physically occupying over Tibet)
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Apr-2012 at 19:29
Imperialism doesn't neccessarily have to include colonisation. The Americans and Russians both wanted to set up puppet regimes in the Third World to strip of their natural resources in return for arms. Nam was just one of many imperialist wars between two puppet regimes: Soviet-backed communists against a US-sponsored miltiary dictatorship

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