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    Posted: 16-Feb-2012 at 05:10
this is a documentary on the last few Jamaicans of direct German heritage they claim they are descended indentured servants that were brought to Jamaica to replace the slaves.
does anyone have any information on this?

link to documentary - http://youtu.be/LY2vGtlSoZA
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Not much.
Best bet go to the Jamican Government's Historical Represenitive. State Historian. Archivist. ect.
http://forgottenfaces.info/
 
 
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I thought the indentured servants came first and were replaced with African slaves. From what i remember reading, this was for several reasons: Africans had stronger bodies, were more resistant to tropical diseases, and were unable to sue or buy their freedom
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Originally posted by Nick1986

I thought the indentured servants came first and were replaced with African slaves. From what I remember reading, this was for several reasons: Africans had stronger bodies, were more resistant to tropical diseases, and were unable to sue or buy their freedom


When slavery was abolished, indentured servitude was (re)introduced (you would get a job but would have to work to pay off the initial expenses), that is why there are many South Asians in former British colonies in the Caribbean.
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Didn't the freed blacks fill these posts? After slavery was abolished plantation owners introduced a form of feudalism where the freed slaves were given plots of land but forced to work on weekdays to compensate the master

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Originally posted by Nick1986

I thought the indentured servants came first and were replaced with African slaves. From what i remember reading, this was for several reasons: Africans had stronger bodies, were more resistant to tropical diseases, and were unable to sue or buy their freedom
Africans were brought mainly after attempts to use amerindian  slaves failed.
The amerindians in that particular area were too few in number to support a large scale plantation agricultural system based on slavery, were not resistant to European diseases, and escapees were hard to re capture.
 
Also, amerindians were not psychologicaly conditioned for working by set schedules or coordinating work with large numbers of others.  In contrast, africans were accustomed to large scale agriculture, were more resistant to European diseases, and easier to identify if they escaped.   


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Escaped black slaves could be equally hard to recapture. Deep in the jungle they formed armed groups known as Maroons and launched raids on the plantations. In some places the white man had to bribe them to stay away
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not in the case of the Germans who came to Jamaica it is said they came to replace the emancipated african populace. they arrived in 1834 after slavery was abolished in Jamaica 
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Originally posted by Nick1986

I thought the indentured servants came first and were replaced with African slaves. From what i remember reading, this was for several reasons: Africans had stronger bodies, were more resistant to tropical diseases, and were unable to sue or buy their freedom


not in the case of the Germans who came to Jamaica it is said they came to replace the emancipated african populace. they arrived in 1834 after slavery was abolished in Jamaica 
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Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis

Not much.
Best bet go to the Jamican Government's Historical Represenitive. State Historian. Archivist. ect.
http://forgottenfaces.info/
 
 


thanks for the links
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Originally posted by Nick1986

Didn't the freed blacks fill these posts? After slavery was abolished plantation owners introduced a form of feudalism where the freed slaves were given plots of land but forced to work on weekdays to compensate the master


from what i gather many of the former slaves did not want to work being they did not want anything to do with anything that would remind them of the slavery system.
the documentary states that they had to find cheap labor
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Originally posted by Nick1986

Escaped black slaves could be equally hard to recapture. Deep in the jungle they formed armed groups known as Maroons and launched raids on the plantations. In some places the white man had to bribe them to stay away


yes there is a maroon village near seaford town the german settlement in is the same region some people theorize that seaford town and the german townships were built to serve as a buffer zone between former slaves and the wealthy whites and former slave masters
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In the most remote parts of the Caribbean the maroons reverted to a more primitive state. Some never made contact with modern society until the 20th century
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Posts: 12 		  Quote dave6 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Feb-2012 at 01:47
Originally posted by Nick1986

In the most remote parts of the Caribbean the maroons reverted to a more primitive state. Some never made contact with modern society until the 20th century


seaford town was built between some very big plantations they were in between the plantations and maroon town that is why they were considered a buffer zone by some being that maroons were known to pillage and attack some of these wealthy plantations.
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Posts: 7940 		  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Feb-2012 at 19:32
That's right. In some cases the field slaves helped the Maroons, hoping they would be freed in the event of their master's death
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Posts: 12 		  Quote dave6 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Mar-2012 at 23:34
yes and in some cases the maroons would recapture slaves and sell and give them back to english. the maroons are romanticized but they did what they did what they could to survive and they did what they could to appease the plantocracy to keep them off their turf 
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