Notice: This is the official website of the All Empires History Community (Reg. 10 Feb 2002)

  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

latest dna results of pakistani populations
 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
  Share Topic Share Topic  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
balochii View Drop Down
Colonel
Colonel


Joined: 23-May-2009
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 699 		  Quote balochii Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: latest dna results of pakistani populations
    Posted: 02-Jun-2011 at 18:29
there is a major dna project called (harrapa dna project) of south asian populations happening and these are the latest pakistani results:
 
Back to Top
balochii View Drop Down
Colonel
Colonel


Joined: 23-May-2009
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 699 		  Quote balochii Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jun-2011 at 18:30
its from this site, read more about it: http://dodecad.blogspot.com/2011/05/aniasi-analysis-of-hgdp-pakistan-groups.html
Back to Top
balochii View Drop Down
Colonel
Colonel


Joined: 23-May-2009
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 699 		  Quote balochii Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jun-2011 at 18:34
one thing surprising is that pakistanis have large amounts of west asian dna as you can (green). West asia is basically Turkey, Kurdistan, Syria, Lebenon area. This could be because of ancient migrations or even recent (aryan) migratration from Kurdistan area which some people purpose.
 
Also ANI(pink) is Caucasian dna from west asia/Eurasia area. So pakistanis overall are heavily mixed, and actually they are much less native south asian then previously thought, even though the country is located in south asia
Back to Top
Toltec View Drop Down
Arch Duke
Arch Duke
Avatar
Shape Shifter

Joined: 12-May-2011
Location: Hyperborea
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1748 		  Quote Toltec Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jun-2011 at 08:17
This key is nonsense though. DNA comes in haplogroups, there's no such thing as S European and N European DNA even.
 
Stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?

History Planet Website
<br /
Back to Top
Ince View Drop Down
Colonel
Colonel


Joined: 24-Dec-2009
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 550 		  Quote Ince Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jun-2011 at 08:30
Originally posted by Toltec

This key is nonsense though. DNA comes in haplogroups, there's no such thing as S European and N European DNA even.
 


Dodecad does not use Haplogroups.  They use users whole DNA data and compare them to others world wide.   They achieve this by users who who use such services as www.23andme.com where users are given their genetic data and in which they pass  it on to Dodecad to analyse.


Edited by Ince - 03-Jun-2011 at 08:31
Back to Top
Ince View Drop Down
Colonel
Colonel


Joined: 24-Dec-2009
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 550 		  Quote Ince Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jun-2011 at 08:36
Originally posted by balochii

one thing surprising is that pakistanis have large amounts of west asian dna as you can (green). West asia is basically Turkey, Kurdistan, Syria, Lebenon area. This could be because of ancient migrations or even recent (aryan) migratration from Kurdistan area which some people purpose.
 
Also ANI(pink) is Caucasian dna from west asia/Eurasia area. So pakistanis overall are heavily mixed, and actually they are much less native south asian then previously thought, even though the country is located in south asia


Pakistan does border Iran and thats where maybe gene flow happened.  Also is people such as the Balochi are Iranic speakers and they might of came from a different region and settled in Pakistan. 
Back to Top
balochii View Drop Down
Colonel
Colonel


Joined: 23-May-2009
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 699 		  Quote balochii Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jun-2011 at 12:16
^ true, but there is not much difference then lets say a balochi(iranic) speaker and sindhi(indic) speaker. It seems these migration/gene flow must have been long ago, when there was no indic or iranic
Back to Top
Toltec View Drop Down
Arch Duke
Arch Duke
Avatar
Shape Shifter

Joined: 12-May-2011
Location: Hyperborea
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1748 		  Quote Toltec Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jun-2011 at 21:14
Originally posted by Ince

Originally posted by Toltec

This key is nonsense though. DNA comes in haplogroups, there's no such thing as S European and N European DNA even.
 


Dodecad does not use Haplogroups.  They use users whole DNA data and compare them to others world wide.   They achieve this by users who who use such services as www.23andme.com where users are given their genetic data and in which they pass  it on to Dodecad to analyse.
 
Any kind of analyses like this then is pseudo science, it harks back to the eugenics stufff of the turn of the century.


Edited by Toltec - 03-Jun-2011 at 21:16
Stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?

History Planet Website
<br /
Back to Top
balochii View Drop Down
Colonel
Colonel


Joined: 23-May-2009
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 699 		  Quote balochii Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jun-2011 at 22:29
^ actually the project is being done by major genetic scientist to study the south asian and central asian population, i am just showing the pakistani populations, but i believe he has done this with many other countries populations.
 
Also you have to understand how he is doing this, its very complicated but trust me he has no agenda behind this.
Back to Top
Toltec View Drop Down
Arch Duke
Arch Duke
Avatar
Shape Shifter

Joined: 12-May-2011
Location: Hyperborea
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1748 		  Quote Toltec Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jun-2011 at 08:06
I'm not saying he has an agenda. To do this he must create non-scientific categories. How does he define S and N European DNA, when they don't even exist, except by inventing whole new categories by himself.

Edited by Toltec - 04-Jun-2011 at 08:07
Stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?

History Planet Website
<br /
Back to Top
Baal Melqart View Drop Down
General
General
Avatar

Joined: 28-Mar-2011
Location: UK
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 869 		  Quote Baal Melqart Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jun-2011 at 08:20
Well, perhaps the research took into account the individual haplogroups common in South and North Europe respectively but decided to present the findingsin a simplified way. I mean, not everyone would understand if the data was presented in haplogroups because people want to see the bigger picture, where is this haplogroup most commonly found?
Timidi mater non flet
Back to Top
medenaywe View Drop Down
AE Moderator
AE Moderator
Avatar
Master of Meanings

Joined: 06-Nov-2010
Location: /
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 17084 		  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jun-2011 at 09:02
This i have meant looking inside different comparative tables of DNA.They are very similar with betting tickets of state lottery!What do they talk about?Bones DNA X years ago,compared with those now days?It is more probably that they compare with the moment till basic bodies of natives were already changed.Than it
was very easy new comers would be pronounced as natives,natives became foreigners!?! 
Back to Top
balochii View Drop Down
Colonel
Colonel


Joined: 23-May-2009
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 699 		  Quote balochii Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jun-2011 at 13:19
Originally posted by Toltec

I'm not saying he has an agenda. To do this he must create non-scientific categories. How does he define S and N European DNA, when they don't even exist, except by inventing whole new categories by himself.
 
He decides that by testing (haplogroups) of those individuals. This whole study can not be done with out testing hapolgroups. Haplogroups are obviously the basis of all dna study
 
This graph is basically to simplify for those who dont understand anything about haplogroups. For example he would test 50 northern european individuals and then he would compare their dna/haplogroups to the people living in south asia or else where
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.56a [Free Express Edition]
Copyright ©2001-2009 Web Wiz

This page was generated in 0.078 seconds.