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    Posted: 27-Mar-2012 at 10:54
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Better example of revisionism.
 
 
 
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Interesting theory. I enjoyed Ian Wilson's book, but never kept up to date with the modern testings of the shroud.

Hard to believe the early apostles saw a picture of Jesus and believed it was the real thing, or then got other people to believe it too. I'd need to read the book to give a better judgement, but would they not be familiar with statues, paintings and mosaics around them in the Roman Empire? Pagans may have believed an image could embody a god, as that's how idols work, but the Jewish law specifically forbade idols and image worship, so would have avoided the link.
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We may never know the truth. For every theory proving the shroud to be genuine, another springs up denying its veracity
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Yet to see any theory that actually proved it genuine.
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Originally posted by Sidney

Pagans may have believed an image could embody a god, as that's how idols work, but the Jewish law specifically forbade idols and image worship, so would have avoided the link.
I disagree.  Christianity was a convert religion and an increasing number of the converts were not not ethnically Jewish and would not of had the graven image prohibition.  Likewise, other converts though ethnically Jewish, were not religous and were acculturated into Roman society and not living in Israel. These Jews would have a the graven image prohibition, but would probably not be militant about it.
 
Originally posted by Sidney

Yet to see any theory that actually proved it genuine.
At the same time, it has not be proven to be a forgery.  Instead, it has undergone a very intensive scientific examination that yielded the result of "produced in the Middle Ages by unknown means".
Even the "produced in the middle ages" finding is reliant totally on the Carbon 14 tests and is unsupported by any of the other tests.
 
To my knowledge, no other religous relic has undergone anywhere near the level of tests that the shroud has been put through, with out the tests determining conclusively how it was made. 


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